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Old 04-30-2016, 02:18 AM
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This very week saw another poll in a celebrating monarchy, the Netherlands. Like in Sweden (and other monarchies) these polls pop up when there are royal events. While the Dutch King and especially Queen Máxima are very popular, get oustanding approvals, the support for the monarchy itself has dropped to one of the lowest levels ever. Popularity of persons is not neccessarily corresponding with the desire to keep an institution. All we all we can say that monarchies are not that rock-fast as they once were. Like people only two generations ago would not have believed that the all-powerful and dominating Church would virtually disappear out of our lives and become an irrelevance.
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Old 04-30-2016, 04:15 AM
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This very week saw another poll in a celebrating monarchy, the Netherlands. Like in Sweden (and other monarchies) these polls pop up when there are royal events. While the Dutch King and especially Queen Máxima are very popular, get oustanding approvals, the support for the monarchy itself has dropped to one of the lowest levels ever. Popularity of persons is not neccessarily corresponding with the desire to keep an institution. All we all we can say that monarchies are not that rock-fast as they once were. Like people only two generations ago would not have believed that the all-powerful and dominating Church would virtually disappear out of our lives and become an irrelevance.
Accompanying that dutch poll the articles state that "the popularity of a constitutional monarchy is inseparably linked to the popularity of the royal individuals", this is completely recognizable in this thread about the Swedish monarchy
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Old 05-02-2016, 01:23 AM
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A new survey was published on 30th April. The survey was conducted by Sifo on behalf of Svenska Dagbladet.
1000 people were interviewed by telephone between 23 and 26 March.
The question asked was: "Do you want to retain or abolish monarchy?"
The survey from Sifo shows that 65 percent of Swedes want to retain monarchy. The strongest support is among women over 65, but support for the monarchy is fairly evenly among men and women of all ages. 24 percent of Swedes want to abolish the monarchy.
- A majority in all age groups want to retain monarchy, says Toivo Sjörén, head of the Sifo polling.
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Old 05-02-2016, 02:47 AM
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Accompanying that dutch poll the articles state that "the popularity of a constitutional monarchy is inseparably linked to the popularity of the royal individuals", this is completely recognizable in this thread about the Swedish monarchy
Well, the popularity of the individuals is bigger than the support for the monarchy so it is not one-on-one. One can have a popularity approval of 85% while the monarchy as an institution, worth to behold, scores 60% or lower. See Spain and Belgium.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:12 AM
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I think who is the head of state - or who's going to be the head of state - impacts the overall view of the monarchy. If the reigning sovereign is despised - or did something completely vile - there would be a call to end the monarchy. Or if a successor does something horribly wrong and the monarch does nothing about it, that could influence opinion about the Crown.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:23 AM
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Well, the popularity of the individuals is bigger than the support for the monarchy so it is not one-on-one. One can have a popularity approval of 85% while the monarchy as an institution, worth to behold, scores 60% or lower. See Spain and Belgium.
I don't think Spain or Belgium are good examples because opposition to the monarchy there is parly driven by separatism, which is a factor that doesn't apply to Sweden or the Netherlands. Even in Spain though, opinion polls show that a majority still wants to retain the monarchy. I don't know about Belgium because i've never seen a Belgian poll on that topic.
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Old 09-27-2016, 11:55 AM
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The Swedish Liberals intend to leave Madeleine and Carl Philip without pay.

The Sweden Liberal Popular Party, the fourth training in representation in the national Parliament, wants to put limits on economic allocations that members of the Royal family receive. They are in agreement with the King and the Princess charged heiress, but not the other two sons of Carl XVI Gustaf.

