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Old 01-21-2018, 11:18 PM
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Does anyone know who Charles' Lord Great Chamberlain is likely to be? There are 13 potential candidates amongst the decendents of the 1st Marquess of Lincolnshire.

The shares those people hold range from 1/20 (Nicholas Llewellen Palmer, Rufus Keppel, and Harry Legge-Bourke) to 1/100 (the various descendents of Ruperta Legge).
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Old 05-12-2018, 03:08 PM
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The coronation of George VI and Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon as King and Queen of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Commonwealth and as Emperor and Empress of India took place at Westminster Abbey, London, on 12 May 1937.

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In 1727, George Frideric Handel was commissioned to write four coronation anthems for King George II. One of these anthems, Zadok the Priest, has been performed at every British coronation since.

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Old 05-12-2018, 04:00 PM
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Does anyone know who Charles' Lord Great Chamberlain is likely to be? There are 13 potential candidates amongst the decendents of the 1st Marquess of Lincolnshire.

The shares those people hold range from 1/20 (Nicholas Llewellen Palmer, Rufus Keppel, and Harry Legge-Bourke) to 1/100 (the various descendents of Ruperta Legge).
As the earl of Dartmouth fulfilled the position for his wife the Countess of Darthmouth, I'd say that line is the least likely. My guess would be the 10th Earl of Albemarle (Rufus Keppel) as he has been in office for the longest time among the three that have a share of 5%. A case could also be build for Nicholas Llewen Palmer as the most senior line (among the 5%) or for The Hon. Lorraine Wilson as the most senior line overall (but only a share of 1.25% and female, which would be a novelty)
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As the earl of Dartmouth fulfilled the position for his wife the Countess of Darthmouth, I'd say that line is the least likely. My guess would be the 10th Earl of Albemarle (Rufus Keppel) as he has been in office for the longest time among the three that have a share of 5%. A case could also be build for Nicholas Llewen Palmer as the most senior line (among the 5%) or for The Hon. Lorraine Wilson as the most senior line overall (but only a share of 1.25% and female, which would be a novelty)

It would be great to have a female as Lord Chamberlain. Why not ?
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Old 05-12-2018, 04:16 PM
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Who would be the one to decide? The family or Charles or some other official?

And if Charles, is he friends with either one of them?
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Old 06-02-2018, 05:22 PM
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Prince Michael of Kent and his memories from the coronation of the Queen on 2 June in 1953

Prince Michael of Kent recalls Queen Elizabeth's coronation 65 years ago | Daily Mail Online
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Old 06-02-2018, 05:53 PM
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Prince Michael of Kent and his memories from the coronation of the Queen on 2 June in 1953

Prince Michael of Kent recalls Queen Elizabeth's coronation 65 years ago | Daily Mail Online
I will watch the program. Thanks for the link.
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Old 06-02-2018, 08:03 PM
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The Lord Great Chamberlain is an hereditary position and is current held by the 7th Marquis of Cholmondeley. That wouldn't change when Charles becomes King

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Great_Chamberlain
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The beautiful thing about the future Coronations will be the fact that lots of diversity will be incorporated throughout the Coronation. Looking at the documentary today, one can see such a major lack of diversity in the 1953 event. People of color couldn’t see any reflection of themselves in such an occasion.
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The complete religious ceremony inside the Abbey in 1953!


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Old 08-01-2018, 03:18 PM
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The beautiful thing about the future Coronations will be the fact that lots of diversity will be incorporated throughout the Coronation. Looking at the documentary today, one can see such a major lack of diversity in the 1953 event. People of color couldn’t see any reflection of themselves in such an occasion.
This comment made me sad that anyone would feel left out of any important occasion in history just because they are a different race and color.....people that are involved in something like this should be there only if they can contribute to the occasion not because they are of a different race/color.

Race/color should have nothing to do with any event in history/life, it is for the people that are involved that is important......putting someone there who is not needed or can not contribute shows a lack of understanding to the very person who is put there for no other reason then race/color......

