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Old 03-11-2021, 01:00 PM
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Why should they forgive her? She didn't forgive her family. And she did the same thing to the royals they did to her
I feel very sure the royal family is angry but they've been through things like this before. Charles has publicly complained that his parents were cold and distant (although he never implied they were bad people). I believe despite all the public disagreements, the royal family is very loving and forgiving.
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:01 PM
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Fergie lost her security when she divorced.. but Diana kept hers although she wasn't considered a workign royal but she was a high profile and deemed to be at risk....
Maybe that's at the base of the story, imo Harry very much identifies with his mother: popular with the people but misunderstood, mistreated and unsupported by the royal family, haunted by the press, and we know what happened with Diana, even if she had security...

Maybe Harry sees himself in that same position and is convinced that by denying security and not helping against the media, the RF 'letting him' risk ending in the same way...

tragic ofcourse if he is, but it would explain his view of things, and him feeling justified in attacking the RF

as said before: i just wish they had a friend who helped them see all the positiv they can do and focus on that..
I'm still of the opinion that going public with a onesided interview has never helped anyone
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:10 PM
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I feel very sure the royal family is angry but they've been through things like this before. Charles has publicly complained that his parents were cold and distant (although he never implied they were bad people). I believe despite all the public disagreements, the royal family is very loving and forgiving.
Its one thing to forgive Harry but MEghan?
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:12 PM
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Its one thing to forgive Harry but MEghan?
I don't know but Meghan is Harry's wife and the mother of his children.
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:24 PM
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Meghan will ghost the royal family along with all her own family members. There is a bit of a common thread going on here.
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:29 PM
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The Duke of Cambridge has made some comments during his first official engagement after the interview:

Being asked "Is the Royal Family a racist family, sir?" he answered:

"We're very much not a racist family". And that he replied he had not spoken to his brother since the interview "but will do":

See here: ** dailymail article **
He did handle the question very well, did not show his anger, and said that he was planning on having a talk with Harry
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:36 PM
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I do think that this Netflix deal is not going to go well. Does Harry really have ideas for documentaries etc? Or will it all be Meghan? As you say, its probably come as a shock to him in the past year that he had to pay for security himself, pay his staff, pay the decorators and so on...(that's probably what freaked him out and drove him to ranting at Dad adn asking for more money)...
and if he and Meg don't have ideas or they dont do well, will Netflix continue with the deal?
We don't know anything about the contract, does it a time frame within which they have to produce, or does it depend on what they produce. I am not sure Netflix can get out of the contract easily and neither can they.

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I do think that this Netflix deal is not going to go well. Does Harry really have ideas for documentaries etc? Or will it all be Meghan? As you say, its probably come as a shock to him in the past year that he had to pay for security himself, pay his staff, pay the decorators and so on...(that's probably what freaked him out and drove him to ranting at Dad adn asking for more money)...
and if he and Meg don't have ideas or they dont do well, will Netflix continue with the deal?
I think that they should concentrate on the Netflix deal and actually produce something, instead of wasting time on the Oprah interview, time is money in Hollywood, and Netflix is not going to wait forever for their product. Unless they are planning to include this interview into some content for Netflix, I think it was a waste of time.
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:40 PM
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A new kind of throne

It had to happen. The "thrones" that Harry and Meghan sat on during their Oprah interview have been sold out. Ironically, there are ties to the entertainment world with these garden "thrones". The furniture, from Christopher Knight Brands, sold out after it was prominently displayed during Sunday night's bombshell interview. For those that do not recognize the name Christopher Knight, he was the middle son, Peter Brady in "The Brady Bunch".

Thrones and Knights... oh my!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/11/busin...ght/index.html
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:41 PM
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I did not pick up on this statement before, but in the transcript of the interview there is this exchange between Harry and Oprah. In this statement, what do you think Harry means by "removing everything"?

Oprah: Your exit agreement with the Royal Family, it's...that is coming up at the end of this month.

Harry: The decision is, I think. Yeah, I mean, the decision -- what, as of last week, or whatever it was--is that they will be removing everything.


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That is correct. The RPOs work for the Metropolitan Police and not for the royals, themselves.
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Generally speaking yes. Of course the queen and heir and their consorts will always have security.. because by the very nature of their position they are high risk. Harry as a working royal and an ex solider would be high risk while working - but that might change over time. Andrew I think has lost his security now that he's not a working royal. So did Bea and Eugenie.. they weren't considered high risk and economies needed to be made.
Fergie lost her security when she divorced.. but Diana kept hers although she wasn't considered a workign royal but she was a high profile and deemed to be at risk....
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:46 PM
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Meghan will ghost the royal family along with all her own family members. There is a bit of a common thread going on here.
I don't think so. I was one of those who really thought that Meghan was terrific. She had a serene manner, is very intelligent, and seemed kind. Now, I see what the detractors were concerned about.

She could have kept quiet but having a voice seems very important to her. The royal family is responsible for her fame and fortune. I think she wants to attend major events, like the Jubilee. They are being very careful to keep their relationship with the Queen and I think that will continue. Charles ascension is probably years away. I think they will patch things up before that happens.
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Old 03-11-2021, 01:46 PM
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I did not pick up on this statement before, but in the transcript of the interview there is this exchange between Harry and Oprah. In this statement, what do you think Harry means by "removing everything"?

