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Old 10-20-2019, 08:52 AM
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The reporting is 6 weeks off, not unlike how the Cambridges regularly take off several weeks to "focus on their family" during term breaks. The Wessexes do the same.

Not 6 weeks abroad, in the US or where-ever. I imagine they will go to the US to see Doria but nothing indicates they are staying for longer than a holiday. Meghan also has visa requirements to contend with in terms of how much she can be out of country.

And I think taking some time away will be good for them. They took time off this summer but were still doing work bts (Meghan was working on Smart Works and doing Vogue). Some time off to recalibrate, re-focus and hopefully have the media leave them alone (fat chance) will be good. And November-January is a slower period anyway for the young royals, especially from mid-Dec on.

These two are such assets for the family. Its really a shame to see them being treated this way, especially Meghan. Disgusting really.

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It is not just that. The DM is (maybe maliciously) playing up Meghan's (out of context) quote that she is "existing, not living", which, put that way, sounds extremely insentitive and out of touch when there are millions of people in the world who have barely any food to eat, no access to medicines, drinking water, education, etc. Even in the UK, there are many struggling working class families and the country is in the middle of political upheaval and deeply divided.



Again, it is all out of context and maliciously played up, but that is how many people will see it.
Which is exactly the point Harry made in his statement. The tabloid media has their agenda and its been clear that agenda has been to destroy Meghan. I am not being hyperbolic. This isn't about testing her, its about getting her out.

And it plays for their base. They are fomenting so much hate it is honestly frightening. Other members who have been accused of actual crimes don't drive this much media hate. One article about Meghan got over 25k comments (from a screenshot I saw, I stopped going to the DM awhile ago)! I've never seen that before not even about Brexit for goodness.

Its terrible to see.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:00 AM
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The six week break to regroup seems very sensible to me if what we are mainly considering is the Sussex couple's emotional and mental health. They are clearly both under a great deal of strain, and that is not sustainable over the course of their working life.

However, I question whether a break of six weeks is really going to solve anything in the long term if Harry and Meghan are both really as close to the edge as the clips and printed interviews we have seen so far indicate. That seems very much like a bandaid on a much larger and more comprehensive problem. I'm beginning to wonder if a longer, working retreat to Africa might not actually be an excellent solution for a couple of years. I can see the appeal: it would move them a little bit out of the limelight, and perhaps give them time to regain some equilibrium. I speculated about that when the rumor first came up several months ago, and it certainly has some positive aspects now.

On the negative side, the need for a six week break when they've barely started working again after Meghan's maternity leave is not a good sign and unfortunately also feeds into some negative narratives.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:04 AM
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The six week break to regroup seems very sensible to me if what we are mainly considering is the Sussex couple's emotional and mental health. They are clearly both under a great deal of strain, and that is not sustainable over the course of their working life.

However, I question whether a break of six weeks is really going to solve anything in the long term if Harry and Meghan are both really as close to the edge as the clips and printed interviews we have seen so far indicate. That seems very much like a bandaid on a much larger and more comprehensive problem. I'm beginning to wonder if a longer, working retreat to Africa might not actually be an excellent solution for a couple of years. I can see the appeal: it would move them a little bit out of the limelight, and perhaps give them time to regain some equilibrium. I speculated about that when the rumor first came up several months ago, and it certainly has some positive aspects now.

On the negative side, the need for a six week break when they've barely started working again after Meghan's maternity leave is not a good sign and unfortunately also feeds into some negative narratives.
Meghan is still technically on maternity leave. You get 11 months in the UK. Her not being back fully shouldn't be an issue and taking additional time off to focus on the family also shouldn't be. Same with Harry who worked throughout the summer as well.

Other royals in the past have taken long leaves between engagements to focus on their families. The 6 weeks for the Sussexes shouldn't actually be an issue. Especially since Meghan has already done so much in the 1.5 years she's been in the family.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:10 AM
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Meghan is still technically on maternity leave. You get 11 months in the UK. Her not being back fully shouldn't be an issue and taking additional time off to focus on the family also shouldn't be. Same with Harry who worked throughout the summer as well.

