British Royal Family Engagements 2018

[Iluvbertie]

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

[Osipi]

What you do here, Iluvbertie, is something that is unique to TRF and its a huge advantage for us that really do enjoy and pay attention to the painstaking work you do each week to bring us a concise accounting of what the British Royal Family does.

Just remember that if anyone has a problem with it, its *their* problem and nasty PMs are easily solved with the one good word called "delete". Those PMS aren't a reflection on you at all but on the persons writing them.

[royal rob]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

Oh I’m so sorry you have had that happen. I hope they now know how rude they have been and send a apology

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

Your copious hours of laboring over the engagements on our behalf is something for which I should express my gratitude. I fully agree with what Osipi said.

[Missjersey]

I second all the positive thoughts Iluvbertie, you do a damn good job for all of us to benefit from your labor of love. The only thing you should be hearing at the very least is "thank you". I doff my hat in gratitude,

[gagates]

@iluvbertie doing these charts is really impressive to me, i would get so lost in them, thanks!

[Princess Larisa]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

I hope this post wasn’t referring to the short thank you message I sent. I was just trying to be short and concise, not offensive in any way and I hope this wasn’t how it came across. Perhaps I missed a nuance in a foreign language, if so I apologise. I really appreciate everything you do and I know it’s a lot of work.

[royal-blue]

Originally Posted by Osipi

What you do here, Iluvbertie, is something that is unique to TRF and its a huge advantage for us that really do enjoy and pay attention to the painstaking work you do each week to bring us a concise accounting of what the British Royal Family does.

Just remember that if anyone has a problem with it, its *their* problem and nasty PMs are easily solved with the one good word called "delete". Those PMS aren't a reflection on you at all but on the persons writing them.

Completely agree with you :)

[Iluvbertie]

Originally Posted by Princess Larisa

I hope this post wasn’t referring to the short thank you message I sent. I was just trying to be short and concise, not offensive in any way and I hope this wasn’t how it came across. Perhaps I missed a nuance in a foreign language, if so I apologise. I really appreciate everything you do and I know it’s a lot of work.

No way. I didn't even see your Thank You until after I had made this post.

I received a couple of rude PMs yesterday and have received a few others over the last couple of months questioning my sanity for wanting to do this.

For those who don't know:

In late 2011 my father died and I was very, very close to him. I went into a very bad depression, even worse than when my mother died. My family tried but just couldn't help me. My psychiatrist said I needed a new hobby as my previous hobbies weren't helping (and arthritis wasn't helping as I love doing tapestry and knitting but my fingers make this hard). 2012 was Jubilee Year and at the end of 2011 I remembered reading Tim O'Donovan's figures for 2011 I decided to keep my own record for 2012. Part way through the year I let on here that I was doing so and agreed to share my figures with the group. As the years have gone on I have done more and more - now out of enjoyment as much as therapy.

Some time later - in 2014 - I was also diagnosed as high functioning autistic - which explains why, at times, I can be quite picky about the littlest thing.

Sorry if this seems a bit personal but I thought by explaining a bit more about myself to explain why I enjoy doing this and sharing it with people here but also why I may react or even overreact at times.

[Princess Larisa]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

No way. I didn't even see your Thank You until after I had made this post.

I received a couple of rude PMs yesterday and have received a few others over the last couple of months questioning my sanity for wanting to do this.

Eh, I think those of us who have ‘’weird’’ hobbies have to accept that not many people will understand them and just ignore these comments. Some people are just rude and should get a . There’s a lot of us who appreciate what you do, even when we don’t say it, so don’t let a few bad apples spoil something you like doing.

For example, no one in real life shares my royal hobby, most of them don’t even know which European countries have royal families. Which is why I really appreciate this board where I can share my interest with like-minded people.

[Osipi]

Sometimes going outside of oneself is a path into finding oneself. Can't remember who said that. Buddha maybe? The point is that because of a hobby and sharing it with a global community, I think you've found a whole bunch of people that appreciate you, admire you and value your knowledge and feel a kinship with you through your posts and your dedication to making The Royal Forums what it is, a royal archive of a wealth of information.

Heck. You're better and more precise than Tim O'Donovan. Since I joined here in 2008, its been your posts and your wisdom and patience with all the mistakes I've made in learning things that qualifies you in my mind as my Royal Mentor of sorts.

