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Old 03-05-2021, 06:52 AM
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I am sorry that the interview with Oprah was recorded some time ago. Meghan and Harry probably "held their fire" and are now regretting it. I think that what is coming out now in the form of attacks on them only proves that they were right in leaving royal life.
I don't think they regret doing the interview. Everything coming out now from the allegations and accusations is precisely why they needed to do the interview.
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Old 03-05-2021, 06:59 AM
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I don't think they regret doing the interview. Everything coming out now from the allegations and accusations is precisely why they needed to do the interview.
That could be looked at another way that the stories are only coming out because they are doing the interview. Maybe others wanted their side out as well. Although I wondered if it was more to do with the legal case against the Mail. Certain members of the team were to be called as witnesses if it went to court , maybe they wanted their day. Just a thought.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:06 AM
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We've seen enough of the bits of the interview to know what it's about. It's a whinefest about how hard their (rich) lives are. It reminds me of the interview in Africa where they went to some of the poorest nations in the world, spoke with disadvantaged people then gave an interview about how hard life was - for them! Can you imagine if Chelsy Davy had married Harry and behaved how Meghan is behaving that anyone would have had sympathy for her?
They've released two brief clips and a trailer that's been sharply angled and edited out of context to create suspense and attract viewers. Are you seriously arguing that one can make any kind of conclusion about the content of this two hour programme on the basis of that?

It's all in the eye of the beholder. None of the clips released gives me the impression that they're "whining". They're talking about their experiences. I don't see where they're negating other people's problems? Your post suggests to me that you've already made your mind up about the interview on the basis of a pre-existing bias against them. If that's the case, I suppose anything they'd say would be perceived negatively.

Chelsy Davy is brought up a lot around here. I'm not entirely sure why.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:10 AM
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But that has been the issue from day 1 right? Even with other members of the royal family and the criticism and harassment they received. It was Diana and Catherine...the knives were out for those women marrying into the royal family while the male members seem to get a free pass. Even if the couple did an act- it was always the woman that was criticized. It's all part of the sexist agenda of the press
I agree with you that the press, particularly the tabloid have been very harsh on women, particularly wife of a public figure (Cherie Blair or Carrie Symonds). However, there seem to be less men married into a senior female working royal that is in the direct line of succession and expected to take up royal duty. The last royal men to do so is Prince Philip. Mark Phillips and Angus Ogilvy were not working royals. Prince Philip himself faced criticism not just from the press, but also amongst public, mainly because of his "German" background and his sisters' marriage.

Perhaps Oprah might ask about the Tabloid's constant comparison between Catherine and Meghan?

Since Charles only has sons, it would be unfair to compare Catherine to Jack, because William is a senior working royal, while Eugenie is not. There would be a better comparison if it was Catherine and Charles' son-in-law. The same could be said for comparing Timothy Laurence (who is not a working royal) and Sophie (who is a working royal).
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:57 AM
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Doing a celebrity interview with Oprah is a mistake IMO. It's putting the spotlight on Meghan at a time when she could be quietly enjoying her family, house, garden and planning projects. By deliberately making herself front page news around the world, she's inviting accusations of narcissism and an addiction to fame. It's clear from her actions that she enjoys the limelight and has no intention of taking a backstage role in pursuing her humanitarian aims. I find it distasteful and undignified despite having huge sympathy for her in other ways (eg her treatment by the UK press has often been unkind, unfair and ugly).

Meghan and Harry's issues with the BRF & staff probably cut both ways. Meghan doesn't appear to be a team player if her role is a subordinate one. She presents herself as preferring a leadership role in developing her projects, which could be difficult at times if her plans were obstructed by protocol, a grinding pace or the need to NOT outshine the monarch & direct heirs. I'm sure she was frustrated by staff at times but similarly they were probably frustrated too by being torn between wanting to assist her while also having to tell her things she didn't want to hear.

If Meghan thinks this interview will give her the chance to "speak her truth' then she must also be prepared for the BRF to speak theirs and the result will be increasingly heightened emotions and a deeper rift. It's a mistake but I suspect it's likely to be an enduring pattern of behaviour because the lure of the limelight will be stronger than the desire to quietly build bridges.
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Old 03-05-2021, 07:58 AM
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I agree with you that the press, particularly the tabloid have been very harsh on women, particularly wife of a public figure (Cherie Blair or Carrie Symonds). However, there seem to be less men married into a senior female working royal that is in the direct line of succession and expected to take up royal duty. The last royal men to do so is Prince Philip. Mark Phillips and Angus Ogilvy were not working royals. Prince Philip himself faced criticism not just from the press, but also amongst public, mainly because of his "German" background and his sisters' marriage.

