QueenMathilde
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Well you almost have to take a side now-M&H or the queen. H&M have made it impossible to be on both sides.
Possibly. I can understand why Harry and Meghan were offended, if the remark actually was made. It's also possible that like the issue of the title for Archie, the Firm perpetrating falsehoods, William suggesting that Harry go slow, and the Firm denying Meghan mental health care, that the reality was very different but was reinterpreted to fit their agenda.
Or it could have been an question actually rooted in concern based on their own family's experience that was unfortunately taken out of context. It's possible that it was made by a pair of grandparents who have grandchildren who are bi-racial, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester. Their daughter Davina's children are Maori and Caucasian.
I feel so bad for Archie and his sister. This self absorbed behavior and professional victim shtick as well as this really surprising vindictive streak his parents have going on will color their parenting because the basic nature of people does not change upon having a kid Plus his parents have most likely cut him off from his cousins and adoring granddad. Meghan has no functional family relationship other than Doria
I just have a hard time believing the racism. Because if the monarchy- the system - not the members- were racist why wouldn’t the people do something?
I have and still respect the members of the Royal Family. I respect the concept of monarchy. But I don’t think I can look at it- something I admired - quite the same- and that hurts. I thought why should a duchess with all the material comforts and more complain? But no one should endure that- no one.
I’ve never been one to ooh and ahh over people- and I’ve never been disappointed by people I admire- and it hurts. I cried.
I feel bad for the kids too. I do wonder if Harry TRULY understands what he's done. He seems to still think he can repair things. I suspect Meghan knows they're on they're own despite the "I call the Queen" line but I wonder if Harry really understands.
I think they truly love each other and will make their marriage work but if it does fall apart, Harry better be prepared. Even if you are the nicest person in the world, someone who really wants to can use half truths to make you look horrible.
5) "Oh, it all changed after Australia - they were jealous, Meghan was a star"... Uhm, yeah... Meanwhile, the BRF has carried on in a far more impactful manner during the past year than anything that H&M have done since they relocated to the States. So, yeah, nah... Keep telling yourselves that it was "the Firm" that dimmed her/their spotlight.
Finally watching the interview, here are some of my thoughts so far...
1) The racism comment - Meghan fully admits that it wasn't said to her, that Harry relayed the comment/s to her but she was never able to "follow up" on it. My take is that, at some point during her pregnancy, she and Harry were having that typical "oh, what will our baby look like" conversation and Harry probably relayed the conversation he had with a family member when they were first dating, thinking it was cute or funny and Meghan was, understandably, horrified. I think she probably explained to Harry why that question/comment bothered her coming from another member of his family and Harry realized it was an offensive question but, at the time (and still now) didn't want to openly/directly confront the family member about it.
So, what we have is Meghan being upset (and they probably had more than one conversation while she was pregnant about it) and unable to let it go. Whether her inability to let it go is healthy or good is debatable - I think there is validity in not letting it go because it is something that is hurtful and offensive to POC, but I also think there is validity in being able to let it go because sometimes it's better to just let it become water under the bridge for the overall mental health of all.
Of course, the other view is that she is unwilling to let it go because she wants to use it to present a "the BRF is racist" narrative and, frankly, it's the one that I'm more inclined to believe because of how dodgy she was with that whole line of questioning as well as Harry's response.
2) - the timeline of their "discussions to quit the BRF" - Meghan clearly says "in the 2 years we'd been talking about it" - so, they were discussing leaving before they even got married? They really thought that their status as members of the BRF would enable them to set up shop in any Commonwealth country (specifically mentioned Canada) as "non-senior Royals" who occasionally did events representing the Queen but earned their own living. These two... Really did not think any of the actual legalities through of any of what they proposed and when they got asked these questions, probably by the staff members who were working through the logistics/finances of this idea, they didn't like the response to their answers, which probably were along the lines of everything we've hashed out here at the time and over the past 1.5 years. Hah - and yeah, Charles definitely stopped taking Harry's calls when he got exasperated with Harry's over-the-top demands.
3) The Little Mermaid analogy - oh, bleh. That's such a weak analogy it's not even funny.
4) Harry has some deep-seated mental health issues that he has never worked through. Why couldn't he admit to his family that Meghan was suffering so much mental health trauma? And, boy, is he a narcissistic little man-child. I'm more convinced than ever that all Meghan did was enable Harry to do what he's wanted to do for years - leave. In that regard, I don't necessarily hold her accountable or blame her.
5) "Oh, it all changed after Australia - they were jealous, Meghan was a star"... Uhm, yeah... Meanwhile, the BRF has carried on in a far more impactful manner during the past year than anything that H&M have done since they relocated to the States. So, yeah, nah... Keep telling yourselves that it was "the Firm" that dimmed her/their spotlight.
