The Royal Forums Coat of Arms


Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #241  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:36 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Washington, United States
Posts: 1,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrincessJava View Post
Perhaps it's the "I told you so" he may have not wanted to hear. In the sense when William told Harry to slow down with Meghan.
Perhaps he was worried about that from William - although it's hard to picture, but Charles did arrange for Diana to see specialists (sometimes against her will). Up until this interview, Charles was perceived as a loving father.
__________________

  #242  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:36 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kellydofc View Post
I don't understand this either. We know Harry's been to therapy. Diana had been to therapy. I believe I've even heard that Charles has been to therapy. Clearly William and Kate have no issue with it. So where is this coming from? Something about this feels off.


That is one of many many problems with this interview. A lot is off about it.

I really take nothing they said at pure face value.
__________________

  #243  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:37 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Washington, United States
Posts: 1,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeOfAster View Post
I may have missed this but I read somewhere that Harry said the race comment did not come from his Grandparents but I do not recall him saying this. Just curious if someone heard him say this.
He didn't say it on screen. On a morning show, Oprah announced that Harry told her that it wasn't his grandparents.
  #244  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:42 PM
texankitcat's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Dallas, United States
Posts: 1,060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisa View Post
Meghan herself said she wanted to go to a hospital but that she couldn't just call an uber- that inplies that she wasn't asking for anything elaborate or extravagant.
Moreover, if a senior palace official denied her request in makes sense that in the throws of her anguish and despair that she would ask for help from any logical place such as the palace's HR department. Many organizations -HR departments have employee health offices on premises(physical and mental) to assist employees.

There is also the shame stigma that comes from asking for help. Like Meghan said in the S. African interview- no one checked in on them to see if they were ok or how she was coping with it all. Moreover as she and Harry were told that they should "just get on with it". Imagine how that affects ones self esteem in the midst of a crisis.
This isn’t a naive sheltered 18 year old. This is a 39:year old strong independent feminist who had a career and managed her own life for man6 years. This is a woman who fights for women to have their own voice, and yet was incapable of taking responsibility to pick up the phone and contact her doctor for a discreet referral? She was completely dependent on other people to help her, speak for her, protect her, etc? That just doesn’t ring true for me.
  #245  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:44 PM
Estel's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Somewhere, India
Posts: 140
I can understand how Diana felt helpless, I don't understand how Meghan could feel the same. She had Harry, who apparently loves her. What was he doing all the time!? His only step was to break from the family coz they didn't help her out? I don't think so. Something is very off. Is Harry using Meghan as his way out without wanting to look bad?
  #246  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:45 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher View Post
Perhaps he was worried about that from William - although it's hard to picture, but Charles did arrange for Diana to see specialists (sometimes against her will). Up until this interview, Charles was perceived as a loving father.


My perception on Charles as a father hasn’t changed. What I see is an entitled son who didn’t get that when he walked out of the family business and said he wanted financial freedom....he might just get it.
  #247  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:49 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrownPrincessJava View Post
Perhaps it's the "I told you so" he may have not wanted to hear. In the sense when William told Harry to slow down with Meghan.

I don't think that William would have said that in a situation where Harry's wife was suicidal. Maybe Harry thought so, but if so, that would only be a further incidence of Harry having unrealistic perceptions or expectations of things. In my opinion.

Anyhow, he could have asked Charles for help (at that point they still had a better relationship, I believe) or Eugenie, who he was/ is said to be very close to.

What happened in that situation was then, but I do believe that in retrospect, he should reflect on what else could have been done. Is it truly all the staff's fault?

They always just lay all the blame at the feet of other people.
  #248  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:52 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 10,766
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisa View Post
Meghan said that she went to one of the "most senior palace officials'" and asked if she could go somewhere to get help and was denied because it was not a good look. Meghan also said that she went to the HR department and said plainly "I need help" and was denied. Such a response for all intents and purposes needs to be investigated- if what Meghan says turns out to be true then there needs to be alot of work done on revamping policies and procedures
for when a member of the royal family needs and is seeking help.
This is heartbreaking if true. But why turn to a "senior Palace official " and not her personal physician? Ideally her obstetrician if she was pregnant at the time? A health professional recommending emergency inpatient psychiatric treatment would have carried a lot of weight.

I can't think of anyone on the verge of a breakdown going to the HR department instead of a health professional.