Perhaps Oprah might ask about the Tabloid's constant comparison between Catherine and Meghan?

Since Charles only has sons, it would be unfair to compare Catherine to Jack, because William is a senior working royal, while Eugenie is not. There would be a better comparison if it was Catherine and Charles' son-in-law. The same could be said for comparing Timothy Laurence (who is not a working royal) and Sophie (who is a working royal).
I would say that isn't necessary truth - in the 1980-1990's the press were absolutely horrible to Charles, Andrew and Edward. A lot of Edward's coverage would now be considered homophobic and litigious. I mean how can you forget the headline - "F**t Edward gives aids to Diana's Darlings"
David Linley, Angus Ogilvy, Mark Philips all got back coverage. I just think people don't remember if - and they have tried dirt on Mark Lawrence. It just doesn't work so they accept that he is dull.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:25 AM
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Doing a celebrity interview with Oprah is a mistake IMO. It's putting the spotlight on Meghan at a time when she could be quietly enjoying her family, house, garden and planning projects. By deliberately making herself front page news around the world, she's inviting accusations of narcissism and an addiction to fame. It's clear from her actions that she enjoys the limelight and has no intention of taking a backstage role in pursuing her humanitarian aims. I find it distasteful and undignified despite having huge sympathy for her in other ways (eg her treatment by the UK press has often been unkind, unfair and ugly).

Meghan and Harry's issues with the BRF & staff probably cut both ways. Meghan doesn't appear to be a team player if her role is a subordinate one. She presents herself as preferring a leadership role in developing her projects, which could be difficult at times if her plans were obstructed by protocol, a grinding pace or the need to NOT outshine the monarch & direct heirs. I'm sure she was frustrated by staff at times but similarly they were probably frustrated too by being torn between wanting to assist her while also having to tell her things she didn't want to hear.

If Meghan thinks this interview will give her the chance to "speak her truth' then she must also be prepared for the BRF to speak theirs and the result will be increasingly heightened emotions and a deeper rift. It's a mistake but I suspect it's likely to be an enduring pattern of behaviour because the lure of the limelight will be stronger than the desire to quietly build bridges.


I agree. I don’t think she understood, nor does she want to understand, that she was in a supporting role as wife to a spare and not star of the show.
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:49 AM
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New clip with Oprah

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...730952711?s=21

This (same) clip has commentary at the end from Gayle King

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...993668099?s=21
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Old 03-05-2021, 08:54 AM
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New clip with Oprah

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...730952711?s=21

This (same) clip has commentary at the end from Gayle King

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...993668099?s=21
I don't disagree with a thing she said. That is all true. Why would she have had a choice then?
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:01 AM
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I don't disagree with a thing she said. That is all true. Why would she have had a choice then?
Why wouldn’t she?

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Old 03-05-2021, 09:04 AM
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Why wouldn’t she?

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Because that is not the way it works in the royal family. It is a controlled life and you operate in terms of the system.

Does anyone here not get that? That they really have limited co trolled of their life?
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:05 AM
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New clip with Oprah

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...730952711?s=21

This (same) clip has commentary at the end from Gayle King

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...993668099?s=21
Lord. What a poor, poor woman, silenced by this enormous institution that limited her freedom to give an interview to Oprah! I simply cannot imagine living like that, not being able to make such noise around myself, to whine about how awful my priviledged life is to a worldwide audience, to have to consult my decisions to other people, to have them put a hold on bad ideas...

I was joking about the drinking game earlier, but if the interview will consist of things like that, I will need alcohol
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:14 AM
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Because that is not the way it works in the royal family. It is a controlled life and you operate in terms of the system.

Does anyone here not get that? That they really have limited co trolled of their life?
My reply was more to the point that as a grown adult she should be able to make that decision.

If I (average person in the midwest) can grasp that without being “handled” then so would others, especially a highly educated, experienced woman, having dealt with media and interviews before.... She was not a naive 19/20 year old.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:20 AM
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Doing a celebrity interview with Oprah is a mistake IMO. It's putting the spotlight on Meghan at a time when she could be quietly enjoying her family, house, garden and planning projects. By deliberately making herself front page news around the world, she's inviting accusations of narcissism and an addiction to fame. It's clear from her actions that she enjoys the limelight and has no intention of taking a backstage role in pursuing her humanitarian aims. I find it distasteful and undignified despite having huge sympathy for her in other ways (eg her treatment by the UK press has often been unkind, unfair and ugly).