Sometimes pointing out and dealing with the ugly, you find the beautiful that can come out of it. Keep calm and carry on. You're appreciated.

[M. Payton]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

Iluvbertie:
Why in hell would anyone do that to you? What you do takes lots of dedication, effort and time on your part to inform us here what the BRF has done. That is loyalty and love to us here......I am so sorry that this happened to you, I truly am. There are meanies everywhere in this world and from all my life's experiences just hold your head very high, and walk on by for they are not worth your time. Just know that you have my support for I read what you comment here and I so admire all the education and work that you do.......leave them in the dust under your feet.

[dgtns]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

Thank you, thank you.
I appreciate your work and want you to know I am very sympathetic and appreciate your efforts. Well done.

[Elly C]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

May I ask people who wish to point out an error to do so in a polite manner rather than a nasty one.

I have had a few such PM's and it is rather hurtful. I do this as a labour of love to share with all of you but when someone then sends a PM about something I have missed and does so in a nasty tone it makes me question whether it is worth it.

I have had a few nasty PM about this - people questioning my sanity for wanting to do this at all so please if you wish to point something out please be polite or don't do it at all.

How unpleasant for you. I'd like to echo what others have said before. Thank you for undertaking this labour of love - it's much appreciated by so many of us here.

[Iluvbertie]

Weekly Update to 19th April, 2018

Due to CHOGM this was quite a busy week overall. It should be remembered that most of Edward’s engagements, however, were in Australia. He had a busy week including landing back in the UK and then going to the dinner that evening.

The CC described the evening event as a ‘dinner’, not a ‘gala dinner’ which has been used in the past at times.

This week does see three new royals enter the ‘official engagements for the year’ list – Eugenie, Michael and Marie-Christine. Despite how often we have seen Meghan she still hasn’t appeared in the CC. She will start to appear on the 19th May, of course. Her columns are already set up in my Excel spreadsheet (as has Jack’s but I don’t expect to see him in the CC other than for his wedding).

I found it interesting that Tim didn’t attend the dinner.

Total Engagements with Individual Percentage of Total

HM The Queen – 86 (78 – up 8 – 7.9%)
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 3 (3 – no change – 0.3%)
HRH The Prince of Wales – 171 (156 – up 15 – 15.8%)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall – 55 (50 – up 5 – 5.1%)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge – 73 (62 – up 11 – 6.7%)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge – 49 (49 – no change – 4.5%)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales – 46 (35 – up 11 – 4.2%)
HRH The Duke of York – 86 (68 – up 18 – 7.9%)
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 2 (1 – up 1 – 0.2%)
HRH Princess Eugenie of York – 1 (0.1%)
HRH The Earl of Wessex – 150 (129 – up 21 – 13.6%)
HRH The Countess of Wessex – 77 (71 – up 6 – 7.1%)
HRH The Princess Royal – 143 (130 – up 13 – 13.2%)
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence – 9 (9 – up 1 – 0.8%)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester – 45 (43 – up 2 – 4.2%)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester – 29 (27 – up 2 – 2.7%)
HRH The Duke of Kent – 39 (36 – up 3 – 3.6%)
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 1 (0.1%)
HRH Princess Michael of Kent – 2 (0.2%)
HRH Princess Alexandra – 16 (12 – up 4 – 1.5%)

The League Table

HRH The Prince of Wales – 171
HRH The Earl of Wessex – 150
HRH The Princess Royal – 143
HM The Queen – 86
HRH The Duke of York – 86
HRH The Countess of Wessex – 77
HRH The Duke of Cambridge – 73
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall – 55
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge – 49
HRH Prince Henry of Wales – 46
HRH The Duke of Gloucester – 45
HRH The Duke of Kent – 39
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester – 29
HRH Princess Alexandra – 16
Vice-Admiral Timothy Laurence – 9
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 3
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 2
HRH Princess Michael of Kent – 2
HRH Princess Eugenie of York – 1
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 1

Year to Date Total – 1083 (959 – up 124)

