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The Princes and the Press - Two Part BBC documentary 2021

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https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/prog...-the-press-ep1

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Old 11-22-2021, 03:28 AM
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The Princes and the Press

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html#comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ncendiary.html

The Royal Family have acted swiftly to deny these allegations by the BBC before the 2-part documentary starting on Tuesday, 23rd November.
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Old 11-22-2021, 04:17 AM
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Wow, they must be expecting something terrible, if they have acted thus.
Threathening to boycot the BBC, is no lenient action.
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Old 11-22-2021, 07:01 AM
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The previews for the programme have said that it focuses on the different relationships between the Cambridges and the Sussexes and the press, so I was expecting something along the lines of William and Kate trying to work with the press whereas Harry and Meghan have hit out against the press. Unfortunately, it sounds as if it's going to be a load of stirring and trying to make out that there's a feud between the two households.

I don't understand what the BBC hopes to achieve by this. Things have moved on - no-one's talking about the relationship between the brothers any more, and concern about the Queen's health means that the public are likely to be angry by the broadcasting of a programme that could cause her any further distress.
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The previews for the programme have said that it focuses on the different relationships between the Cambridges and the Sussexes and the press, so I was expecting something along the lines of William and Kate trying to work with the press whereas Harry and Meghan have hit out against the press. Unfortunately, it sounds as if it's going to be a load of stirring and trying to make out that there's a feud between the two households.

I don't understand what the BBC hopes to achieve by this. Things have moved on - no-one's talking about the relationship between the brothers any more, and concern about the Queen's health means that the public are likely to be angry by the broadcasting of a programme that could cause her any further distress.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-fa...s-documentary/


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The Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William are reportedly threatening to boycott the BBC over a refusal to let them see a documentary about the royals’ relationship with the media.
In a rare move, the three households have united to complain to the corporation amid fears that Monday night’s programme, the Princes and The Press, will repeat claims that Prince William and Prince Harry briefed against each other through their aides.
The documentary comes as tensions between the Royal Family and the BBC run high in the wake of the Martin Bashir scandal, where an independent inquiry found the journalist’s interview with Diana, Princess of Wales was obtained by deceit - with failings covered up by BBC bosses. The Duke of Cambridge made a scathing statement following the report.



I don't understand the BBC's decision to air this either. As you pointed out the discussion over the Wales brothers' relationship has more or less disappeared. And considering that both were justifiably very upset and angry over the findings of the investigation into the Panorama Interview, I can't see why the BBC would choose to air something like this new program.


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Royal Family issues extraordinary blast at BBC for airing 'overblown and unfounded claims' in documentary about rift between William and Harry - as Meghan sends her lawyer on to insist the negative stories about the Duchess are 'false'

  • Buckingham Palace accused BBC of giving credibility to ‘overblown and unfounded claims’ about the Royals
  • Comment was made in a joint statement by Buckingham Palace, Kensington Palace and Clarence House
  • It comes after the BBC tonight aired part one of a two-part BBC2 series called The Princes and The Press
  • The episode included claims that insiders from other royal households had briefed against the Sussexes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ss-series.html
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Old 11-22-2021, 08:33 PM
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So, it seems Meghan by sending her lawyer (and Omid Scobie as their right hand media man) participated in this BBC programme... Their claims were that Meghan the bullying clails are false and Meghan is not difficult to work with (lawyer) and that staff members briefed against the Sussexes (Omid). And at the same time the palace was not given 'sufficient' insight into the programme ahead of airing... Sounds like a very one-sided view.
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Old 11-22-2021, 08:37 PM
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Anita Singh of the Telegraph wrote a mixed review of Part One:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2021/...ed-us-already/


This clip from the review is indicative of the tone of the program:

"... One of the factors that marks out Rajan from his peers is his relaxed presenting style. If he leaned back any further in that chair, he’d be horizontal. It makes his fellow news presenters seem stuffy by comparison. He’s also very smart, but this programme wasn’t his finest work. Perhaps he felt under certain constraints, the BBC having a chequered history when it comes to covering the royals. Remember the BBC One controller having to resign after wrongly claiming that the Queen had stormed out of an Annie Leibovitz photoshoot in a huff? I’m sure Rajan would say he shows no fear or favour, but he also knows when not to overstep the mark. ..."
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It seems a little odd that they are not offering any heads up to the Palace, or more simply, to either William or Harry since their interactions with the press is the supposed basis of the documentary. Sadly, I see that the Palace (HM) Clarence House (Prince Charles) and Kensington Palace (William), and nothing whatsoever about Harry.

The omission of Harry really shows where all of their priorities are focused at this point in time, (ie. HM health), possibly because Harry has since removed himself from the family. I can only imagine the BBC thinking they are fireproof for them to go forward at such a time and in such a way with so very much on the line. IMO it will just be another he said, they thought that he said and he aid and they thought fuzzy doco where everybody is guilty of something but nobody is responsible because they had decided that nothing would be said or done by anyone so they all believe that nobody said anything and somebody made a whole lot up.
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Am I missing something? I thought heads up meant advanced warning and if that's how it was meant, I'd say Harry had more than advanced warning. He and his wife sent their lawyer over there to participate.

Scobie has twitted that the interview he gave for the BBC took place over a year ago. This documentary had been planned long ago.

Personally, I don't believe Harry and Meghan could possibly have been unaware, not with both Scobie and their lawyer taking part.
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Old 11-22-2021, 11:04 PM
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I found a link on Youtube of the first part of the BBC's The Princes and the Press documentary. I'm still in the process of watching it. Hopefully, the link is not taken down due to copyright.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

The Royal Family may get the lawyers involved now!
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Sorry, but I choose not to believe Daily Mail.