Meghan and Harry's issues with the BRF & staff probably cut both ways. Meghan doesn't appear to be a team player if her role is a subordinate one. She presents herself as preferring a leadership role in developing her projects, which could be difficult at times if her plans were obstructed by protocol, a grinding pace or the need to NOT outshine the monarch & direct heirs. I'm sure she was frustrated by staff at times but similarly they were probably frustrated too by being torn between wanting to assist her while also having to tell her things she didn't want to hear.

If Meghan thinks this interview will give her the chance to "speak her truth' then she must also be prepared for the BRF to speak theirs and the result will be increasingly heightened emotions and a deeper rift. It's a mistake but I suspect it's likely to be an enduring pattern of behavior because the lure of the limelight will be stronger than the desire to quietly build bridges.
I could not have said it better. And honestly, I can't wait to see if the Palace speaks their truth, I just keep thinking that the Palace has been at this PR "game" a whole lot longer than Meghan.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:21 AM
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New clip with Oprah

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...730952711?s=21

This (same) clip has commentary at the end from Gayle King

https://twitter.com/cbsthismorning/s...993668099?s=21
Here's an example of how I think she's shooting herself in the foot with this interview. She thinks she sounds reasonable by saying how restricted she was before, versus how liberated she now is to speak for herself. She doesn't sound reasonable at all actually because that's the deal when you become a working member of the BRF. That's the deal. She signed up to those restrictions, that protocol and that system without anyone forcing her. In return for the influential position and the huge privileges, you relinquish your right to voice an unvetted opinion for years until you reach the status of 'National Treasure' or become heir to the throne.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:22 AM
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My reply was more to the point that as a grown adult she should be able to make that decision.

If I (average person in the midwest) can grasp that without being “handled” then so would others, especially a highly educated, experienced woman, having dealt with media and interviews before.... She was not a naive 19/20 year old.
Why did she agree to that life then? She had no problem having all the privileges, titles, houses, wedding. On other forum someone said there was never a more unsuitable person for the family and i agree with that. I just can’t wrap my head around it.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:26 AM
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Because that is not the way it works in the royal family. It is a controlled life and you operate in terms of the system.

Does anyone here not get that? That they really have limited co trolled of their life?
For probably the hundredth times - wasn't this explained to her. Didn't she see Harry do this - did she think that there was different rules for Harry then herself . Did Harry think that oh my wife will not have the same limitation of speech or as the palace sees this protection?

How is this a slight? This is how it is done in the palace to all royals - even minor ones. You cannot appear on every talk show that your little heart thinks is good, talking on every subject that pops into your head. This is not a freedom of speech obstruction or personal liberty like Meghan is claiming. The palace isn't silencing the royals by preventing them from talking to the press and public non stop - they are actually protecting the royal from themselves. Is this what this is about that Meghan thought she knew better and wasn't allowed to ?

Me thinks she is making a mountain out of a sandcastle.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:31 AM
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It has just occurred to me that maybe M&H had more than usual handling, as the palace might have seen that they needed it.
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Old 03-05-2021, 09:33 AM
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Why did she agree to that life then? She had no problem having all the privileges, titles, houses, wedding. On other forum someone said there was never a more unsuitable person for the family and i agree with that. I just can’t wrap my head around it.
Maybe that will be addressed. Perhaps she did not realize how restrictive it really was until she was in it. Knowing you cant just say whatever whenever is one thing...being handled is a different level.


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Old 03-05-2021, 09:34 AM
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Here's an example of how I think she's shooting herself in the foot with this interview. She thinks she sounds reasonable by saying how restricted she was before, versus how liberated she now is to speak for herself. She doesn't sound reasonable at all actually because that's the deal when you become a working member of the BRF. That's the deal. She signed up to those restrictions, that protocol and that system without anyone forcing her. In return for the influential position and the huge privileges, you relinquish your right to voice an unvetted opinion for years until you reach the status of 'National Treasure' or become heir to the throne.


Exactly. That was what she signed up for.

And any job you have restricts you on what you say or do anyway. Meghan can say and do exactly what she wants now because she reports to nobody. And she can afford to do so.

The rest of the world faces their own restrictions in the workplace- be it what words can or can not be on their mask or shirt at work. What they say on Facebook about...anything. It’s called real life.
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