Percentage of Engagements

90s (Elizabeth, Philip) – 8.2%
80s (Edward Kent, Alexandra) – 5.1%
70s (Camilla, Richard, Birgitte, Michael, Marie-Christine) – 12.2%
60s (Charles, Anne, Tim) – 29.8%
50s (Andrew, Edward, Sophie) – 28.9%
30s (William, Kate, Harry) – 15.5%
20s (Beatrice, Eugenie) – 0.3%
Over Retirement Age (65) (All the 60s upwards) – 54.5%

Number of Days on which a royal undertook Official Engagements to 19th April, 2018

HM The Queen – 36
HRH The Duke of Edinburgh – 3
HRH The Prince of Wales – 49
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall – 29
HRH The Duke of Cambridge – 36
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge – 24
HRH Prince Henry of Wales – 31
HRH The Duke of York – 33
HRH Princess Beatrice of York – 2
HRH Princess Eugenie of York – 1
HRH The Earl of Wessex – 52
HRH The Countess of Wessex – 29
HRH The Princess Royal – 59
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence – 9
HRH The Duke of Gloucester – 23
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester – 23
HRH The Duke of Kent – 24
HRH Prince Michael of Kent – 1
HRH Princess Michael of Kent – 2
HRH Princess Alexandra – 13

Types of Engagements to 19th April, 2018

These are the total number of these types of engagements for the year – not how many were done in the last week.

Audience – 32
Awards Ceremony – 13
Called Upon – 10
Closed – 1
Commonwealth Games – 8
Conference – 13
Dinner – 109
Discussion – 8
Forum – 9
Lunch – 39
Meeting – 83
Opened – 59
Opening – 12 (I put all those who attended the opening of CHOGM other than HM and Charles here while they are under Opened because the CC said the HM, accompanied by The Prince of Wales, Opened … while the others were listed as ‘were present’)
Parade – 4
Pitch @ Palace – 8
Received – 156
Reception – 110
Summit – 3
Unveiled – 3
Visit – 266
Visited by – 2
Was Called Upon – 11

Patronages that were Supported via an Official Engagement to 19th April, 2018

A note here - if a royal is a patron, president or honorary colonel etc their attendance will be recorded here. If they are then accompanied by someone else who does not hold any official position their attendance is recorded in the list below so William's attendance at the St Patrick's Day parade is recorded here as the Honorary Colonel while Kate's is recorded in the next list.

100 Women in Finance – 3
Ben — Motor and Allied Trades Benevolent Fund – 1
Commonwealth Games Federation – 9
Company of Patternmakers – 1
Duke of Edinburgh's International Award Foundation - 59
Honorary Military – 44
Inspiring Digital Enterprise Award – 2
Malaria No More UK – 2
Pitch @ Palace – 19
Queen Elizabeth Diamond Jubilee Trust – 1
Royal Society – 1
Save the Children UK – 5
Scar Free Foundation – 1
Society of Merchant Venturers – 2
The Princes’ Trust Group – 3
Women's Network Forum – 2
Woolf Institute Fundraising Appeal – 1

Organisations that were Supported via an Official Engagement to 19th April, 2018

These organisations were supported by a royal who had no official connection to the organization. They aren’t the patron, president, honorary member etc. The royal for whom there is an entry here may have accompanied a royal who is the patron, president etc

Adelaide Town Hall (Australia) – 1
Adelaide Zoo (Australia) – 2
Boathouse Restaurant and Shop in Glencaple – 1
Brisbane Grammar School (Australia) – 1
CHOGM – 30 (These are the events on Thursday only – the opening, reception and dinner and not any of the other events)
Commonwealth Big Lunch – 2
Commonwealth Business, People's, Women's and Youth Forums – 7
Commonwealth Walkway Panel – 1
Farmland Museum, Denny Abbey – 1
Helford Children’s Sailing Trust – 1
Hoops 4 Life Basketball (Australia) – 1
Joint Commonwealth Heads of Government Forum – 1
Lynwood Retirement Village – 1
Magill Estate (Australia) – 1
Malaria No More UK - 1
National Crimebeat – 1
Prince Alfred College (Australia) – 1
Science Museum, Exhibition Road – 1
Seppeltsfield Winery (Australia) – 1
Twelve25 Salisbury Youth Enterprise Centre (Australia) – 1
Vote 100 Women in Business Summit – 1
Welcome to the United Kingdom Reception – 1
Weston College’s South West Skills Campus – 1
Women's Empowerment – 1
Worshipful Company of Clothworkers – 1