So should a person of each race/color on earth be put in all events just so that everyone feels welcome........
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So should a person of each race/color on earth be put in all events just so that everyone feels welcome........
Of course not. But you can't tell me people of other races didn't have the capacity to achieve a right to be part of such historic event. And in the past, they were prevented from achieving their full potential. THAT's what is significant.
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:31 PM
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For the coronation of King Charles, ‘people of colour’ won’t play a part either. All the major players are white , which should come as no surprise.
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:31 PM
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This comment made me sad that anyone would feel left out of any important occasion in history just because they are a different race and color.....people that are involved in something like this should be there only if they can contribute to the occasion not because they are of a different race/color.

Race/color should have nothing to do with any event in history/life, it is for the people that are involved that is important......putting someone there who is not needed or can not contribute shows a lack of understanding to the very person who is put there for no other reason then race/color......

So should a person of each race/color on earth be put in all events just so that everyone feels welcome........
Many people of different ethnic backgrounds can contribute to such a grand and beautiful occasion.

1953 was a different time and era. Future Coronations will reflect the beauty of a very diverse nation and Commonwealth. A different world will be watching and will be able to see themselves reflected in the Coronation.


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For the coronation of King Charles, ‘people of colour’ won’t play a part either. All the major players are white , which should come as no surprise.
The King’s daughter-in-law (who’s a woman of color) will be front and center to watch the crowning. Folks should want diversity incorporated into these Coronations.
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:36 PM
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For the coronation of King Charles, ‘people of colour’ won’t play a part either. All the major players are white , which should come as no surprise.
Within the Anglican church, that is not the case. (There will be female clergy taking part also as there are now female bishops)

I think we will find that because HoL is not based on hereditary peerages any more, representatives could be "people of colour".

And as Charles wants other religions represented as part of the service, the same could apply there.
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Old 08-01-2018, 03:46 PM
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Folks should want diversity incorporated into these Coronations.
I understand you’re a person of colour, but I fail to understand why folks ‘should want diversity’ in the coronation.

Last time I checked black people amounted to about 7% of the British population.
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So, SO busy telling us what we 'should' want [for our most Sacred National Rite].. I cant recall us telling you anything of the sort since 1776..
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Of course not. But you can't tell me people of other races didn't have the capacity to achieve a right to be part of such historic event. And in the past, they were prevented from achieving their full potential. THAT's what is significant.
I *did not* say that anyone didn't or doesn't have the capacity to achieve a right to be part of any historic event.......if anyone today can achieve whatever it takes to be part of any historic event then so be it.......the past is just that, *the past* and today is a very different time for all of us.....all colors, all races and all sexes.
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All arguments aside on the "diversity" in the coronation ceremony between 1953 and the upcoming coronation of Charles, what it does show me is just how far we've come in that time and also points out how far we still need to go.

I'll be happy when there's no need any longer to point out "diversity" and label people such as "people of color" or by anything else. When people just see people as other people sharing their earth, it will be a dream come true for me.

Perhaps not in my lifetime but one can dream.
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[QUOTE=Rudolph;2138661]I understand you’re a person of colour, but I fail to understand why folks ‘should want diversity’ in the coronation.

[B]Last time I checked black people amounted to about 7% of the British population.[/B[/]QUOTE]

That comment right there in BOLD has absolutely nothing to do with who is in the coronation at all....it does not matter about the percentages of the population nor how many are black, white, yellow or any other color, again the main thing is that *everyone in the coronation has a place where they contribute to the event, it does not matter about color at all*, bring color into it shows racism to a high degree and that really bugs the hell out of me.....I know racism to a 100th degree, I experienced it so that shows me that some are still hung up on color today.....when are we going to just judge people for their actions, their behavior, their kindness, their compassion in life instead of looking at color.......time we get over color in this world.....Charles will do as King Charles wants for his coronation and not what the color of the people want nor the percentages either......and it will be glorious and spiritually awakening for all the people.
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