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Old 12-30-2013, 07:08 AM
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Re: St. Mary Magdalene Church

Has anyone ever visited? How large is it - how big a congregation can it hold?

Parish Church of St Mary Magdalene, Sandringham | Sandringham Estate
Here's some additional information on the church

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From this lovely photo the church appears to be quite close to Sandringham house.

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Old 12-30-2013, 07:29 AM
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What method of transportation do each members of the RF use to get to and from Sandringham?

I know the Queen & Phillip came on the train. Do they go back on the train?

From Sandringham to Raymill is a 4 hour drive about 220 miles.
From Sandringham to Buckleburry is about 157 miles which takes about 3 hours and fifteen minute drive. (per google)

That seems like a long drive especially with no stops.
I think they normally all drive to Sandringham, as I remember one year Lady Sarah and her family were seen leaving by their Land Rover with lots of presents in the boot.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:56 AM
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There are a few issues involved here.

1. The Queen has just delivered a Christmas Message in which she reminded us of the pledge of lifetime duty to her subjects which she made 60 years ago.
2. As part of that duty over the years, the Queen has made a habit of walkabouts among her subjects and receiving bunches of flowers from them. Now, I think that receiving of bunches of flowers businiess was a strange habit to encourage, because no secret is made of the fact she doesn't keep them, but it is now traditional for people to give them to her and for children, particularly, to do so, no doubt encouraged by their parents.
3. When the Queen does the same thing at the same place year in, year out, it's not unreasonable for her subjects to expect her to keep doing that thing.
4. The Queen is getting on and it's reasonable for her to change her habits and with her advancing age it's likely that there will be sudden changes to her plans due to her suddenly becoming tired or not feeling well, etc., but when one of these traditions involving the all-important connection between monarch and subjects is to be varied, the public needs to be given notice of it or, where notice is not possible, at least be given a good explanation because often they will have spent a lot of time in uncomfortable conditions getting ready for and travelling to and waiting at the venue. The statement that Her Majesty didn't want to be late for lunch, whether true or not, is NOT a good explanation, and her PR people should have been better prepared.
I agree with all of this, if the Palace had simply said in advance that she wasn't going to collect flowers then, yes there would hve been a fuss about it but not in the same way ('my poor child stood in the cold for hours while the queen drove by so she wouldn't b late for lunch') I wouldn't care at all if the Queen after so many years of hrd work said I'm never going to collect another bunch of flowers again but there is a way for the palace to manage public expections and on this occasion they failed in a BIG way.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:39 AM
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you can see the church inside from 5:10

Ion the video is Princes Anne wearing the same outfit she wore on Sunday? The hat looks the same
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:42 PM
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Ion the video is Princes Anne wearing the same outfit she wore on Sunday? The hat looks the same
i think, yes, she is
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:23 PM
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I like seeing the royals arrive at the house on 2:22 because it shows you where the royals are walking when they go and come from the house on Christmas and church. It also shows you the room where they gather in Sandringham.
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Oh, boo hoo! People who chose to drive a long way are disappointed because an 87-year-old woman was in a rush to get home on a cold day, and therefore HM has completely violated a promise made when she was 21?

And, yes, she could easily have needed the loo, despite being 'trained' to go before church. Most-dare I say ALL- women of a certain age or a lot older occasionally experience urgency. I wouldn't have wanted my 87-year-old mother to be criticized because she needed to get out of the cold in a hurry.

The Queen has been dutiful for so many years, and now all of a sudden the monarchy is at stake? It's hard to believe that people who have always supported and admired the Queen are going to go off on her at this stage of the game.

I think that people who are at heart republicans are projecting.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:16 PM
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Oh, boo hoo! People who chose to drive a long way are disappointed because an 87-year-old woman was in a rush to get home on a cold day, and therefore HM has completely violated a promise made when she was 21?

And, yes, she could easily have needed the loo, despite being 'trained' to go before church. Most-dare I say ALL- women of a certain age or a lot older occasionally experience urgency. I wouldn't have wanted my 87-year-old mother to be criticized because she needed to get out of the cold in a hurry.

The Queen has been dutiful for so many years, and now all of a sudden the monarchy is at stake? It's hard to believe that people who have always supported and admired the Queen are going to go off on her at this stage of the game.

I think that people who are at heart republicans are projecting.
I totally agree with everything you said but I especially like the part that I have bolded.

Whether or not the Queen was tired, missed lunch the previous day, need to go to the restoom, the PR person spoke out of turn, the little boy was understandbly disappointed, Or WHATEVER at the end of the day...stuff happens. Sometimes things don't go as planned and we are disappointed. But you pick yourself up, dust yourself off and you move on.