Other royals in the past have taken long leaves between engagements to focus on their families. The 6 weeks for the Sussexes shouldn't actually be an issue. Especially since Meghan has already done so much in the 1.5 years she's been in the family.
As I said, I think it's a good idea for them personally. But there's a huge difference in "shouldn't be an issue" and how this all feeds into the narrative that is beginning to develop around the strain they are under. To be clear, I think they are wise to take some time off and lay low, and a break longer than six weeks might not even be a bad idea, but we'll see how this ends up affecting them in the longer term.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:32 AM
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Taking a little break would be for them - as a family. Although it won’t cool things down. How do I know this? Because Meghan was away for months on maternity leave and the outside forces treated her like she was out in public and was committing crimes right before their very eyes.

Nothing will change unless these crazy attitudes towards this woman change.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:34 AM
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Okay, my friends:



I can’t believe this is happening to this couple. I can’t believe this has been allowed to happen without an ounce of support from the family. I’m too emotional about all this, so I’m just gonna let you guys read Tom’s article.
How do you know the family is not supporting them? Maybe they are not listening. Don’t blame the family until you have heard from everyone.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:42 AM
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The six week break to regroup seems very sensible to me if what we are mainly considering is the Sussex couple's emotional and mental health. They are clearly both under a great deal of strain, and that is not sustainable over the course of their working life.

However, I question whether a break of six weeks is really going to solve anything in the long term if Harry and Meghan are both really as close to the edge as the clips and printed interviews we have seen so far indicate. That seems very much like a bandaid on a much larger and more comprehensive problem. I'm beginning to wonder if a longer, working retreat to Africa might not actually be an excellent solution for a couple of years. I can see the appeal: it would move them a little bit out of the limelight, and perhaps give them time to regain some equilibrium. I speculated about that when the rumor first came up several months ago, and it certainly has some positive aspects now.

On the negative side, the need for a six week break when they've barely started working again after Meghan's maternity leave is not a good sign and unfortunately also feeds into some negative narratives.

I agree that the couple clearly need time off to rest and relax together and consider if time outside of the UK is what is best for their family, their Commonwealth work etc..IMHO since Harry's made a public statement about the possibility of living in South Africa this tells me that the BRF has been supportive of the idea.
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:52 AM
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How do you know the family is not supporting them? Maybe they are not listening. Don’t blame the family until you have heard from everyone.
Heard from everyone? Not one member of that family nor their aides have said anything about the smear campaign that has hit Meghan. Not one. They can clearly see it happening. They read the papers. They know what’s going on with the social media outlets. No one has pushed back against the nasty treatment Meghan is suffering from. They can say something. They have ways to make it known to the press that this behavior isn’t unacceptable. They haven’t done jack about any of this.

All this silence from the family hasn’t done anything but give people the room and permission to continue with the abuse.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:00 AM
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Heard from everyone? Not one member of that family nor their aides have said anything about the smear campaign that has hit Meghan. Not one. They can clearly see it happening. They read the papers. They know what’s going on with the social media outlets. No one has pushed back against the nasty treatment Meghan is suffering from. They can say something. They have ways to make it known to the press that this behavior isn’t unacceptable. They haven’t done jack about any of this.
But at different times , certain Royal members have been attacked by the press , blogs , and forum such as these. Nothing have been publicly said. So you’re saying they should now start changing how they do things.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:05 AM
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I really like Harry and Meghan, admire their work and sympathize with what they’ve gone through.

But- I admit- my first thought on taking 6 weeks off because they’ve had a hard time is: must be nice to have that option.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:11 AM
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I don't think the couple are going anywhere permanently, either. And Bradby has stated that Harry acknowledges that a home in Africa (or anywhere else permanently) would be 'difficult if not impossible.'

Harry loves Africa and feels a connection to it, (and it's not the Africa of 'safaris' either.) He's been out in the bush for weeks each year for several years helping to move elephants from one location to the next. That's not safari work. However he knows he can't live there permanently.

And the argument that now the Cambridges have three children there's no role for Harry or for Meghan doesn't stack up either. George is the eldest at just six.

Unless they are all going to be full time royals in their mid teens while still at school there's going to be at least about twenty years before any of the three assume that role. And the two younger ones may not want to anyway.

If George follows his father's route when his grandfather is King, there will be university followed by several years in the armed services. That's not conducive to full time Royal work, as we know. So it may well be in his late twenties before George assumes full time duties.

