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Old 10-18-2019, 05:27 AM
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Emotional outbursts like at the WellChild gala or the latest comments clearly show that Harry still has massive issues that need to be addressed.
The brothers came forward, what was a good thing, but at some point the past is the past and even if you are unable to move on in certain aspects, what is understandable, it is more helpful to address these aspects in private.
You can't have it both ways. If you feel tortured by cameras, don't feed them with dramatic personal statements.
I feel very irritated by the constant bringing up of Diana, even more so as the issue of Diana and the press was far from black and white, good and bad. It is far too complex to just mention it every step along the way.
I really hope he finds peace one day but it is time now to address any shortcomings in private, especially any issues that are related to the difficult and unique storyline of Diana.
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Old 10-18-2019, 08:46 AM
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Whoís tagging him as the crazy prince?





Well actually yes. As soon as Henry and his family become private citizens they have frankly a much better chance with the press.

Also nobody suggested he give up his HRH.

Even if he became plain Mr Harry Windsor and moved to the U.S. and worked at a bank ...the media will never leave him and his wife/children alone. He is still who he is.



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Old 10-18-2019, 08:50 AM
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Emotional outbursts like at the WellChild gala or the latest comments clearly show that Harry still has massive issues that need to be addressed.
The brothers came forward, what was a good thing, but at some point the past is the past and even if you are unable to move on in certain aspects, what is understandable, it is more helpful to address these aspects in private.
You can't have it both ways. If you feel tortured by cameras, don't feed them with dramatic personal statements.
I feel very irritated by the constant bringing up of Diana, even more so as the issue of Diana and the press was far from black and white, good and bad. It is far too complex to just mention it every step along the way.
I really hope he finds peace one day but it is time now to address any shortcomings in private, especially any issues that are related to the difficult and unique storyline of Diana.

Of course he has issues...it's not been that long ago he finally started to seek professional help. My guess is he is still going to counseling of some sort ...this is often a process not a 'cure' where all the sudden you are better.

I also wonder if he's decided to show more emotion in order to perhaps say hey ..this is really hurting. In efforts to evoke some compassion and perhaps some will reconsider their actions.

As far as Diana goes...have you been on Twitter while the Cambridges are in Pakistan? You can hardly see a pic posted of them without some RR or Photographer posting 'Here's the pic I took of his mother X years ago' in the same place etc etc.

They went years not talking about her and it made little difference when it came to media attention to her past activities.




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Old 10-18-2019, 09:21 AM
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I really hope this interview with Meghan and Harry doesn’t turn into a ‘woe is us, we have it so hard’ type of thing.

Using certain segments of the media to slag off unfavourable press won’t win many people over.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:08 AM
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Another short clip:
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I really hope this interview with Meghan and Harry doesn’t turn into a ‘woe is us, we have it so hard’ type of thing.

Using certain segments of the media to slag off unfavourable press won’t win many people over.
They’re mostly talking about the hurtful abuse they’ve been put through by the press. It’s not about “woe is us, we have it hard.” It’s about real feelings, real life, real human beings.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:31 AM
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Even if he became plain Mr Harry Windsor and moved to the U.S. and worked at a bank ...the media will never leave him and his wife/children alone. He is still who he is.







LaRae


Except as a private citizen he has more rights than as he is now. Media can try and never leave him alone, but he can get restraining orders, bans an such which he canít now because heís a public person.

Re: the interviews that are being given. Iím just wholly confused right now. They scream for privacy and then pour their hearts out. Perhaps itís an attempt to appeal to the press, for them to understand how it truly is affecting them.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:45 AM
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Except as a private citizen he has more rights than as he is now. Media can try and never leave him alone, but he can get restraining orders, bans an such which he can’t now because he’s a public person.

Re: the interviews that are being given. I’m just wholly confused right now. They scream for privacy and then pour their hearts out. Perhaps it’s an attempt to appeal to the press, for them to understand how it truly is affecting them.
The British royals has never had it easy, but what we’ve witnessed Meghan go through is entirely on a different level. I know nothing about how it’s like to be publicly smeared in such a horrible and unfair manner, but going by the emotions of Meghan, and Harry having to watch it, it all must be extremely hard.

Harry is trying to protect Meghan from it and that’s his job and he should. But it must be extremely upsetting when parts of the outside forces (press) don’t accept your wife and don’t like you for publicly coming to her defense.

