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Old 06-16-2011, 04:50 AM
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The reason was that there was already a male heir born when the succession changed and also the King did think that the job was too heavy for a girl.

I think he stated lately that Victoria is more ready to become a Queen than he ever was.
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:32 AM
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"Too heavy for a girl"?Did he state that?If he did that would make him look a little sexist,even though there were three women who ruled sweden before.
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Old 06-16-2011, 03:46 PM
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From what i understand he mainly objected to the law beeing inforced in retrospect instead of doing like in Norway where they changed the law and the one beeing cronwprince stayed it.
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Old 06-16-2011, 04:21 PM
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Heck, even I object to the way equal primo was introduced into Sweden. I know I'd be mad as hockey sticks if I knew that I had been born a CP, but the government changed the rules. Perhaps this will explain why the dear boy seems to exhibit his devil-may-care attitude toward his life.
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Old 06-16-2011, 05:24 PM
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Heck, even I object to the way equal primo was introduced into Sweden. I know I'd be mad as hockey sticks if I knew that I had been born a CP, but the government changed the rules. Perhaps this will explain why the dear boy seems to exhibit his devil-may-care attitude toward his life.

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I believe actually that HRH Prince CP of Sweden, with his devil-may-care attitude, is simply reaping the benefits of royal life. As he seems to not have ambitions for his life, he probably thanks GOD above that he is not Sweden's crown prince. Many in Sweden look forward to HRH Crown Princess Victoria assuming her destined fate as the Queen of Sweden. If CP was the CP of Sweden, many would not look forward to his future as the monarch of Sweden! Everything happens for a reason - it was just not meant to be. There is a lot to be said for Devine intervention!
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Old 06-16-2011, 05:40 PM
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He might have been a different man were he still CPCP.

I'm a big fan of V, tho.
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Old 06-16-2011, 05:47 PM
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When Princess Victoria was born perhaps at that moment HM thought she would not have more children ?
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When Princess Victoria was born perhaps at that moment HM thought she would not have more children ?

I am not sure if I correctly understand your question. Actually, the law of equal primogeniture in Sweden was made after HM's second child, HRH (Crown) Prince Carl-Philip was a few months old. This law was retrospective to allow the then 2 year-old HRH Victoria to have the style she still has until this day.
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He might have been a different man were he still CPCP.

I'm a big fan of V, tho.

Even though I do not agree, I do respect your what-coulda-been position! :-D
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:44 PM
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Prince Carl Phillip isn't feeling sorry for his 2nd place. It sure doesn't look like it! He gets the advantages and none of the bigger responsibilities.
They could not have asked for a better heir than Victoria. Well I'll let the current status of the Royal House'issues talk for themselves.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:38 PM
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I think deep down Carl-Philip does harbor some resentment towards Victoria for the change. His recent behavior indicates that he does not care much if the Monarchy in Sweden was abolished. While he may not be actively working towards this, deep down he may feel "serves right" if this were to happen
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Old 06-17-2011, 12:06 AM
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I think deep down Carl-Philip does harbor some resentment towards Victoria for the change. His recent behavior indicates that he does not care much if the Monarchy in Sweden was abolished. While he may not be actively working towards this, deep down he may feel "serves right" if this were to happen
If true, not saying it is, but if true that would just prove even more that Sweden is better off with Victoria.
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:44 AM
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I think deep down Carl-Philip does harbor some resentment towards Victoria for the change. His recent behavior indicates that he does not care much if the Monarchy in Sweden was abolished. While he may not be actively working towards this, deep down he may feel "serves right" if this were to happen
Sorry, I don't agree. I don't think Carl Philip would ever want to be a Crown Prince in first place. He just resembles his father way too much. He is enjoying what his father never could have, relativly bigger freedom in his choices, but he is still being well taken care for. You see it in his choices, he does not hurry anywhere, taking time with his studies, racing, partying, choice of his girlfriend, simply doing what he pleases without really having any point where he's heading. On the other hand Victoria's life, as a Crown Princess, is more prescribed and more influenced by other peoples choices, the only choice which she in the end made freely was her husband. I don't think CP would be able to lead a life like that, from the three siblings it's Victoria who IMO inherited their mothers strong work ethics and ability to put your work/mission in front of your own needs. (Before anyone jumps on my back, I do think that also the King serves his country well.)
Without really being able to tell at that age, I think the decision of the law beeing inforced in retrospect was a right one. And I don't think that Victoria or Carl Philip are unhappy with that.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:21 PM
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As soon as I read about the change in Sweden I had to shake my head in wonderment. Why the heck would you just take a way a prince's titles and role like that? It has always rubbed me the wrong way how they switched out the heir's position. And then I later came across what they did in Norway with Haakon and his older sister and I have to wonder why the heck Sweden didn't do that as well! Keep the heir being the heir but make sure to do it equally from then on. This is why I wish England would hurry up and deal with their situation instead of playing the waiting game.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:37 AM
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To be fair to our goverment it wasnt that they suddenly woke up with Carl-Philip beeing born and changed the constitution. After Victoria was born the Moderate party was affraid that she would be the only child and since the constitution didnt allow women to be heirs it had to be changed. The first vote to change the constitution happened in May 1978, but to change the constitution you need to have a election in between. The next election was in September 1979, after Carl-Philip had been born.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:42 AM
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Proposition 1977/78:71 om kvinnlig tronföljd - Riksdagen
Swedish goverment proposed the female line of succession on December 1977 to the swedish parliament/Riksdagen.
As I wrote before, the swedish government proposed the female line of succession already on 8th December 1977. And just like Mattep74 writes, there had to be an election before the proposion could be accepted.
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Laughable that the rules of succession were changed – some of the main arguments posted here approbating the change seem beyond parody: an invocation of ‘fairness’, ‘equality’ & ‘egalitarianism’ – how can these be applied objectively to the most unfair, unegalitarian & hierarchical institution on the planet? They have no substance whatsoever.

