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Old 03-09-2021, 10:58 AM
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but the way he put it "everyone was so jealous because she was too popular" sounded very immature.
And the funny thing is not a single poll bears him out. He was popular. Until they decided to walk away I believe he was the second most popular royal behind the Queen but Meghan was never more popular than William or Kate.
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Old 03-09-2021, 10:59 AM
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That's an interesting question especially since he was supposed to be the most "down to earth" of them all.


That part of his image is gone.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:00 AM
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I mean they could, they just probably won't.


The probably would have got more boring jobs the older they got but for now they were given jobs and patronages that were important and seemed to suit them. Whilst Royal Tours are draining they're important and high profile and they had 3 of them in 18 months and we supposed to be the "International Commonwealth Couple" for the next 20 years or so.

I can definitely see a situation where someone said "you can't outshine the future King and Queen" and that could have caused hurt and a lot of frustration but the way he put it "everyone was so jealous because she was too popular" sounded very immature.
I quite agree. I think they were given quite an interesting posting, if you like travelling etc. which presumably Harry does -. and that it all went well at first. But H began to feel stressed by a realization that this would not last forever, and that it would be hard work, and perhaps if Meg was upset and stressed too, it wore him out. and perhaps yes there were hints of " you've got a nice job, a nice house etc. but you're not the future King and queen".. so he got annoyed and began to feel that he was going to be working at increasingly dull and hard work all his life and he'd never be King.. and his wife would get u upset and sullen because she was never going to get the whole attention that Kate got...(I think she and Kate were on the outs).
Maybe Meg was waiting for Harry to come to this realisation and be willing to get out because she never really wanted to stay.. or rather she only wanted to stay if she was getting the exciting jobs, the money, the nice clothes etc...
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:01 AM
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I believe the "down to earth" Harry was simply a PR product from ELF and the palace, similar to what Mark Bolland did to Prince Charles.
That does seem pretty clear now.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:07 AM
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Richard Kay today in the Daily Mail calling on H&M's HRH to be removed.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-monarchy.html
Well, he's not mincing any words. I'm not sure Britain should care about what Americans think because we have nothing to do with the running of the UK. I admit I'm curious if there's a general sense the Sussexes should loose their titles and place in the succession in England in particular.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:08 AM
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That does seem pretty clear now.
I think that there's a grain of truth in H's image.. it would be hard to put up a completely false one. He's got a bit of a core of decency, but he's not bright and he's unstable.. and I think that marriage, instead of stablising him, is making him more and more volatile and rousing up old issues with his family....

but I had a feeling with Harry a few years back, before he married, that he tried too hard to be loved.. that it mattered too much to him to be popular with the people he met through his work.. Its good to care to an extent but Harry was too desperate for admiration and validation...So perhaps over time he began to feel "I knock myself out to be liked and yet Im not liked by everyone.." or "I try really hard but my wifes not as popular as she should be and I'm sick of working away and not getting universal admiration..."
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:11 AM
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I wanna know When Harry his in entire life was given the least impression that he and his wife and children would be treated equally with William and Williams family.. by say 10 he could not figure out his brother was the more important one in The Royal hierarchy? That William was going to be King?
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:11 AM
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. I don't know why Harry and Meghan made a big deal out it then, except for what appears to be a disproportionate sense of entitlement.

Maybe that, but maybe he really is the most threatened member of the family due to his military work in Afghanistan against the Taliban.Corona lead to forget that the IS fighters are still in business and killing the "warrior prince", his wife or son probably is still high on their agenda, they just can't travel so anonymously anymore.


And it is a fact that Harry was more than just the "spare" but an active soldier for the British government, that he earned some of his medals in an actual war where he risked his life for the idea of democracy. (While having a police protection officer with him...)
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:16 AM
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The latter most likely. She is a dumb as fox. The book deals will come next I guarantee, She will also bet on using her “stardom” to get plumb roles she could never have dreamed of before.

Holywood does not need her, there is cut-throat completion right now and she is not that good of an actress. Furthermore, Hollywood is not tone-deaf and producers have very good intuition if there enough anger in Britain against Meghan, Hollywood would not risk losing the UK market
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:16 AM
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Nope, the Sussexes would not survive that show. And if, hypothetically speaking, they appeared on that show, guaranteed they'd sue the producer (and everyone there) even before the show was over.
I fully expect them to sue Oprah sometime in the future..
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:18 AM
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That was quite an article. Much of what he said, I agreed with.

I think calling Meghan “ruthless” was right on. She is.
What would it take to remove all their titles including Harry's prince title?
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:19 AM
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I would welcome that. On taking on Oprah They would get throughly trounced and shown how little they really matter in the wider scheme of things.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:22 AM
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Maybe that, but maybe he really is the most threatened member of the family due to his military work in Afghanistan against the Taliban.Corona lead to forget that the IS fighters are still in business and killing the "warrior prince", his wife or son probably is still high on their agenda, they just can't travel so anonymously anymore.