And the last time I looked YouGov polls taken earlier this year, had Harry up there in popularity with his grandmother, so I don't know where the idea that the British public dislikes Harry comes from either.
My family and I visited London this summer and asked our tour guide about the perception of Harry and Meghan among the public, since it seems they are so demonized by the press. She said that the majority of the public either couldn’t care less about the royal family so they don’t have an opinion either way OR they have a positive view of the RF and Harry and Meghan. It’s the press that has the issue. The press likes having someone to make the villain because it increases the drama factor. Sarah Ferguson and Camilla have been past examples, and now they’ve picked Meghan because she’s American, she was an actress, she comes from humble roots, and she wants to do things differently than they’ve been done in the past in terms of her royal role, her activism, and how she and Harry are raising their child. She said that the press also loves Kate and has for years, so pitting them against each other and creating all of this “conflict” that doesn’t actually exist is part of their plan to drum up drama and attention.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:12 AM
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Parental leave in the UK for childbirth is eleven months. Archie is not yet six months old.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:24 AM
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if they are planning time off, i think that is the best move they could take and will be time well spent. their actions lately haven't been what is expected of them and i think them taking time off - whether in africa or elsewhere - is probably a good action on them to meditate how to move forward. this, to me, should include a reflection on their actions, on those of their staff, and on how to move forward in their life as royals, if that is the path they chose to continue in.

it is fair to say that no other royal couple has received as much criticism and bad rapport as this one. i doubt this is simply the fault of the press and their reporting, including claims of 'journalists bullying' made by harry recently.

we will see what happens i guess in a few weeks, if these rumours are confirmed, but it is sounding the more likely by the day.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:25 AM
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But at different times , certain Royal members have been attacked by the press , blogs , and forum such as these. Nothing have been publicly said. So you’re saying they should now start changing how they do things.
There were rumors about other members of the family this year and those rumors got push back from the palace. Meghan actually have a major smear campaign launched against her and there’s been nothing but absolute silence from the family, palace and aides.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:25 AM
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Parental leave in the UK for childbirth is eleven months. Archie is not yet six months old.
Maternity Leave is 52 weeks, Paternity Leave is 2 weeks.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:27 AM
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I really like Harry and Meghan, admire their work and sympathize with what they’ve gone through.

But- I admit- my first thought on taking 6 weeks off because they’ve had a hard time is: must be nice to have that option.
Don't look at others through your lenses. Every people in France are entitled to 5 weeks paid vacations per year for instance. In the EU it is a minimum of 4 weeks paid vacations for member states.

There is nothing outrageous here, that just the well off benefit of.
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Old 10-20-2019, 10:39 AM
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Don't look at others through your lenses. Every people in France are entitled to 5 weeks paid vacations per year for instance. In the EU it is a minimum of 4 weeks paid vacations for member states.



There is nothing outrageous here, that just the well off benefit of.


I don’t think it’s outrageous. I’m just saying a lot of people don’t get that. It’s simply not an option. It’s a reminder that Meghan and Harry have some nice benefits. They have dealt with a lot of garbage from the press, but there is a lot of privilege there too.

Americans have 10 vacation days per year- with room for more depending on career longevity, etc. Not that I like that. But we don’t get much time off. So- 6 weeks in a row is unimaginable.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:07 AM
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Marriage is hard, having a baby is hard and moving to a new home is too. In fact I believe studies have shown that causes some of the biggest stress one can experience. Add to that actually moving to another country and way of life. Harry and Meghan seem well prepared to handle that. However, when you add to that the almost non stop attacks from some quarters of the royal reporters something has to give.

These are real people with real feelings not puppets. They want to live their lives and do their work. What I am trying to say is what is the endgame of this segment of the media. I get it they want a whipping post for clicks, but at what cost? Are Harry and Meghan expected to "dance" to the media's tune in hopes for peace?

I think Harry and Meghan knew they would have challenges and are committed and mature enough to face them. However, the attacks are non stop. They have some strong support with areas of the public. I think they need a break. I also think that someone in the family needs to speak up. The Queen did it early in Charles and Diana's marriage (does wine gums ring a bell). Charles or William would be ideal.

I will reserve other comments until I am able to see the documentary.
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:07 AM
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Harry and Meghan: An African Journey - Tonight on ITV1 9pm BST
https://www.itv.com/hub/tv-guide

For those viewers outside the U.K.-
https://tvpc.us/player/?cid=62
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Old 10-20-2019, 11:08 AM
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I worked in banking and had 2 weeks my first year (plus all the holidays) and more every year. Some jobs allow for more or even less (5 days vacation plus sick/personal days etc). Just depends on the job.
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