Mistresses, Out of Wedlock Children, Royalty and Legitimacy

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

Since Charles is now married, is there any point carrying on this argument?

Perhaps we could get the thread back on the general topic of mistresses.

Sorry Elspeth, I just found it so hypocritical.

Yes they are married now and the issue of being mistress is no longer valid.

However, I do not think anyone is going to forget how long she was a mistress and how lucky she is not to have remained one. Not many royals marry their mistresses. Very few examples exist such as Matilde Kchessinka, Madame de Maintenon (although never acknowledged and a morganatic marriage), and Mademoiselle de Choin (she married Louis XIV's son morganatically).

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by wymanda

Lillie Le Breton Langtry - Mistress of Edward VII

as of Prince Leopold and Czar Nicholas II, too.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by wymanda

Don't talk such utter rot! Of course they did but they didn't have to put up with the press to blow it out of all proportion.

Do you think Catherine of Aragon liked having her husbands paramours flaunted in her face and having to accept them as part of her household.

Do you think Queen Alexandra had any choice other than to act graciously when her husbands various mistress's were presented at court and, in many cases were amongst the intimate circle known as the Marlborough House Set? You may recall that Edward VII was named as a corespondent in an infamous divorce case. Queen Alexandra was also publicly informed by Lord Randolph Churchill, Sir Winstons father, that her husband had written love letters to a certain lady whose husband now intended to divorce her.

I the days prior to the gutter press how much more public can you get?

what kind of language are u using??????????????????????? can't believe it...... don't u think that many ppl who used to love and still love Diana can get upset when u try to defend Camilla and Charles?

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by karla64

hi...

I did read the book or somewhere.. One of Camila's great grandma was involved with King Edward VII .. Is that right??? I forget her name Alice??? or other person???

Thank you
karla

Alice Keppel was Edward VII's lover, and she is Camilla's great- grandmother, she used this to chat Charles up the 1st time they met at a polo competition, back in 1970.

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

Alice Keppel was Edward VII's lover, and she is Camilla's great- grandmother, she used this to chat Charles up the 1st time they met at a polo competition, back in 1970.

PS- as Camilla descends from Sonia, the 2nd kid of Alice K., born in 1900, who many said was The King's child, Camilla could descend from Edward The VII, too.

[emily62_1]

Maria Fitzherbert ,who was a Catholic, and maybe the only woman George IV ever loved, became the morganatic ,secret wife of The Prince Regent.

[oskana]

is there any more modern examples besides typical Charles and Camilla?

[azile]

Originally Posted by oskana

is there any more modern examples besides typical Charles and Camilla?

I don't mean to open a can of worms here so I will tread very carefully....

I have heard (from several sources) that Prince Philip has had a number of affairs during his marriage to Queen Elizabeth II. I believe the rumours have involved French actress Helene Dordet, actresses Katie Boyle and Merle Oberon, and even Princess Alexandra of Kent.

Has anyone else heard these rumours, or have a comment?

Eliza

[Feberin]

Originally Posted by azile1710

I don't mean to open a can of worms here so I will tread very carefully....

I have heard (from several sources) that Prince Philip has had a number of affairs during his marriage to Queen Elizabeth II. I believe the rumours have involved French actress Helene Dordet, actresses Katie Boyle and Merle Oberon, and even Princess Alexandra of Kent.

Has anyone else heard these rumours, or have a comment?

Eliza

I've heard similiar things although I can't remember the source.

[Elspeth]

I think those are quite common rumours; whether they've been substantiated is another matter entirely, of course! Prince Philip's comments have been along the lines that with his police protection along at all times, it would have been impossible for him to conduct affairs. Upon which, a person is tempted to respond to the effect that it didn't seem to stop Charles, Diana, or Fergie.

[Duchess]

I just read the thread that had some postings about the possibility of an illegimate child for Margaret and Townsend.

I remember reading, not too long ago, that the Duke and Duchess of Windsor also may have had a child.

It's interesting that these stories come out and I wish the rumours could be put to rest once and for all, one way or another.

There's also a website for the man that says he's the child of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor (I'll see if I can find it) that shows resemblances of people with the same kinds of claims.

[Lady Marmalade]

I do not believe that at all about Margaret or the Windsors....The Duke had...shall we say...difficulty performing..

[tiaraprin]

The Duke and Duchess of Windsor did not have any children. The Duchess, long before she met the Duke, became pregnant and had a botched abortion. This abortion prevented her from having any more children. Even if she could have a child, the Duke did have problems "in that area".

There are many royals with several illegitimate children. William IV had 10 by Dorothy Jordan, a famous actress who supported him financially. However when his niece Charlotte died, William abandoned Dorothy to find a wife who would give him legitimate heirs to the throne. Dorothy was told if she went back to acting she would lose her children. Penniless, she had to return and lost her children. She died penniless in 1824.

Henry I sired many illegitimate children, but only 2 legitimate ones. His legitimate son, William, died in a tragic boat accident. His remaining child, Matilda, was Dowager Holy Roman Empress . Henry wished to pass the crown to Matilda but the feudal lords would not acknowledge her when Henry died and gave the crown to Henry's nephew Stephen of Blois. Stephen was the son of Henry's sister Adela. This caused a great civil war between Matilda and Stephen until a treaty was signed that Matilda's son, Henry, would be the next King. (Henry II was from Matilda's second marriage to Geoffrey, Count of Anjou).

Charles II's libido is well known and many of today's aristocrats are descended from him and his mistresses. The only woman who couldn't give him a child was his Queen, Catherine of Braganza.

[branchg]

The sons of George III, including William IV, were all pretty bad!

[Elspeth]

I've seen the website of that woman claiming to be the daughter of the Windsors. Looks like a hefty dose of imagination to me.

[popsicle]

this is the site

the site

[branchg]

Originally Posted by Elspeth

I've seen the website of that woman claiming to be the daughter of the Windsors. Looks like a hefty dose of imagination to me.

I've seen that site too. I guess it would be a miracle if the Duke and Duchess had children, especially since Wallis could not conceive after 1940 due to uterine tumors, which resulted in an operation in the U.S.

[iowabelle]

Originally Posted by Lady Marmalade

I do not believe that at all about Margaret or the Windsors....The Duke had...shall we say...difficulty performing..

I heard he was sterile due to an attack of the mumps after puberty.

[Elspeth]

Well, that makes it doubly unlikely that this woman is who she claims to be!

[azile]

Looking at the evidence this woman puts forward, the whole claim looks VERY dubious. There's not one real piece of proof this woman has to offer.

Unfortunately, there are lots of people ready to capitalize on connections - either real or manufactured- to royals.

Eliza