Los liberales suecos proponen dejar a Magdalena y a Carlos Felipe sin sueldo
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Old 10-05-2016, 01:35 AM
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Partiföreträdare vill avskaffa monarkin | Nyheter | Expressen

Does this report in Expressen mean that all Swedish political parties intend to rid Sweden of the monarchy? I hope not!
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Old 10-05-2016, 03:56 AM
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Yeesh, the turnips have been going on about this for the last couple of decades - what I want to know is, if there is such unianamity on the subject than why don't they just go ahead and do it? As far as i know all it needs is one act of parliament and the king does not even sign the bill - the speaker does (although realistically there would probably need to be a referendum). Or is it (as I suspect) along with the transfer of the kings powers to the speaker of the house another crack at centralising power? Or more pretentious navel gazing? Keep in mind one of the traditional reasons behind swedish monarchism was the idea that the king was needed to keep the politicans in check vis-a-vis the people. Or maybe they're trying to distract people from Swedens other problems like the rise of the far right and questions over the refugee crisis?

Fact is is that CG and Vic will probably be the king and future queen for some time to come. The funding problem can be sorted out easily As a very general rule monarchies are only abolished after a major national disaster of some kind; normally loss in war and foreign invasion, but also major popular uprisings and loss of elite confidence. The politicans may not support the monarchy but a lot of swedish businesess do as its a very good soft power tool and a major part of brand sweden inc. despite the grand standing I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Sweden is more likely to exit the EU than knock over its monarchy at the present time. However that said, Sweden was also the first to do away with male primogeniture and the first in europe to completely remove the king from the political process - maybe it will set the precedent for popular, peaceful, and non-divisive republiancsim that does not involve exile, humiliation, or mass killing?
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Old 10-05-2016, 05:49 AM
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Thanks Laurels, you've been very succinct. That is what I think might happen. No storming of the barricades, or fleeing across the border for this Royal family. Instead, a bit of a nudge here with Parliament taking a little more power each time, a nudge there, with an unpopular King and a longterm Press campaign about costs and powers and egalitarianism, perhaps.

In other words, keep nibbling away at the edifice until it finally collapses in on itself, or a majority of the population finally says, as people who are republican often do,'Well, he's only a figurehead, we can have a figurehead President and he won't cost as much!'

Poor Victoria. She works her socks off for her country. I sincerely hope it doesn't end, either with a whimper or a bang. However, I do feel that Sweden is one to watch for the future. Unfortunately.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:00 AM
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Yeah I feel sorry for Vickan too. She is much more deserving than a certain other future monarch who by reasons of outrageous fortune is heading for a (at the present) more secure throne....

Based on what I know sweden has far larger problems than its head of state - I notice that conscription has recently been brought back due to the threat of russian aggression in the region.

Most of the republican sentiment is really about the fact that CG is unpopular; he's not the sharpest knife in the draw, his views on a number of things are out of step with the rest of Sweden, and his friends are rather questionable. Lets not get started on the rumours about his sex life either (oh Carl you naughty, naughty boy! *whip crack*).

I think some of the sentiment will come back once Victoria is Queen as she is less tainted as her old man and there is the novelty factor of reigning Queens as well.
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Old 10-05-2016, 06:56 AM
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I thought that while Victoria is by far the most popular Swedish royal, Carl Gustaf is popular as well.
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Old 10-05-2016, 07:13 AM
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I have a less pessimistic view of the SRF.

Partly for political reasons. I won't go into to many details, but the next election in 2018 is going to be a harsh experience for the established parties. And it is mainly the established parties that wish to ultimately abolish the monarchy.
But these parties have in many ways (in this one as well) lost touch with the ordinary Svenson's outside the inner cities.

And in time of political upheaval people look to what is not only politically neutral but also a stable institution.

Another thing is team V&D themselves. Charisma, dedication and personality matters. This is something V&D have.
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Old 10-05-2016, 07:25 AM
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In essence the royal families are eroding their very own "being royal" from within. Was it before King Carl XVI Gustaf an absolute no-no to marry a fellow Swede or a commoner (both actions did lead to the loss of the royal status). The (intended) marriages with Daniel Westling, Jonas Bergström and Sofia Hellqvist show that any Swede can become "royal". Suddenly that sporty dude from Örebrö, that whizzkid classmate from Djursholm or the fellow teammate from Danderyd become a "Royal Highness", get a Seraphim hanged around their shoulders, people bow and mumble "Royal Highness" and their babies are suddenly Dukes and Duchesses from Nowhere and Everywhere. It all turns out into a vaudeville. It is a pure eroding of the core fundaments of what a royal family actually is.