And it is a fact that Harry was more than just the "spare" but an active soldier for the British government, that he earned some of his medals in an actual war where he risked his life for the idea of democracy. (While having a police protection officer with him...)
that's not the point. Other men risked htier lives, they dont get police protection. he got police protection because he was a working royal.. by his own choice, he stopped being a working royal....
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:25 AM
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What would it take to remove all their titles including Harry's prince title?
I believe it takes an Act of Parliament and the last time this was done was WWI when two peers fought for the Germans. I remain a little doubtful it will get done for H&M. What I do be seeing done is Parliament passing another Act of Succession stating only the eldest child's children will get titles. I can also see only the eldest child getting a Duchy upon their marriage. That however is the monarch's propagative.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:25 AM
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He has the second son problem. I hope going forward William and Kate prepare Charlotte and Louis. So that they can be fully prepared when they're adults. Maybe they should talk to Edward because I have to say he seems to have adjusted pretty well to his role.
Edward had issues early on. So did sophie. If harry and meghan had stuck it out they might have adjusted as well.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:26 AM
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Well, he's not mincing any words. I'm not sure Britain should care about what Americans think because we have nothing to do with the running of the UK. I admit I'm curious if there's a general sense the Sussexes should loose their titles and place in the succession in England in particular.

Losing his place in the line of succession is not a simple matter since it requires legislation not only in the United Kingdom, but also in other Commonwealth realms where the Queen is Head of State.


The last time the law on succession was changed (in 2013), six realms in addition to the UK indicated that national legislation was necessary: Australia, Barbados, Canada, New Zealand, St Kitts and Nevis, and St Vincent and te Grenadines. In Australia, legislation had to be enacted both by the federal Parliament and the legislatures of all six Australian states.


Back in 2013, nine realms indicated, however, that domestic legislation was not needed: Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Belize, Grenada, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, St Lucia, Solomon Islands, and Tuvalu.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:28 AM
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I have seen the interview on the belgium television.
A lot has been said already. I do not know what to think of all of this.
I do believe her that she stepped in quite innocent, I do believe her that she felt trapped. I do not understand why Harry did not prepare her better knowing his mothers struggles with the royal family. I can imagine that being pregnant and feeling left alone in another country made her feel desperate en depressed.
All other things said made me feel really funny.... it did not add up.

Poor Charles and William and Kate, this is not nice. Harry saying he felt sorry because they are trapped, like he was before. This fact alone should be a reason to shut up and don't attack your family who can't really defend themselves

And maybe it's me being dutch and not understanding the Americans, but why for goodness sake is Oprah Winfrey so popular and a big name in America. Her WHAAAT etc looked very artificial and I thought the interview was not of high standard

Something completely else. I heard there is another interview coming as she spoke to the two for hours...there is enough material for another tv program with Harry and Meghan is this true? I don't think I am going to watch that... can some one please tell me that is not true.. They can't go on and on and on can they
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:33 AM
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I think it has more to do with the role they were to play in that slim downed monarchy. It is one thing to say were chopping off these royals - another thing to realize that with them gone you are essentially doing their role. I really think he saw the life of the lower royals as demeaning and unglamorous.
I agree with your statement. However I don't think the role senior royals (the Queen, Charles & William) have is very glamourous either. The bulk of their work isn't attending galas or watching Trooping of the Colour, it's things like opening bridges, unveiling plaques etc. and shaking hands and listening to local politicians & other people. They are supposed not show feelings of boredom or be rude no matter how they feel that day. Even state dinners might look glamourous but I'm sure there's lots of boring speeches during them. Despite the perks & the money, it's not a role most people would want.
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:37 AM
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I have seen the interview on the belgium television.
A lot has been said already. I do not know what to think of all of this.
I do believe her that she stepped in quite innocent, I do believe her that she felt trapped. I do not understand why Harry did not prepare her better knowing his mothers struggles with the royal family. I can imagine that being pregnant and feeling left alone in another country made her feel desperate en depressed.
All other things said made me feel really funny.... it did not add up.

Poor Charles and William and Kate, this is not nice. Harry saying he felt sorry because they are trapped, like he was before. This fact alone should be a reason to shut up and don't attack your family who can't really defend themselves

And maybe it's me being dutch and not understanding the Americans, but why for goodness sake is Oprah Winfrey so popular and a big name in America. Her WHAAAT etc looked very artificial and I thought the interview was not of high standard

Something completely else. I heard there is another interview coming as she spoke to the two for hours...there is enough material for another tv program with Harry and Meghan is this true? I don't think I am going to watch that... can some one please tell me that is not true.. They can't go on and on and on can they
There was another program - Oprah did a morning show on CBS on Monday, talking about the interview, they also released some footage that didn't make it to the main interview.

Tabloids and racism:

Sussexes "snubbed" by the Queen:

Race factor:

Duchess of Sussex about her family:
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Old 03-09-2021, 11:40 AM
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Where it can get complicated is that I feel things got lost in translation between individuals. I can see how conversation might have been perceived differently from both sides. I don’t doubt both sides could see things very differently but yet the incidents still very much occurred.
This is my instinct in much of life (and I say this as a lawyer, for whatever that's worth). I think people experience and remember events differently, and much of the time it's not a clear or intentional lie. Add to that what Dr. Hillary said about Meghan and likely Harry both suffering with mental health issues, and the resulting isolation, and that would only compound the differing interpretations or experiences of some of the things that likely did happen in some form.
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