Here's The Telegraph article by Camilla Tominey (who spoke in the documentary)

Brief encounters: the truth about the Palace PR machine and how we journalists get royal stories

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It was all pretty uncontroversial - and I get the distinct impression that after all the hullabaloo over the palace’s reported “fury” at this two-part series, viewers will have felt decidedly let down over the distinct lack of bombshells.

First of all, I know the second of the two programmes has had to be extensively rewritten since Meghan was forced to apologise for “unintentionally”*misleading the court*over whether she collaborated with the authors of Finding Freedom during a Court of Appeal hearing of her case against the Mail on Sunday earlier this month.

So it seems as if it is not a case of the BBC withholding preview copies from the Palace - but rather that it is still being edited right down to the wire.

(...)
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I started to watch The Princes and the Press but didn't last very long and turned it off. To be honest, I thought the BBC was a tad bit above creating a soap opera.

What I'd really, really like to know is just what purpose did this documentary serve?
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For me in does feel like the BBC was trying to create a story. However there was not anything new - we know how the Princes feel towards the press.
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Sorry, but I choose not to believe Daily Mail.

Here's The Telegraph article by Camilla Tominey (who spoke in the documentary)

Brief encounters: the truth about the Palace PR machine and how we journalists get royal stories
So CT who took part in the doc is trying to play down it's bias. That's not vested interest at all...

Also I'm not sure how claiming they now have to rewrite part of it, is suppose to be a good look. It means the original (which CT took part in) was even more slanted in favor Sussexes, and it's only because the Sussexes got caught in court lies that the BBC is forced to do an eleventh hour change to make slightly more impartial (likely after their legal team nudged them). Having to do last minute backtracking after their subject of support was caught, isn't honorable. It's just ass covering.


Also one of the main issues the Princes have with the media stems from Martin Bashir. But something tells me Bashir isn't the main focus of this doc, if he's even mentioned at all, because that would make the BBC look bad. So I'm sure the very honorable BBC instead deflected in this doc, making the issues be with paparazzi, tabloids, and feuding family members. Bashir, who?

I can totally see why all the royal households are fed up with the BBC.
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The first half of it was just rehashing a load of old stories about the News of the World hacking Kate's phone and trying to dig up dirt on Chelsy. We know that. The NOTW closed down 10 years ago. What's the point of keeping going on about it?

The focus was mainly on the Sussexes: things like the topless photos of Kate taken on a private site by a member of the paparazzi using a long lens, and the way in which she was hassled when she was working for Jigsaw, weren't even mentioned, and a lot of time was devoted to the coverage of Harry and Meghan's wedding and their overseas tours. Maybe that's just because the early treatment of Kate isn't seen as news any more: Kate and William have come to terms with the media. But I wouldn't say that it was pro or anti anyone - it was quite critical of Harry over "Tiaragate". The fact that the media try to whip up stories over who wears which tiara or whether or not bridesmaids should wear tights says a lot more about the media than about anyone concerned - it all sounds like something out of the school playground!

Then there was about one minute of Harry and Meghan's lawyer complaining about the allegations of bullying staff.

It didn't really say anything new, and it didn't say anything to justify all the hoo-ha there's been, or the claims that the Royal Family are going to boycott the BBC. Just all seems like a storm in a teacup to me! Channels 4 and 5 have recently run a number of successful documentaries about different members of the Royal Family, past and present, I think largely because Covid restrictions have made it difficult to film new material, so maybe the BBC thought they'd try to get in on the act?
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Just finished watching the documentary and I thought I was watching a scripted drama with some contrived scenes, whilst pushing an agenda. Amol Rajan did not really come across objective at all, where he challenged more vigorously to some tabloid reporter, whilst being more softer or even appear to agree with others. Rajan actually makes it more obvious that he was a republican (anti-monarchists), when he was not questioning the interviewee who are sympathetic to the Sussexes. To make matters worse, why is Jenny Afia, the Sussex's lawyer with permission speak allowed to defend Meghan, despite an ongoing investigation with the bullying allegation? Why did the Sussexes not sued The Times beforehand if they are so confident that the story about Meghan bullying staff is false? Why deny the allegation now, where Meghan already admitted that she misled court?

I would have thought that the BBC would be treading more carefully after the Martin Bashir's controversy, but it seems like they are willing to rehash the story about Royal Family with the Press. All it does is to give ammunition to the "Defund the BBC" campaign and BBC's critics/rivals who argue that they are wasting taxpayer's money on producing a documentary that is not informative nor objective. I could see why the Palaces were upset with the BBC and threatened to boycott them if they are airing "overblown and unfound claims from unnamed sources".
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I am not quite sure that it is the BBC job to prevent far-fetched and paranoid campaigns from extremist politicians. Neither do I think the BBC or any other news channel will ever go far enough for such groups. They live from outrage, they live from imagined enemies. They will always find a fault with the BBC or with other media, because that is their business model. They gain support by peddling a paranoid world-view where you are either with them or against them and where they are victim and victor at the same time. Very much in line with simular political movements in Europe in the 1920s and later on. In that sense I do not think that the BBC or this documentary was wrong to air/make this documentary.

Having that said I agree that this particular documentary does not contain anything new for those who followed the matter closely. But of course not everybody did. If anything it reflects badly on royal reporters. As an opinion article in The Guardian stated:

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Royal journalism, as he showed it in action, does the opposite of exciting reverence: rather, it places its hand gently on the backs of Britons’ heads and pushes our noses deep into the royal family’s dirty linen. Everybody involved gets degraded by it.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...-dirty-laundry
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