If the British monarchy can withstand the English War of the Roses, the English Reformation, the Civil War, the Abdication Crisis and the War of the Walses, surely it can weather this storm.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:36 PM
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i agree wholeheartedly with Ladonglas and Zonk. And RichardPalmer oftheExpress made an important comment, that the Queen wasnt on a public engagement, but in a public place in an act of private worship. People needtoget a grip. The "she must do less, and the others do more" brigade, led by the DM, are now saying she must do what we want regardless of her age.

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Old 12-30-2013, 03:42 PM
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Oh my goodness... tempest in a tea pot. She did not stop to collect flowers. Force her to abdicate. Jeez louise..the media makes the biggest deal of nothing at all.

I wonder you would all feel at Christmas when you walked to church and about 2,000 or so people lined up to stare and comment and push camera phones, etc in your face as though you were some animal in a zoo... commenting and criticizing your outfits, hats, hair, makeup, and shoes...
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:09 PM
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Oh my goodness... tempest in a tea pot. She did not stop to collect flowers. Force her to abdicate. Jeez louise..the media makes the biggest deal of nothing at all.

I wonder you would all feel at Christmas when you walked to church and about 2,000 or so people lined up to stare and comment and push camera phones, etc in your face as though you were some animal in a zoo... commenting and criticizing your outfits, hats, hair, makeup, and shoes...
I'd absolutely hate it, but I'm not Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She is a woman who has spent more than 60 years doing this very sort of thing and heretofore she's given every indication she enjoyed doing it. It's her life. It's part of the price she pays for that position of great privilege, and one of the ways of keeping public support. She made a point of vowing to do her duty it for the rest of her life. Frankly I have always thought it was naive and foolish of her to make that public vow, but when you're in your 20s you do things like that because you cannot imaging what it is like to be in your 80s and getting tired of it all. But the point is she is the monarch and it comes with the territory.

Her choices are not limited to the extremes of either continuing to do everything as she has in the past, or abdicating. At her age it's unreasonable to expect her to keep up the pace, but if she's going to deviate from what she's done for decades she should give notice of these plans. Everyone would understand if given notice.

As for the argument that it wasn't a public engagement, in my opinion in some ways that makes it worse. It was one of those things she has always done where she is able to privately connect with some of her subjects. And at a time of year when there is a focus on tradition and family and the symbiotic relationship between monarch and subject. So for her to, for whatever reason, not stop and collect those flowers has a symbolic significance which makes it a big deal. "I might have done it for years but that was because it suited me. It doesn't suit me today so I'm not going to do it. I'm the Queen and what I want is more important than what you want. And your little boy isn't important to me today. I've got a new great-grandson who is going to be future king. He's important, as I've just told you. Didn't you watch my speech?"
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:25 PM
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I'd absolutely hate it, but I'm not Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She is a woman who has spent more than 60 years doing this very sort of thing and heretofore she's given every indication she enjoyed doing it. It's her life. It's part of the price she pays for that position of great privilege, and one of the ways of keeping public support. She made a point of vowing to do her duty it for the rest of her life. Frankly I have always thought it was naive and foolish of her to make that public vow, but when you're in your 20s you do things like that because you cannot imaging what it is like to be in your 80s and getting tired of it all. But the point is she is the monarch and it comes with the territory.

Her choices are not limited to the extremes of either continuing to do everything as she has in the past, or abdicating. At her age it's unreasonable to expect her to keep up the pace, but if she's going to deviate from what she's done for decades she should give notice of these plans. Everyone would understand if given notice.
How much notice would have been sufficient? Sometimes you just can't give notice. What if she had been feeling ill but decided to go to church anyway and had planned on accepting flowers but at the last minute didn't feel up to it?

We, of course, don't know why she didn't accept the flowers but in the scheme in things, I think for some (not pointing a finger at you) there is no acceptable reason on why she did not. She is the Queen, she lives a life of privilege and she should be ready whenever and however the public wants to see her. Anything less is unacceptable, at least that what the DM readership, seem to think.
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:27 PM
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I'd absolutely hate it, but I'm not Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. She is a woman who has spent more than 60 years doing this very sort of thing and heretofore she's given every indication she enjoyed doing it. It's her life. It's part of the price she pays for that position of great privilege, and one of the ways of keeping public support. She made a point of vowing to do her duty it for the rest of her life. Frankly I have always thought it was naive and foolish of her to make that public vow, but when you're in your 20s you do things like that because you cannot imaging what it is like to be in your 80s and getting tired of it all. But the point is she is the monarch and it comes with the territory.

