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Old 10-04-2020, 03:41 PM
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That's a great costume design, but why is The Crown calling her 'Princess Diana'? Historical fiction, but a really simple detail to get right.

The Crown is primarily aimed at an international (especially American) audience and Princess Diana is how she was known in the US and most non-Commonwealth countries.
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Old 10-05-2020, 02:38 AM
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There is a Daily Mail article that explores the relationship between The Queen and Margaret Thatcher, ahead of the release of Season 4 of the Crown. Apparently it will cover from 1977 to 1990.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ins-right.html

It would interesting to see how The Crown portrays the relationship between The Queen and Thatcher. Previous historians and media works have shown the alleged "frosty" atmosphere in the weekly meetings between the Queen and her Prime Minister. However, Peter Morgan, The Crown's writer have described them as "twins who are not the same". Lord Powell, Mrs Thatcher’s most senior foreign affairs adviser, described a warm relationship, especially at Lady Thatcher’s 80th birthday party.

I personally think The Queen actually likes Thatcher, despite their differences. The two main reasons are
  • The Queen awarded Thatcher the Order of the Garter and the Order of Merit
  • The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh attended Thatcher's funeral. The only other Prime Minister's funeral that The Queen attended was Winston Churchill
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Old 10-05-2020, 03:27 AM
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They supposedly had a frosty relationship during the period Thatcher was in office. I can't see what secret sources the creators of Netflix have used to come to an alternate view. A view that AFAIK has not been supported by any author, journalist etc. of repute for the last 4 decades.

It seems more that the creators of the series want to square the circle that two conservative symbols must have had a good relationship, otherwise their viewers may get confused. The author does not give any evidence whatsoever for his theory other than some arm chair psychology.

That the writer of the series calls them twins confirms what was already known, namely that 'The Crown' is a piece of fiction loosely based on real events.
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:32 AM
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I always thought that the chill between the Queen and Thatcher had most all to do with lifestyles. Thatcher did not enjoy Balmoral at all. I always assumed the lack of comfortable heat, fustiness and isolation were her sticking points. JMO from things I have read over the years.
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Old 10-05-2020, 09:42 AM
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I read that on her stays at Balmoral Mrs Thatcher, while perfectly pleasant, brought papers with her from London to work on while she was there and wasn't really interested in any country pursuits on offer, leaving the Queen taken aback. I presume Denis Thatcher went on long walks etc though.
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Old 10-07-2020, 09:21 AM
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Hugo Vickers on why he dislikes the Crown Netflix series- interesting talk :


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Old 10-09-2020, 10:57 AM
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Tatler Articles on Season 4 The Crown

Some more pictures of Diane, Princess of Wales in The Crown Season 4. The Tatler article mainly focuses on Diana's outfit.
https://www.tatler.com/gallery/the-c...-diana-outfits

Of Course, some of these pictures were from an older article: https://www.tatler.com/article/the-crown-season-4

Tatler has also release an article on the relationship between The Queen and Margaret Thatcher. Apologies for repeating myself.
https://www.tatler.com/article/the-q...r-relationship
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Old 10-10-2020, 08:29 AM
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Old 10-10-2020, 10:06 AM
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There is a Daily Mail article that explores the relationship between The Queen and Margaret Thatcher, ahead of the release of Season 4 of the Crown. Apparently it will cover from 1977 to 1990.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ins-right.html

It would interesting to see how The Crown portrays the relationship between The Queen and Thatcher. Previous historians and media works have shown the alleged "frosty" atmosphere in the weekly meetings between the Queen and her Prime Minister. However, Peter Morgan, The Crown's writer have described them as "twins who are not the same". Lord Powell, Mrs Thatcher’s most senior foreign affairs adviser, described a warm relationship, especially at Lady Thatcher’s 80th birthday party.

I personally think The Queen actually likes Thatcher, despite their differences. The two main reasons are
  • The Queen awarded Thatcher the Order of the Garter and the Order of Merit
  • The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh attended Thatcher's funeral. The only other Prime Minister's funeral that The Queen attended was Winston Churchill

The Queen also allegedly made an offer to make Mrs Thatcher a countess, which she declined as far as I understand.
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Old 10-13-2020, 07:52 PM
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Season 4 Teaser

Netflix UK & Ireland has released a short video, containing multiple mini clips of the Crown, mainly focusing on Charles and Diana
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“Here is the stuff of which fairy tales are made.” Hmm, OK.
The Crown S4, coming 15 Nov.
1:00 AM · Oct 14, 2020·Twitter Media Studio

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Bonus teaser fact: The voice you can hear throughout this piece is the ~actual~ Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, from the ~actual~ speech he gave during Charles and Diana’s wedding. (Sorry if that’s a spoiler.)
1:03 AM · Oct 14, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/NetflixUK/status...15931798122497

This is also part of the official teaser for Season 4


Tatler has also updated the Crown Season 4 page
https://www.tatler.com/article/the-crown-season-4
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Old 10-18-2020, 07:18 PM
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The Crown official twitter page has released a series of "posters"

https://twitter.com/TheCrownNetflix/...27705400852480
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Old 10-18-2020, 07:28 PM
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Netflix UK & Ireland has released a short video, containing multiple mini clips of the Crown, mainly focusing on Charles and Diana
Netflix UK & Ireland @NetflixUK
“Here is the stuff of which fairy tales are made.” Hmm, OK.
The Crown S4, coming 15 Nov.
1:00 AM · Oct 14, 2020·Twitter Media Studio