6) LOL@ Meghan being willing to sacrifice her & Archie's safety/security "as long as you keep my husband safe and don't remove his security". Okay, then...
7) I'm seeing some of those micro-expressions Muhler referenced. When Meghan was talking about how she received no "training" on how to be a royal, Harry starts to clarify and she reaches over to touch his hand and keep him from speaking. No, no, no, this is clearly Meghan's story to tell, and he is only there to support her version.
8) Did Oprah really not research Harry's previous interviews before this one? Harry's given multiple interviews in the past where he's said if he could, he'd run off to Africa, but he couldn't because of his loyalty/duty to his father/brother. So, yeah, not really, again, buying that Meghan is solely responsible for Sussexit. Harry was, 100%, I agree, fully complicit. He just didn't get any of what he thought he was going to get by virtue of being... HRH Prince Harry Son of Diana? He is most certainly his mother's son.
9) I'd be hard-pressed, if I was either William or Charles (or most of the rest of the BRF) to not tell Harry to "lose my number". Especially with his "I'm trying to educate them in much the same way I've been educated" comment. ? Yeah, there's a reason why your relationship with William right now is "space" and I suspect that it will be a very, very long time before any wounds are healed.
10) Back to some of those micro-expressions - Oh, when Harry clarified the "what will your babies look like" question... Meghan turned to Oprah and her face was "oh, sh*t, is she going to ask me a follow-up to clarify the timing of those conversations?"
11) "Life is about storytelling, right? About the stories we tell ourselves, the stories we're told, what we buy into, and for us to be able to have storytelling through a truthful lens, that's hopefully uplifting, is gonna be great, knowing how many people that can land with and being able to give a voice to a lot of people that are underrepresented and aren't really heard." And there you have it... It's all about "storytelling, what we buy into, from a truthful lens"
12) "All those things I was hoping for have happened" - oh, there are going to be Meghan detractors who make much of that...
I just have a hard time believing the racism. Because if the monarchy- the system - not the members- were racist why wouldn’t the people do something?
I have and still respect the members of the Royal Family. I respect the concept of monarchy. But I don’t think I can look at it- something I admired - quite the same- and that hurts. I thought why should a duchess with all the material comforts and more complain? But no one should endure that- no one.
I’ve never been one to ooh and ahh over people- and I’ve never been disappointed by people I admire- and it hurts. I cried.
I think they love each other as well and I think they'll most likely stay together.
5) "Oh, it all changed after Australia - they were jealous, Meghan was a star"
I'm damned good at spotting micro-expressions! And I saw them...
They might stay together, but I don't think Meghan really loves Harry, otherwise she wouldn't encourage him to do this kind of interview with her, airing private family grievances on national TV, accusing his family of being racist, failing to get her help when she was suicidal. These are extremely serious accusations that will estrange Harry from his family even farther. It's like she wants him to cut off his family the way she seemingly has cut off hers.
Yeah, that was crazy! Why would anyone be jealous of the positive press that Meghan received? I imagine that Charles, William, Camilla and yes, Kate would be happy because that mean that more people could share a piece of the pie (i.e. making these royal tours). It would make them a formidable couple in supporting Charles and later William. If Meghan and Harry are successful than EVERYONE is succesful.
If they are talking Meghan they are not talking about Kate. And she can focus on her children and her patronages.
Does he really think that his family is that petty?
WHY OF COURSE HE DOES.
He is such a disgrace and yet he will blame everyone and not realize what he has done.
Right? If she was that much of a success right out of the gate on her first tour, I would have been all "Great! Keep your passport handy!" and sent them out on as many foreign tours as possible, at least 2/yr, to ensure that the Commonwealth still loved the BRF and didn't decide to jump ship to becoming republics after the Queen passes.
Yesterday, right after it aired, the US side support for H&M was overwhelming on social media. Today, still on US side, it seems much more balanced. Main issue that people have with it is why the tell-all, what's to be gained from this, why throw a family under the bus, why not focus on the positive aspects of one's life and "freedom"...
I was reading the comments section of the New Yorker account on social media on an article about this and found most people completely against someone airing their family's dirty laundry in public.
I recall being outraged by both Meghan's father and sister's inability to shut up in the lead up the wedding and thinking how utterly terrible it is to speak about family problems to the public. Even the Kardashians are not this disloyal. Now I see Meghan is doing the same, and this is really the root of my issue with what they've done.
Harry is often called his mother's son, but I also think Meghan is definitely her father's daughter.
I feel bad for the kids too. I do wonder if Harry TRULY understands what he's done. He seems to still think he can repair things. I suspect Meghan knows they're on they're own despite the "I call the Queen" line but I wonder if Harry really understands.