The sovereign isn’t a public servant – he isn’t there to satisfy the fancies and whims of the popular zeitgeist; if that’s what you want, then cease the charade and abolish the monarchy and instigate a full blown republic. If the monarchy isn’t rooted in the past then it loses any legitimacy it has. Quite frankly it’s disgusting that a bunch of control freaks in the Swedish parliament (well, they are leftists I suppose, that’s what leftists love: control) forced these measures on the reluctant King. These are fundamental changes that affect his family – and for what? Just so a bunch of miscreants in the Swedish parliament can feel edified at having made an intrinsically unfair institution slightly more, errrm, ‘fair’?
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The sovereign isn’t a public servant – he isn’t there to satisfy the fancies and whims of the popular zeitgeist; if that’s what you want, then cease the charade and abolish the monarchy and instigate a full blown republic. If the monarchy isn’t rooted in the past then it loses any legitimacy it has. Quite frankly it’s disgusting that a bunch of control freaks in the Swedish parliament (well, they are leftists I suppose, that’s what leftists love: control) forced these measures on the reluctant King. These are fundamental changes that affect his family – and for what? Just so a bunch of miscreants in the Swedish parliament can feel edified at having made an intrinsically unfair institution slightly more, errrm, ‘fair’?
No, it wasn't the leftists in the parliament who wanted a change in the order of succession, it was the conservative and center-right parties that lead the government at the time of both votes in the parliament. Many in the left-wing block was against the change, as they hoped that there wouldn't be any male heir born and that the monarchy would be abolished due to lack of a male heir. Social democrats: Gender equality a pretext to save the monarcy: S: "Jämställdhet svepskäl för att rädda monarkin" - Ekot

Voting 1977: 159 for a change, 18 against, 130 abstain
Voting 1979: 165 for a change, 21 against, 147 abstain
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No, it wasn't the leftists in the parliament who wanted a change in the order of succession, it was the conservative and center-right parties that lead the government at the time of both votes in the parliament. Many in the left-wing block was against the change, as they hoped that there wouldn't be any male heir born and that the monarchy would be abolished due to lack of a male heir. Social democrats: Gender equality a pretext to save the monarcy: S: "Jämställdhet svepskäl för att rädda monarkin" - Ekot
Doesn't sound like there are any conservatives in Sweden to be blunt. Whilst 'conservatives' in Sweden were besmirching their monarchy, conservatives in the UK were safeguarding the hereditary peers in House of Lords. What a difference in calibre.

I don't buy this hollow argument that 'equality' legitimises the most unfair and unequal institution on the planet. The monarchy is either legitimate by precedent and tradition or it isn't at all; if you tweak and nudge it to fit the zeitgeist you're doing nothing but delegitimatising it. It becomes a plaything for ideologues and the fancies of those in control.
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I don't think it really was Conservatives either, who wanted the change, but it rather was Liberals.
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