I wish the campaign would stop and everyone just focus on the work Meghan and Harry are doing as senior royals. Criticism is okay. No one is above it, but a smear campaign is different and no one deserves that.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:56 AM
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The British royals has never had it easy, but what weíve witnessed Meghan go through is entirely on a different level. I know nothing about how itís like to be publicly smeared in such a horrible and unfair manner, but going by the emotions of Meghan, and Harry having to watch it, it all must be extremely hard.

Harry is trying to protect Meghan from it and thatís his job and he should. But it must be extremely upsetting when parts of the outside forces (press) donít accept your wife and donít like you for publicly coming to her defense.

I wish the campaign would stop and everyone just focus on the work Meghan and Harry are doing as senior royals. Criticism is okay. No one is above it, but a smear campaign is different and no one deserves that.
I think a large part of the problem is that the really over-the-top negativity is not coming from the press: it's coming from hate-blogs, Instagram, Twitter, and comment sections, and no number of lawsuits, or appeals for sympathy are going to affect those. I have seen posters come on this and other forums outraged at the media, and ascribing some really vile comments to the tabloids, and then I read the article, and it isn't good, but it's nowhere near the level of horrible that is being ascribed to it. In fact, it seems pretty much business as usual. Then you see those stories expanded, explicated, exaggerated and perpetuated on social media and hate blogs, and it's at a whole different level. The tabloid press is an easy target, and I'm definitely not defending them, but the really awful, awful stuff is not in the press, it's from other sources, and it's affecting not just royals, but a lot of other segments of our society. I have no answers, but I think the problem, and it is a problem, is unfortunately very much larger than the tabloid press.
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:56 AM
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:07 AM
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I think a large part of the problem is that the really over-the-top negativity is not coming from the press: it's coming from hate-blogs, Instagram, Twitter, and comment sections, and no number of lawsuits, or appeals for sympathy are going to affect those. I have seen posters come on this and other forums outraged at the media, and ascribing some really vile comments to the tabloids, and then I read the article, and it isn't good, but it's nowhere near the level of horrible that is being ascribed to it. In fact, it seems pretty much business as usual. Then you see those stories expanded, explicated, exaggerated and perpetuated on social media and hate blogs, and it's at a whole different level. The tabloid press is an easy target, and I'm definitely not defending them, but the really awful, awful stuff is not in the press, it's from other sources, and it's affecting not just royals, but a lot of other segments of our society. I have no answers, but I think the problem, and it is a problem, is unfortunately very much larger than the tabloid press.
Parts of the outside forces (press) have publicly smeared Meghan and parts of social media has helped fuel it. Some parts of the press has been doing this since Meghan entered Harry’s life. The campaign really caught fire after the Sussexes tour of Australia and New Zealand. The woman was pregnant, on maternity leave and then was at home taking care of her new born and folks within the press and on the net just lost their damn minds.

I came on here and said, “something has got to give” because I could clearly see the mess was uncontrollably snowballing. This isn’t some exaggeration. Go back and look at the coverage while Meghan was away and you’ll see what I’m talking about. I knew Harry was going to say something again and it happened.

Problem is some think what is taking place is normal. It isn’t.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:11 AM
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I think a large part of the problem is that the really over-the-top negativity is not coming from the press: it's coming from hate-blogs, Instagram, Twitter, and comment sections, and no number of lawsuits, or appeals for sympathy are going to affect those. I have seen posters come on this and other forums outraged at the media, and ascribing some really vile comments to the tabloids, and then I read the article, and it isn't good, but it's nowhere near the level of horrible that is being ascribed to it. In fact, it seems pretty much business as usual. Then you see those stories expanded, explicated, exaggerated and perpetuated on social media and hate blogs, and it's at a whole different level. The tabloid press is an easy target, and I'm definitely not defending them, but the really awful, awful stuff is not in the press, it's from other sources, and it's affecting not just royals, but a lot of other segments of our society. I have no answers, but I think the problem, and it is a problem, is unfortunately very much larger than the tabloid press.
True and not true. The comment sections of the DM are cesspools of filth. They have the power to moderate and they don't. In fact comment sections under articles on other royal are heavily moderated if not closed all together. It is only the sussexes that are let there as sitting ducks. I mean even in comment section of KP instagram, i read disgusting posts, and they stay there for days. No moderation whatsoever.
The TL of many RRs on twitter are also filled with that filth, and they happily engaged with these people. In a word they are feed to beast. This is aiding and abetting. They cannot shrug off there responsibilities in this situation. It is too easy
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:17 AM
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Parts of the outside forces (press) have publicly smeared Meghan and parts of social media has helped fuel it. Some parts of the press has been doing this since Meghan entered Harry’s life. The campaign really caught fire after the Sussexes tour of Australia and New Zealand. The woman was pregnant, on maternity leave and then was at home taking care of her new born and folks within the press and on the net just lost their damn minds.

