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Old 08-19-2005, 05:09 PM
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Marina Mowatt and Family [daughter of Princess Alexandra] News 1: August 2005-

I just got the new copies of Majesty and Royalty and noticed in one that there was a picture of Marina Mowatt with her children, and Cassius Taylor (misidentified as her nephew). Does anyone know why Marina was invited? Haven't seen her around the royals in years, except for her father's funeral. Maybe it was in recognition of the loss of her father?
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:35 PM
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She's been back in the family fold since at least 1999 when she attended Edward's wedding.
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Old 08-19-2005, 09:15 PM
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Has she been back since Edward's wedding, or was that a one-time exception? I don't remember seeing her at the Jubilee celebrations or the Queen Mother's funeral (although since I was in California at the time and watching in the middle of the night, I probably missed all sorts of stuff).
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Old 08-20-2005, 12:16 AM
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Has she been back since Edward's wedding, or was that a one-time exception? I don't remember seeing her at the Jubilee celebrations or the Queen Mother's funeral (although since I was in California at the time and watching in the middle of the night, I probably missed all sorts of stuff).
Recently, she was on the balcony for the Trooping of the Colour in June with her daughter Zenouska. Marina has not aged well, she looked quite old!
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:37 AM
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ok, would someone fill me in on who Marina is? Is she the Ogilvy daughter? Why did she have a falling out, and what is she up to these days for example? Thanks
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:43 AM
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I think she rebelled against her parents, had a baby out-of-wedlock, and her wedding dress was awful
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:54 AM
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Yes, she's the Ogilvy daughter. She had a rather spectacular falling out with her parents some years back and made the mistake of trying to get the Queen publicly involved. I think it was in the early 1990s; she was living with a boyfriend who wasn't considered suitable by her parents, and she became pregnant. She claimed that her parents had wanted her to have an abortion; she wrote a letter to the Queen asking for her to intervene, and gave or sold the contents of the letter to one of the London tabloid newspapers. In the end she married her boyfriend during her pregnancy, but it was noted by the press, if I'm remembering this right, that the Queen's permission for the marriage omitted the usual wording of "our trusty and well-beloved cousin" and just said "our cousin," which is tantamount to a very major reprimand.

She and her husband ended up having two children and divorcing seven or eight years after the marriage, and she was at one point criticised by the newspapers for living on government handouts as a single mother when she came from such a rich family. She was not included in many of the royal family get-togethers for years after her wedding, but she did show up for the Wessex wedding in 1999.

As Tiaraprin said, she's showing her age and then some these days. It's hard to believe she's actually younger than Lady Helen Taylor.
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:58 AM
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As Tiaraprin said, she's showing her age and then some these days. It's hard to believe she's actually younger than Lady Helen Taylor.
Marina is only 2 years older than I. I am no beauty, but I look younger than her!! Some people still think I am in my late 20's (bless them! )
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:02 AM
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WHy would she subject her kids to this? Here is an article I found from the mirror. scrool down to read the article.

A CLASS (ROOM) APART
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/suecarr...ame_index.html
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Thanks, Elspeth and Reina for filling in 'some blanks' on Marina! wow she certainly makes for a colorful royal!
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Old 08-20-2005, 09:21 AM
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I heard a story (I'm blanking on my source) that Princess Beatrice was close friends with Marina daughter.
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Any pixs of Marina and her children?
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Old 08-20-2005, 12:10 PM
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The picture I saw was from the Trooping of the Colour.

I also saw some photographs in Majesty or Royalty from Sir Angus Ogilvy's funeral.

I think Marina's major "sin" was talking to the media. She claimed that when she got pregnant with Zenouska, out of wedlock, her parents told her to get an abortion. Then she made her parents out to be heartless monsters who always put their duty to the Crown ahead of their duty to their own family.

Maybe age has toned her down a little and given her some perspective.
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I heard a story (I'm blanking on my source) that Princess Beatrice was close friends with Marina daughter.
I heard that too and that she lent one of her old dresses to her for trooping. Its funny I would of thought Eugenie would be closer to her as they are so close in age
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She attended the Queen Mum's funeral. There were few pix of the Kents at the Golden Jubilee, so I can't say whether she attended.
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Old 08-20-2005, 03:25 PM
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Eugenie and Zen went to school together, when they were younger, so they would problely be friends too. That article about the schools was 2 years old, I would imagine some relative came up with the money for their education. I remember Prince Charles was writing letters to their grandparents about the situtation, I think.(Charles is Marina's Godfather.)

Does anyone know what happened with that?
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:13 PM
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Ok I went to my universities research databases to look her up from which I got an article from The Times, May 16, 2003, which said that her house was not a grace-and-favor and that it was likely to be reported straight to the Treasury b/c it was like all income from the Crown Estate. Here is the link: http://www.newsint-archive.co.uk/pag...003%29%29&_P=1. It is not the whole article, but an abstract as you have to have a subscription to read the whole thing. However I was able to read the whole thing though, but it just talked about the Crown Estate.

I hope it works. So maybe someone in the royal family has brought her a more suitable place to live? Hopefully?
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:20 PM
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However the second, and last, article (The TImes_MAy 10, 2003) that came up says that she is living in state benefits and that her landlord is the Queen. She lives at Windsor Great Park. It has alot of details in it, but it basically speels out that she is indeed dependent on welfare and child support. I really don't understand why.
Oh here is the link to the summary: http://www.newsint-archive.co.uk/pag...003%29%29&_P=1
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:30 PM
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Ah! Here are more details about where she lives. This article from http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...icle221559.ece tlaks about her and PEdward and PAndrew receving 'royal housing benefits'. So apparently MArina lives in a threee bedroom cottage in Windsor Great Park. SO thankfully she and her kids live in some kind of comfort. However you can't get the whole articl ewithout paying. BU tshe stilll lives on benefits.
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Old 08-20-2005, 05:52 PM
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Ah! Here is a full article that you can read now. It is from the telegraph from May 11, 2003:
Palace 'embarrassed' by plight of Queen's cousin
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../11/nhrh11.xml
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