Her choices are not limited to the extremes of either continuing to do everything as she has in the past, or abdicating. At her age it's unreasonable to expect her to keep up the pace, but if she's going to deviate from what she's done for decades she should give notice of these plans. Everyone would understand if given notice.

As for the argument that it wasn't a public engagement, in my opinion in some ways that makes it worse. It was one of those things she has always done where she is able to privately connect with some of her subjects. And at a time of year when there is a focus on tradition and family and the symbiotic relationship between monarch and subject. So for her to, for whatever reason, not stop and collect those flowers has a symbolic significance which makes it a big deal. "I might have done it for years but that was because it suited me. It doesn't suit me today so I'm not going to do it. I'm the Queen and what I want is more important than what you want. And your little boy isn't important to me today. I've got a new great-grandson who is going to be future king. He's important, as I've just told you. Didn't you watch my speech?"
So funny. As a piece of fiction that last piece is amazing.
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:34 PM
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How much notice would have been sufficient? Sometimes you just can't give notice. What if she had been feeling ill but decided to go to church anyway and had planned on accepting flowers but at the last minute didn't feel up to it?

We, of course, don't know why she didn't accept the flowers but in the scheme in things, I think for some (not pointing a finger at you) there is no acceptable reason on why she did not. She is the Queen, she lives a life of privilege and she should be ready whenever and however the public wants to see her. Anything less is unacceptable, at least that what the DM readership, seem to think.
When I speak of notice I am speaking of advance notice. Of course things can change on the day. My problem in this specific instance is the lack of any reason at all. There could have been a most reasonable explanation. What I am saying is one should have been given. The only one we have is the absurd one that she didn't want to be late for dinner.
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So funny. As a piece of fiction that last piece is amazing.
So glad I've entertained you.
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Wow! What an ugly b**** fest. I cannot believe the "entitled" attitude of some of these posts. HM went to church and for whatever reason, did not linger thereafter as is her most usual behaviour.

Now me, I would have been thinking "darn, I missed seeing her close up but gee, I hope she's OK" but not these people. Oh no, it's a long slow whine about how "she done them wrong". Oh grow up and get a life. The poor woman has given her all for her subjects and has been praised and castigated for her behaviour for her entire reign.

At 87 (almost 88), 60 years of unfailing faith and service to her country and people are counted as nothing and kicked to the curb whilst people metaphorically (some literally) stamp their feet, have a tantrum and throw their toys out of their cots because she didn't do what they wanted, no scratch that, demanded she do.

The Queen is a woman of faith. It was not a public engagement, it is an act of private worship. I'm truly sorry for those who just don't "get" that the Queen is a staunch, practising Christian and that means attending Chapel or Church. Their lives must be barren and their hearts cold to reduce her act of faith to an "photo op". Just because people can see her does not make it public or official but she takes the time to stop and mix.

The Mail article quoted someone present as saying they had been coming for 20 years and this is the first time she hasn't stopped to greet children and accept flowers. Doesn't that raise any warning signals? Is anyone in the least concerned that HM may not have been feeling quite the thing?
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The Mail article quoted someone present as saying they had been coming for 20 years and this is the first time she hasn't stopped to greet children and accept flowers. Doesn't that raise any warning signals? Is anyone in the least concerned that HM may not have been feeling quite the thing?
That was my thought too. And the criticism that doesn't take this into account is very, very ugly in my opinion.
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I agree. I think this argument has been blown out of proportion with one side trying to take offense and attack the Queen and the other side is up in arms trying to defend her. Neither side seems to want to actually look at the bigger issue here.

The Queen has a long standing tradition of meeting people like this, and she's not a woman who easily breaks from her traditions or duties. She's not the type to blow something like this off because she has to go to the bathroom or because her lunch might get cold - as Bertie pointed out, she grew up under the influence of Queen Mary and learned the importance of never showing weakness or discomfort and doing her duty. Queen Mary was a woman who understood the effort her subjects made in order to see her and felt it was important that she take the time for them - a lesson that she passed on to her granddaughter.

I don't believe for a moment that the Queen simply had to go to the bathroom or didn't want to be late for lunch. This behaviour is out of character for her, and I think it's ridiculous of us to attack her for it or dismiss it as unimportant. Something's up here and I think those of us on this forum who clearly should know enough about the Queen to know that she doesn't just blow off her subjects because she has to pee should be showing a bit more concern for her here.
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OK. Say she just wasn't feeling well. Maybe her back was killing her. Why not tell the truth about it and end speculation before it starts?
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