Overseas Engagements to 19th April, 2018

Total – 245 (125 – up 20)

HRH The Prince of Wales – 33 (33 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall – 12 (12 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Cambridge – 21 (21 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge – 21 (21 – no change)
HRH Prince Henry of Wales – 3 (3 – no change)
HRH The Duke of York – 11 (11 – no change)
HRH The Earl of Wessex – 75 (55 – up 20)
HRH The Countess of Wessex – 29 (29 – no change)
HRH The Princess Royal – 16 (16 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Gloucester – 13 (13 – no change)
HRH The Duchess of Gloucester –5 (5 – no change)
HRH The Duke of Kent – 6 (6 – no change)

Countries Where Royals Have Undertaken Engagements to 19th April, 2018

Australia (HRH The Prince of Wales, HRH The Duchess of Cornwall and HRH The Earl of Wessex)
Bahrain (HRH The Duke of York)
Botswana (HRH Prince Henry of Wales)
Cyprus (HRH The Duke of Kent)
India (HRH The Earl of Wessex)
Malawi (HRH The Duke of Gloucester)
Malta (HRH The Countess of Wessex)
Norway (TRH The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge)
South Africa (HRH Prince Henry of Wales and HRH The Duke of Gloucester)
South Korea (HRH The Princess Royal)
Spain (HRH The Duchess of Gloucester)
Sri Lanka (TRH The Earl and Countess of Wessex)
Sweden (TRH The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge)

Royal Palaces where Events Occurred to 19th April, 2018

NB This is a count of number of engagements not number of royals who attended an engagement at the palace so an engagement where 2 or more royals attended the same event is counted here as one engagement at that venue.

Buckingham Palace (other than HM) – 124
Buckingham Palace (Her Majesty) – 54
Windsor Castle – 11
St James Palace – 17
Clarence House – 55
Kensington Palace – 35
Holyrood House – 2
Sandringham House – 13
Marlborough House – 1
Dumfries House – 12
Edinburgh Castle – 1

Royals who have Official Meetings with Politicians to 19th April 2018

This week there were many such engagements as most of the visiting Commonwealth Heads of Government were seen by at least one royal. To 19th April no one had seen the PM of Australia but as he will be in Europe for another 10 days or so and has only recently meet with the PoW maybe they won’t be bothering with him or he will be seen after the actual CHOGM.

HM The Queen – 22
HRH The Prince of Wales– 20 (9 overseas)
HRH The Duchess of Cornwall – 4
HRH The Duke of Cambridge – 9
HRH The Duchess of Cambridge – 2
HRH Prince Henry of Wales – 6
HRH The Duke of York – 15 (3 overseas)
HRH The Earl of Wessex – 7 (6 overseas)
HRH The Countess of Wessex – 1
HRH The Princess Royal – 5
Vice-Admiral Tim Laurence – 1
HRH The Duke of Gloucester – 3

[jacqui24]

They get CC credit for the wedding? Even private wedding?

[Iluvbertie]

This isn't a 'private wedding' though. A 'private wedding' doesn't get TV coverage etc.

Zara's wedding was a private wedding with no mention in the CC.

William - along with his uncles and aunt's wedding were public weddings and so were in the CC.

I expect Harry's wedding to also be in the CC. If not then Meghan will appear sometime afterwards but as she will be becoming an HRH and a Princess of the UK on her wedding day I would expect that it will be in the CC.

I doubt that Eugenie's will be though - as she isn't a working royal, is so far down the line of succession etc etc.

Harry is the child of the future King and as such his wedding would be an official event.

[royal-blue]

Obviously none of the Cambridge children will be carrying out royal duties for well over 20 years, but is there likely to be enough royal engagements for them to do? By this time, the number of working royals is likely to fall significantly, so three new young royals could mean a sudden increase in the royal workload, which may not be needed or even welcomed at that time.

[Curryong]

But we don't know whether Charlotte, the new sibling and any more that might come along would necessarily want to go into public life after university, do we? By the time William is on the throne there may well be a Dutch-style system in place, in which only the heir and (eventually) his spouse undertake public engagements. The younger siblings may have careers outside Royal life.

[royal-blue]

As much as I live the royal family, to any other ordinary person who doesn't fully understand how they are financed, the BRF does seem to be expanding continuously!