This one doesn't pass the smell test.
__________________
"Be who God intended you to be, and you will set the world on fire" St. Catherine of Siena

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice". Martin Luther King Jr. 1929-1968
  #249  
Old 03-09-2021, 10:54 PM
texankitcat's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Dallas, United States
Posts: 1,060
Quote:
Originally Posted by Princess_Eleanor View Post
All of this. And William & Harry together have been saying that you should ask someone for help. Kate has been to family therapy with her brother, we know that too.
Not to mention William, Harry and Kate started “Heads Together” campaign to erase the stigma of mental Heath challenges and encourage people to seek help and provided resources for that help. Harry waves his mental health like a saber against the media on a regular basis, and yet neither Meghan or Harry could get help for her? At what point do people stop enabling and start questioning the things these two claim?
  #250  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:17 PM
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 8,379
Talking about laying the blame at the feet of other people, I haven’t heard one word of regret from any journalist working for a tabloid newspaper about the British Press’s behaviour towards Meghan in the time she was a new wife and a working royal. .

Not one iota of analysis of their publications for the disgusting attacks made on Meghan for all the attacks daily while she was pregnant, all the criticisms of hair, dress, clothing, etc etc, all the snide remarks about her nationality, exes, family members, holding Archie, etc etc going on and on and on.


Instead there have been regurgitations of what she said in the interview, how she might have lied, how disrespectful to the Royal Family.


And also a rewriting of history in that one or two journalists, notably Richard Kay among them who have emphasised how welcoming and happy the Press was to see her in. Britain.


Welcoming my foot! How long was it before the manipulations of truth started, the placing of the narrative of the heroine Princess versus the Villain Princess who could never measure up? A matter of weeks?


In a way it is similar to the diversionary methods the tabloids used after Diana’s death. ‘Oh My God! We might be blamed for this! Quick, must find another target the public can focus on. We mustn’t be seen to be at fault!’


On that occasion the tabloids didn’t mind attacking the Queen in deflection. ‘Show us you care, Ma’am!’ Now, in this it’s defending the monarch and ‘poor Prince Philip, lying in hospital.’ Great tactics.


I have always felt that if the British tabloids had been just a bit kind, a bit fair in their coverage and given Meghan even a year’s grace then she and Harry might have had second thoughts about leaving.
  #251  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:18 PM
Leopoldine's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 862
I think it's odd that not one private secretary, courtier, personal assistant or equerry is named in the entire interview.
  #252  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:21 PM
Kellydofc's Avatar
Nobility
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Out in the country, United States
Posts: 472
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruaudladoube View Post
I don't disagree, however, you have to remember that Meghan is an American. If we have a question about where to go for health care, contacting HR is pretty standard. What this all tells me is that Harry failed Meghan in not making sure she understood where to go for things like this.

In fact, this interview tells me Harry has failed Meghan in a lot of ways when it comes to succeeding as a senior member of the Royal Family.
Okay, I'm an American and I've never gone to HR in my life for health care. When I first set up my insurance yes but after that you contact your health care provider. If I needed mental healthcare I certainly wouldn't go to my work's HR. I would contact my primary care physician.
  #253  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:23 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
The Duke & Duchess of Sussex with Oprah III - Post-Interview, March 9th 2021 -

Quote:
Originally Posted by texankitcat View Post
Not to mention William, Harry and Kate started “Heads Together” campaign to erase the stigma of mental Heath challenges and encourage people to seek help and provided resources for that help. Harry waves his mental health like a saber against the media on a regular basis, and yet neither Meghan or Harry could get help for her? At what point do people stop enabling and start questioning the things these two claim?


Excellent sum up. Maybe so much doesn’t make sense because it didn’t happen that way. Maybe it’s willful on Harry and Meghan’s part, maybe not. Maybe they’ve convinced themselves of certain “truths” over time to avoid responsibility for their own actions.

Furthermore- I think it’s relevant to bear in mind some of the (IMO) purposes behind this interview- trashing Harry’s family, trashing the monarchy, getting sympathy and making money in America. I don’t think the absolute truth was ever a goal here. We’re only getting one POV here: theirs. And even that isn’t consistent.
  #254  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:30 PM
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Somewhere, United States
Posts: 2,134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leopoldine View Post
I think it's odd that not one private secretary, courtier, personal assistant or equerry is named in the entire interview.

I think it makes sense from their pov.

If they name names that person could respond- and that response might well not be favorable to them. Said person might even have evidence to back it up.

This allows them to just throw out whatever they want and say they were failed by basically everyone.
  #255  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:32 PM
Alisa's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: , United States
Posts: 2,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by US Royal Watcher View Post
Honestly, I haven't watched the entire interview so I am not sure what point Harry finally took action but Meghan suffered a lot during the time he didn't. For example, I read that she was very unhappy because the staff was advising her not to go out, leaving her feeling trapped for about two months. That is a long time for a spouse not to notice that there is a serous problem.

Moreover, I don't know how often her doctor appointments were but I am surprised that the doctor didn't pick up on her depression if it lasted that long. What about Doria, certainly she talked to her daughter via Skype - and she didn't notice. I don't think the staff are the most culpable actors in this drama.
No she never said that being advised not to go out was when she was in her crisis. She used that as an example of the restrictions and unfairness that she experienced.