I came on here and said, “something has got to give” because I could clearly see the mess was uncontrollably snowballing. This isn’t some exaggeration. Go back and look at the coverage while Meghan was away and you’ll see what I’m talking about. I knew Harry was going to say something again and it happened.

Problem is some think what is taking place is normal. It isn’t.
I have read the coverage, and I understand what you are saying. My point was that the larger and more frightening (to me, anyway) problem is that what is in the press is a very diluted and pale reflection of what is going on in social media and some blogs. The press possibly can and probably should be reined in, but social media/blogs are the wild west, there are very few restraints there and they are the source of much of the ugliness that the Sussexes have had to deal with.

Edited to add: And I have just realized how OT this is, so the moderators may need to remove or move this.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:23 AM
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I have read the coverage, and I understand what you are saying. My point was that the larger and more frightening (to me, anyway) problem is that what is in the press is a very diluted and pale refection of what is going on in social media and some blogs. The press possibly can and probably should be reined in, but social media/blogs are the wild west, there are very few restraints there and they are the source of much of the ugliness that the Sussexes have had to deal with.

Edited to add: And I have just realized how OT this is, so if the moderators may need to remove or move this.
It’s all hard to understand and watch. I just wish it all would stop, because this is being done to real human beings. Human beings that don’t deserve the abuse. You can see from the clips I posted how much the affects has had on Harry and Meghan.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:51 AM
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I will wait till I get to see the full Bradby documentary to be telecast on Sunday evening, but, prima facie, there are a few comments that come to mind:


> It is very clear to me that Harry has a lot of unresolved issues relating to the death of Diana, and her relationship with the Press. This is a very sad situation, especially as it is 22 years since her death, and it appears that Harry has spent the better part of his life dealing with this matter. Harry has done well to seek professional help, and I suspect that, that process is nowhere near complete. Harry needs the space, time and support required to complete his journey to recovery, if I could refer to it as such.

> This is especially tricky given that Harry will often need to engage with the media to seek press coverage for the causes he supports.

> That said, I cannot but think that recent events (including the “war” on the media, the lawsuits, the personal elements of this documentary) have completely taken the focus away from the official trip to Africa. This is a pity, as they carried out some notable engagements and helped bring attention to some very worthwhile causes

> I think Meghan really needs to understand that if she is feeling vulnerable and needs support, she should seek it privately from friends and family, as she probably does, but does not need to talk about it to the media, as unfortunately, she has chosen to do in the Bradby documentary. This is a private matter, and really not one for public consumption, IMO.
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Old 10-18-2019, 11:59 AM
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The interview is going to be broadcast in America as well on ABC (surprise, surprise lol) so no doubt a lot of what Meghan is saying is geared to garner sympathy in the US.

I’ve said this before but I’m of the opinion Meghan thinks her primary constituency is America and not Britain.
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Itís all hard to understand and watch. I just wish it all would stop, because this is being done to real human beings. Human beings that donít deserve the abuse. You can see from the clips I posted how much the affects has had on Harry and Meghan.
But Meghan-Markle said she ignore the noise. This is really causing mental stress on her. She is obviously reading all the negative stuff , she needs to stay off social media. What Meghan and Harry have to do is take back the power from social media. ( which I think is there biggest problem) not the tabloids. Social media is vile. This is one of my favorite quotes;
ďWhen you canít control whatís happening ,challenge yourself, to control the way you respond to whatís happening. Thatís where the power is.Ē They have lost their power. There gripe might be legitimate. It just comes across as whiny.
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Iíve said this before but Iím of the opinion Meghan thinks her primary constituency is America and not Britain.
And methinks, therein lies the problem!
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True and not true. The comment sections of the DM are cesspools of filth. They have the power to moderate and they don't. In fact comment sections under articles on other royal are heavily moderated if not closed all together. It is only the sussexes that are let there as sitting ducks.
Not so- there are tons of negative comments about the Yorks, for example. It isn't just the Sussexes that are targeted.
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There are tons and tons of negative comments about practically everyone in the royal family. Harry and Meghan is just trying to control the narrative.
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Harry and Meghan cannot be shaken by what is written about them. We have the example of Queen Letizia of Spain who has been so attacked and yet never shown vulnerable in public. Harry and Meghan have to do the same.
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