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Old 07-09-2020, 12:09 AM
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There may well also be the point that those further down the line of sucession were probably not that well qualified to act as CoS.
Many of those 'further down the list' had already served as CoS.

The reason I gave was given to the public at the time ... it was felt right that she remain in the list due to being the wife of the previous monarch.

At the time the CoS's were: Philip, Margaret, Henry, Mary and George Lascelles. Other than Margaret who had been added to the list in 1951 the others had been on the list for a decade or so when The Queen became The Queen. The next on the list was Gerald Lascelles who had been replaced by Margaret but himself had been on the list from 1944 to 1950.
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Old 07-09-2020, 12:11 AM
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There is a difference between a foreigner becoming Head of State - a lot of people have to die before the King of Norway (who, by the way is a British citizen ... as is the Queen of Denmark and the King of Sweden ... although not their descendants).

The law is quite clear - a CoS MUST be domiciled in the UK - what their citizenship is is irrelevant - they have to live in the UK.
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Old 07-09-2020, 01:37 AM
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There is a difference between a foreigner becoming Head of State - a lot of people have to die before the King of Norway (who, by the way is a British citizen ... as is the Queen of Denmark and the King of Sweden ... although not their descendants).
This is new to me, is the King of Norway a British citizen?
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Old 07-09-2020, 01:58 AM
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This is new to me, is the King of Norway a British citizen?
Any descendant of the Electress Sophia born before 1948 is automatically a British citizen under the Sophia Naturalisation Act.

In the 1950s the father of Prince Ernest of Hanover wanted to do something in Britain and was told he couldn't as he wasn't a British citizen. He argued - that as a descendant of Sophia he was. He took it to court and won. The government then changed the law restricting the British citizenship to those born before 1948 (had this been remembered in 1947 Prince Philip wouldn't have had to renounce his Greek and Danish citizenship as he was born a British citizen).

That is why the current Kings of Norway and Sweden and the Queen of Denmark are British citizens but their children aren't - they were all born before 1948 and are all descended from Sophia.

The King of Norway is the first foreigner in the line of succession being descended from Edward VII's youngest daughter.
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Old 07-09-2020, 02:22 AM
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Any descendant of the Electress Sophia born before 1948 is automatically a British citizen under the Sophia Naturalisation Act.

In the 1950s the father of Prince Ernest of Hanover wanted to do something in Britain and was told he couldn't as he wasn't a British citizen. He argued - that as a descendant of Sophia he was. He took it to court and won. The government then changed the law restricting the British citizenship to those born before 1948 (had this been remembered in 1947 Prince Philip wouldn't have had to renounce his Greek and Danish citizenship as he was born a British citizen).

That is why the current Kings of Norway and Sweden and the Queen of Denmark are British citizens but their children aren't - they were all born before 1948 and are all descended from Sophia.

The King of Norway is the first foreigner in the line of succession being descended from Edward VII's youngest daughter.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing.
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Old 07-09-2020, 09:53 AM
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But domiciled for how long? A month , a year?
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:07 AM
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That isn't clear ... it could be as little as a month but I would think that logically it should be at least half the year. I would assume that the primary country of residence has to be the UK but so far it hasn't come up as all the CoSs since 1937 have resided in the UK. Harry's decision has raised a wrinkle that will have to be considered if it turns out that he isn't spending at least half his time in the UK.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:17 AM
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Well it certainly is a wrinkle.

It's a good opportunity to revise the criteria. Only full time residents should be eligible. I'm sure everyone would see the fairness in that.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:21 AM
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"Domicile" is distinct from "residence".

RDRM20010 - Residence, Domicile and Remittance Basis Manual - HMRC internal manual - GOV.UK

It is possible to be resident in one country for decades, but remain domiciled in another country.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:51 AM
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"Domicile" is distinct from "residence".

RDRM20010 - Residence, Domicile and Remittance Basis Manual - HMRC internal manual - GOV.UK

It is possible to be resident in one country for decades, but remain domiciled in another country.
Thank for that, I was uncertain.

Clearly there is need for reform. Even if we keep what I think is a flawed system, only citizens who are full time residents should be eligible.

Maybe reform is already in the pipeline.
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