I don't know the British maternity system if she was seeing a doctor throughout the pregnancy or was it a midwife so I cannot say. Even so it is not uncommon for depression in pregnancy to be missed-never the less at her breaking point she sought help in multiple shapes and forms and was denied.
  #256  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:32 PM
Sunnystar's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oregon, United States
Posts: 628
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kellydofc View Post
Okay, I'm an American and I've never gone to HR in my life for health care. When I first set up my insurance yes but after that you contact your health care provider. If I needed mental healthcare I certainly wouldn't go to my work's HR. I would contact my primary care physician.
Right. The only thing I can think of going to HR about would be to see what sort of mental health coverage my health care plan has - so I know what I would be looking at my cost as far as co-pays and prescriptions are concerned. Or, possibly changing my plan to include better mental health coverage. But, I certainly wouldn't be going to my HR department to see if I could go see someone. And, given the kind of money the BRF has, cost certainly would be the last thing on my mind if I needed help.
  #257  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:35 PM
Gentry
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Unspecified, United States
Posts: 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kellydofc View Post
Okay, I'm an American and I've never gone to HR in my life for health care. When I first set up my insurance yes but after that you contact your health care provider. If I needed mental healthcare I certainly wouldn't go to my work's HR. I would contact my primary care physician.
It sounds like your company doesn't have an Employee Assistance Program (EAP). Many companies do so that an employee can go to them for help. It is a confidential program. Meghan said that her union as an actress had an EAP. So that was her frame of reference for going to Human Resources.
  #258  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:38 PM
Hairball's Avatar
Commoner
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Hendersonville, United States
Posts: 10
Classy, great response from the BRF.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that this interview has damaged the monarchy, and I don't think it will ever be the same.
__________________
To err is human; to purr is feline.
  #259  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:42 PM
Leopoldine's Avatar
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: New York, United States
Posts: 862
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisa View Post
No she never said that being advised not to go out was when she was in her crisis. She used that as an example of the restrictions and unfairness that she experienced.

I don't know the British maternity system if she was seeing a doctor throughout the pregnancy or was it a midwife so I cannot say. Even so it is not uncommon for depression in pregnancy to be missed-never the less at her breaking point she sought help in multiple shapes and forms and was denied.
I read in a book (Royals at War by Dylan Howard) that during her pregnancy she went to a very posh spa, (Heckfield Place in Hampshire) and separately also had a course of acupuncture, availed herself of massage therapy and aromatherapy, did chanting and consulted a numerologist. I don't think she was prevented from getting psychiatric help, I think that the palace didn't like her chosen venue which was probably in another country.
  #260  
Old 03-09-2021, 11:48 PM
Alisa's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: , United States
Posts: 2,992
Quote:
Originally Posted by UglyAmerican View Post
Most people in that situation need to hospitalized because adequate 24/7 supervision to prevent them from harming themselves isn't possible in their homes. In Meghan's case, it would have been. She may have felt that being hospitalized was the best option for her, and she may even have been correct, but that doesn't mean it was the only option that might have benefited her. If she'd done what she could with in-home treatment and didn't believe it was working, that's one thing. But if her response to (what she perceived as) being told "Sorry, you can't check into a hospital" was "Well, then I guess I won't have any treatment at all!" then honestly, that could reasonably be perceived as her threatening suicide to manipulate people and dropping the charade when it didn't work.


When someone is in a crisis and says they feel like they " don't want to be here anymore"hospitalized- in home treatments don't work- they need to be hospitalized. After stabilization then arrangements can be made for outpatient treatment. Meghan claimed she was begging for help and "nothing was being done" that implies they didn't even try to get her as you suggested private in-home care. Those are serious charges and like I have been saying it definitely
warrants and inquiry and procedures need to be reformed if it is in fact true.
__________________

Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The Duke & Duchess of Sussex with Oprah II - Interview, March 7th-9th 2021 Jacknch The Electronic Domain 1196 03-09-2021 01:48 PM




Popular Tags
america archie mountbatten-windsor asia asian baptism british british royal family british royals camilla's family camilla parker bowles carolin china china chinese ming dynasty asia asian emperor royalty qing chinese clarence house commonwealth countries crown jewels customs daisy doge of venice duchess of sussex duke of sussex elizabeth ii family tree fashion and style genetics george vi gradenigo gustaf vi adolf harry and meghan hello! highgrove history hochberg house of windsor jack brooksbank japan japan history jewellery kensington palace king edward vii king juan carlos książ castle liechtenstein lili mountbatten-windsor line of succession list of rulers luxembourg monarchist movements monarchists mongolia pless politics prince harry queen consort queen elizabeth ii queen victoria royal ancestry royalty of taiwan speech st edward suthida swedish queen taiwan thai royal family tradition unfinished portrait united states united states of america welsh


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:57 PM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021
Jelsoft Enterprises
×