Oprah: Your exit agreement with the Royal Family, it's...that is coming up at the end of this month.

Harry: The decision is, I think. Yeah, I mean, the decision -- what, as of last week, or whatever it was--is that they will be removing everything.
What was announced, their royal patronages and positions that they wanted to keep - part of being half in, half out.

They got to keep the private ones like Smart Works and Invictus etc.
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:00 PM
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Oprah is a professional her staff had plenty of time to fact check Meghan Markle's statements. Instead she ran with what brought "the best TV". I tuned into CBS and observed Oprah and Gail King going over the "Markle's racist remarks like a couple of old hens." I disagree with this as there is no conversation or person accused, but great TV.
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:16 PM
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If you go on the born into the Royal Family argument for security then ALL the royals deserve it. Clearly they don't go by that rule. Princess Anne works more than most royals and she doesn't have her own security. This is a HUGE reason why the "I was born royal" holds no weight with me.

So were loads of other royals. Royals who are still working royals. Royals who only get security when they are at events. Yet none of them have complained except Andrew and Harry.
It is not JUST about being born in the royal family. IF someone needs security BECAUSE he was born into the royal family THAN the question is whether it would be reasonable if it is (partly) paid for. If someone doesn't need security, it is irrelevant whether they were born a member of the royal family or not because there are no security costs to incur.

Apparently, Henry still needed security... otherwise there was no reason to no longer pay the security he received... I am personally undecided on this issue but I do think that if his security concerns directly result from him being a member of the royal family (and not or only limitedly because of his own behavior), it begs the question whether he should receive at least a partial compensation (but not sure from whom).
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:23 PM
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:25 PM
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@Osipi

You are right. Harry has no concept of money: spending wisely, saving for a rainy day or putting off buying what he wants simply because it was never an issue. Much less how hard it is to earn, how hard the normal person works and how to just earn.

Whereas a normal person splurge is maybe a fancy dinner at a steak house and a trip to the mall Harry might go to the most expensive A list steak place and buy dinner and drinks for all his friends and then go buy an expensive diamond necklace for Meghan and then the checks come and the bills come and he is shocked and confused. Just never thought about stopping.

And I highly doubt Meghan is the wiser head here don’t you?
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:30 PM
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I don't think so. I was one of those who really thought that Meghan was terrific. She had a serene manner, is very intelligent, and seemed kind. Now, I see what the detractors were concerned about.

She could have kept quiet but having a voice seems very important to her. The royal family is responsible for her fame and fortune. I think she wants to attend major events, like the Jubilee. They are being very careful to keep their relationship with the Queen and I think that will continue. Charles ascension is probably years away. I think they will patch things up before that happens.
I take your point, I also had a great deal of admiration for them both at the beginning.
The connection is their fortune.
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:33 PM
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@Osipi

You are right. Harry has no concept of money: spending wisely, saving for a rainy day or putting off buying what he wants simply because it was never an issue. Much less how hard it is to earn, how hard the normal person works and how to just earn.

Whereas a normal person splurge is maybe a fancy dinner at a steak house and a trip to the mall Harry might go to the most expensive A list steak place and buy dinner and drinks for all his friends and then go buy an expensive diamond necklace for Meghan and then the checks come and the bills come and he is shocked and confused. Just never thought about stopping.

And I highly doubt Meghan is the wiser head here don’t you?
Meghan has more experience and knowledge of actually working and paying her own bills and paying taxes and maybe even balancing a checkbook but on the scale which they're choosing to live now, I don't think either one of them really know the enormity of what they've taken on.
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:33 PM
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Archie's security would be based on need.. as a child Since Harry had security as a senior royal and a former soldier, his children would share in that security while still small. Meghan is talkng nonsese, she is trying to imply that A's security was dependent on his having a title.. of prince and that he would not get it because he was mixed race. Probably at the age of 18, even if H stayed in the RF, Archie would not have security.
The only reasonable explanation I can come up with for the link between HRH and security is that someone might have pointed out that him not being an HRH would be advantageous in terms of the need for security as he is less likely to attract attention to himself (compare: Beatrice & Eugenie versus Louise & James).
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:34 PM
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I don't know but Meghan is Harry's wife and the mother of his children.
I think it might be trust rather than forgive.

She has revealed details from within the family. Also the threats have been put out there that there are e mails and texts.
Not nice.
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Old 03-11-2021, 02:36 PM
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Apparently, Henry still needed security... otherwise there was no reason to no longer pay the security he received... I am personally undecided on this issue but I do think that if his security concerns directly result from him being a member of the royal family (and not or only limitedly because of his own behavior), it begs the question whether he should receive at least a partial compensation (but not sure from whom).
I think in that case, it might be reasonable to reimburse him for whatever his security would cost if he lived a quiet, private life at Frogmore, which no one's stopping them from doing. But that's also true of Anne's and Andrew's and Edward's children, who haven't done anything particularly expensive or controversial, but are still on the hook for their own security if they want it (or will be once they turn 18). Maybe the threat to Harry is higher, but it's hard to quantify how much of that is because of his birth and how much is because of his actions. Most Americans wouldn't recognize any of the Queen's other grandchildren if they ran into them on the street.
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