Netflix UK & Ireland @NetflixUK
Replying to @NetflixUK
Bonus teaser fact: The voice you can hear throughout this piece is the ~actual~ Archbishop of Canterbury, Robert Runcie, from the ~actual~ speech he gave during Charles and Diana’s wedding. (Sorry if that’s a spoiler.)
1:03 AM · Oct 14, 2020·Twitter Web App
https://twitter.com/NetflixUK/status...15931798122497

This is also part of the official teaser for Season 4


Tatler has also updated the Crown Season 4 page
https://www.tatler.com/article/the-crown-season-4

If you go the YouTube page, the most common comment seems to be that the Netflix teaser looked like a trailer for a horror movie. I quite agree, especially with that Dracula-like voice of the archbishop on the background.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:55 PM
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The Crown official twitter page has released a series of "posters"

https://twitter.com/TheCrownNetflix/...27705400852480
The glare of Tobias Menzies as Prince Philip
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If you go the YouTube page, the most common comment seems to be that the Netflix teaser looked like a trailer for a horror movie. I quite agree, especially with that Dracula-like voice of the archbishop on the background.
Very good uses of dramatic irony and foreshadowing, considering they're not exactly portraying something cheery.

This has long been seen as the season where "sh-- gets real".
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Old 10-19-2020, 05:32 PM
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I wonder whether they will include any of Archbishop Runcie's reservations about the union and the couple he was marrying.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/runc...future-1.84679
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Old 10-19-2020, 05:41 PM
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"Ms Parker Bowles will not marry the prince despite the end of his marriage, the Sun newspaper says today. She had come to the reluctant conclusion after a series of heart to heart meetings with the prince, the paper says."

That part, at least, did not hold up.

Not even Runcie held the authority to advise them not to get married (certainly not to stop the marriage) and he seems to have thought they would adjust. It's an interesting article, though, moreso in hindsight.
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Old 10-19-2020, 08:52 PM
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Certainly in hindsight it seems obvious that Runcie's wedding address was written and delivered as a cautionary warning to Charles and Diana in pointing out the serious nature of matrimony and emphasizing what being married truly entails. It seems that Runcie was worried but also hopeful that they might both adjust to the marriage. Of course, we know now that even Diana was having second thoughts and reservations, but her sisters told her it was 'too late' to back out, humorously making reference to her face being on the 'tea towels.'

For Diana's grandmother, Lady Fermoy, to suggest that "Diana would never be under control until she fell in love with someone," truly and harshly ignores the fact that Diana did believe she was in love. What she actually needed and as we now know, hopelessly hoped for, was that someone (indeed her husband) would love her back unconditionally! That's the stickler. Fermoy should have been more compassionate toward her granddaughter, Diana, and less accepting of Charles' infidelities. They all knew that Charles was in love with Camilla Parker Bowles and that he was 'depressed' over in essence being strong-armed to marry Diana, and do his duty!

Runcie looking down on Diana over a decade later and calling her an "actress and a schemer," is the classic case of 'blaming the victim.' Diana was essentially just out of teenage-hood. She was led down the St. Paul's Cathedral aisle like a lamb to the slaughter. It's not her fault that she had to weather the royal storm and to grow up isolated within the gilded cage of the British royal family. Certainly, she was not perfect, but who is? Diana did the best she could to survive and to find her own identity and to discover and embrace her womanhood, at the same time she was drowning in that antiquated system. She made mistakes, but I admire her for her empathy and compassion for others, and for fighting back and never succumbing to being abused, dismissed, and minimized.

There's been so much nonsense by RR and royal commentators these days about the importance of choosing monarchical duty over love. All the tragic evidence we've seen in the British royal family and most recently in the Belgian royal family suggests to me that sanity, love and personal happiness should come before blind and miserable submission to an ancient, unforgiving institution. BTW, my comments have nothing to do with Edward VIII's abdication. The Duke of Windsor was unsuited to be King. Far from being 'in love' with Wallis Simpson, he was pathetically obsessed with Wallis Simpson due to his own sad pathologies rooted in childhood abuse (by nannies) and neglect by his parents who although they loved their children, were unable to demonstrate and express their love.

It will be interesting to see how The Crown seasons 4 and 5 will deal with the multi-layered and unforgettable story of Diana and her influence and impact on the royal family at that point in history. Since it is a dramatization, the production is bound to over-focus on some conflicts and to not necessarily get the gist and details of every occurrence exactly right.
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Also, Runcie's reference to Diana being a 'schemer,' simply highlights the fact that it was actually the Queen Mother and Lady Fermoy who were the schemers. If Diana later had the grit and gumption to rebel and to try and 'scheme' her way out of something suffocating and dehumanizing that she had been 'schemed' into as a teenager, so be it. Chickens always come home to roost.
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:45 AM
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I know this article is based on speculation and rumours from The Daily Mail and The Sun, but I think Tatler is making it tongue in cheek or even "taking a micky" out of the drama surrounding Dominic West and The Daily Mail and The Sun. I actually laughed at the title and the blurb below that answers the question!

Is Dominic West really going to play Prince Charles in The Crown?
Surely not
https://www.tatler.com/article/domin...rles-the-crown

The article however did stated that Australian actress Elizabeth Debicki is set to play Diana, Princess of Wales in Season 5 & 6.
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I could not envisage Dominic West playing the Prince of Wales not in a million years.
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