The distance to the royal family and "the street" has totally disappeared:

You are that hunky fitness trainer?
You can become Prince of Sweden and be father of the next Queen!
No problem.

You are that underwear model?
You can become a Princess of Sweden and a Duchess of So-and-So.
No problem.

You have a child outside marriage from another dude?
You can perfecly become Queen of Norway.
No problem.

The underlying message is that the gates of the palace are wide open. While people have to apply for jobs, show diplomas and certificates, a curriculum from here to nowhere and compete for a "normal" jobs, it looks like for becoming royal nothing is needed. Royal or noble birth? Spotless past? Respectable careers? Pffff.... come on... this is 2016: no any requirement needed to become "Prince(ss)". Welcome in the royal family! (And this counts for almost all royal families, all of them will be wiped out in the coming decades).
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Old 10-05-2016, 07:35 AM
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In essence the royal families are eroding their very own "being royal" from within. Was it before King Carl XVI Gustaf an absolute no-no to marry a fellow Swede or a commoner (both actions did lead to the loss of the royal status). The (intended) marriages with Daniel Westling, Jonas Bergström and Sofia Hellqvist show that any Swede can become "royal". Suddenly that sporty dude from Örebrö, that whizzkid classmate from Djursholm or the fellow teammate from Danderyd become a "Royal Highness", get a Seraphim hanged around their shoulders, people bow and mumble "Royal Highness" and their babies are suddenly Dukes and Duchesses from Nowhere and Everywhere. It all turns out into a vaudeville. It is a pure eroding of the core fundaments of what a royal family actually is.

The distance to the royal family and "the street" has totally disappeared:

You are that hunky fitness trainer?
You can become Prince of Sweden and be father of the next Queen!
No problem.

You are that underwear model?
You can become a Princess of Sweden and a Duchess of So-and-So.
No problem.

You have a child outside marriage from another dude?
No problem.
You can perfecly become Queen of Norway.

While people have to apply for jobs, show diplomas and certificates, a curriculum from here to nowhere and compete for a "normal" jobs, it looks like for becoming royal nothing is needed. Royal or noble birth? Spotless past? Respectable careers? Pffff.... come on... this is 2016: no any requirement needed to become "Prince(ss)". Welcome in the royal family! (And this counts for almost all royal families, all of them will be wiped out in the coming decades).
Haha, I see you don't understand Sweden one bit. I think them marrying "normal swedes" has actually saved the monarchy.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:13 AM
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I hope the Swedish monarchy is not abolished. Think the monarchy in Sweden are in danger?
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I don't know, but I get the feeling that Princess eìEstelle won't see the throne. Jmo.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:27 AM
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Does this report in Expressen mean that all Swedish political parties intend to rid Sweden of the monarchy? I hope not!
No, it doesn't. That motion is introduced every year in the Riksdag. The only difference is that the motion is now backed by a minority of MPs in all parties.

The important point is, however, that 65 % of the Swedish people still want to retain the monarchy and only 25 % want to abolish it, with the remaining 10 % falling in the "don't know" category. That is actually very low popular support for any meaningful republican move to succeed.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:34 AM
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Haha, I see you don't understand Sweden one bit. I think them marrying "normal swedes" has actually saved the monarchy.
When you think a minute longer about it you know that I have touched a very essential question: what is actually a royal family. If Swedes are so hallelujah about the monarchy, we would have seen better statistics, don't we? And... when all Swedes are so happy with non-royals, I have the ultimate instrument to boost their happiness even more: elect your own best candidate from Örebrö, Djursholm or Danderyd to become President of Sweden.
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