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Old 06-06-2017, 02:24 PM
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Priceless, the program leader has the men's Sverigedräkt...

Maybe now people will get why so few men use it. 😂😉
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:27 PM
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Maybe now people will get why so few men use it. ����
I was thinking exactly the same.

Great photo of Estelle.
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A lovely photo of queen Silvia in Kosta Boda.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVAYxpsA...ged=kungahuset

Group photo at the Royal Palace before the reception.
Kungligheterna tillbaka på slottet – se familjebilderna _ Svensk Damtidning

Estelle, the little pro
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Daniel posed for many photos today, here's one.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVAoD0bF...ed=prinsdaniel

Chris O’Neill firade nationaldagen med kungafamiljen på Skansen _ Aftonbladet
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Old 06-06-2017, 06:12 PM
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Some photos of members of the Royal Family during the carriage procession.

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Old 06-06-2017, 06:29 PM
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Wonderful outfits and a very nice weather..... congratulations Sweden
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:01 AM
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Not like the woman's is any more fashionable and they have to wear it. If the Norweigan royal men can bite the bullet, the Swedes can too

I don't get the whole issue with the kids. Oscar was too young for the carriage, not hard to think Alexander wouldn't go either. As for photos, Victoria and Daniel chose to release pictures. I doubt anyone stopped the other couples. Alex is a bit young and he wouldn't be in costume anyways. Leonor wpuld be cute, but maybe her parents wanted to keep private. They do release photos. Since neither Sofia or Alex were at the gates like last year, perhaps he was ill. Or just not in mood to be on show.

I find it funny people have such a problem with focus on Estelle. Thinking she will be spoiled or something. Yet I hear none of this on British boards. I never see Williams cousins being defended, saying they should be treated equally. Or George being spoiled as treated differently then other great grandkids. I believe the words we should just be lucky they appear on balcony. I don't see a call for martga Louise's kids to get treated the same as Haakon, or the kids of the infantas, or so on. Not sure why Sweden any different.


Okay that aside, great photos. Estelle sure is a little star. Happy to see all the adults. Great happy day for the country.
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:22 AM
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I don't get the whole issue with the kids. Oscar was too young for the carriage, not hard to think Alexander wouldn't go either. As for photos, Victoria and Daniel chose to release pictures. I doubt anyone stopped the other couples. Alex is a bit young and he wouldn't be in costume anyways. Leonor wpuld be cute, but maybe her parents wanted to keep private. They do release photos. Since neither Sofia or Alex were at the gates like last year, perhaps he was ill. Or just not in mood to be on show.
Estelle was at the cortege in 2013, she was only a week older than Oscar is now. She attended then also at the opening of the Open Palace. But she Victoria's first child and her heir.
Last year the court told at the program of the day that Carl Philip and Sofia would open the gates to the Open Palace. They decided to take Alexander there too. This year at the program was told that Carl Philip would open the gates alone.

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NATIONAL DAY SWEDEN 201& NIGHT - Images _ Robin Utrecht _ Photoshelter

Prince Carl Philip opens Slottet, 06-06-2017 - Images _ Bernard Rübsamen
Changing of the Guard, Stockholm 06-06-2017 - Images _ Bernard Rübsamen
Carriage to Skansen, Stockholm 06-06-2017 - Images _ Bernard Rübsamen

Videos and photos of the king and queen at Kronoberg County
Kungaparet firade nationaldagen i Kosta och Växjö - Smålandsposten
”Stor glädje för drottningen och mig att hedra högtidsdagen i Växjö” - Smålandsposten
Se hela nationaldagsfirandet i Linnéparken - Smålandsposten
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One of the King's cars was at the Open Palace yesterday
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:16 AM
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I mentioned Alex being there last year. And noted Sofia wasn't at the gate either. Suggested one or both wasn't feeling up to it.

Not all babies are the same. Just becayse Estelle was able to handle carriages at that age, doesn't mean Oscar or Alexander would. If Alex wasn't up for the gate earlier all the more reason not to push carriage.

My point being, it seems only in Sweden do people think it's a snub to the other kids, and Estelle will be spoiled due to it. No problem of such treatment with other royal families.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:32 AM
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Obviously Chris came later to the Royal Palace, because he isn't at the group photo with the GEN-PEP staff.
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"The best photos of the royal family's National Day", Svensk Damtidning writes
Bästa bilderna från nationaldagen _ Svensk Damtidning
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Kungligt nationaldagsfirande på Skansen och slottet _ SvD
Bildkavalkad från kungafamiljens nationaldagsfirande

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Photographer Karin Törnblom's slideshow from the National Day
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVB8B_jD...ed=prinsdaniel

Ebba Kleberg von Sydow at her blog:
"Johan then thought I was completely crazy when I wanted to go down to Djurgårdsbron and wave to the royals. He gladly stayed at home and fixed the food. Hanna and I took the 6-year-olds and there was a long wait (just over 20 minutes is long for a 6 year old) before the horses and carriages finally arrived on Strandvägen with waving princes and princesses. Kind Prince Daniel saw us standing there at the front and hinted to Victoria and Estelle, who waved happily to us. Oh! The girls became very happy: "Mom, Mom - Estelle Waved To Us"! And yes, my daughter can name all the princes and princesses. It may be because I read Svensk Damtidning aloud for breakfast on Wednesdays at home - and of course, for all TV broadcasts I have done and about which she has heard a lot of talk at home.
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National Day in Sweden 2017

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Old 06-07-2017, 12:13 PM
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Madeleine shared this photo on her facebook of her and Chris right before the carriage ride
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:46 PM
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I don't think it is boring to see only Estelle who will be the next queen of Sweden after her mother and Oscar whio is third in the list of sucession, they are more important than the other grandchildren of the king even if they have the same age.
They are the future of the monarchy and they are the children of the crown princess.
The most cruel aspect of hereditary monarchy IMHO is the fact that some children/grandchildren in the Royal Family are de jure and de facto "more important than the others". If I were a child growing up in a Royal Family and were not the firstborn, I'm not sure I would be able to cope with being treated differently than my elder sibling.
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:16 PM
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It is the rule of a monarchy

the king and the heir are the most important people in the country and in the family they cannot avoid this or we are in the republic
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:22 PM
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The official website of the Swedish Football Association tells about the visit the Swedish Men’s Football National Team players Mikael Lustig, Christoffer Nyman och Robin Olsen made to GEN-PEP’s football field at the Open Palace.
At the video is first interviewed GEN-PEP's project leader Carolina Klüft, who tells about GEN-PEP and how they work that the children in Sweden would exercise at least 60 minutes in every day. She is asked about what it means that the National Team footballers came to play football there. Carolina says: "It means very much, some of the young girls have been waiting for their visit (There were girls from Futebol dá força) and then we could see some matches with the players and prince Daniel. It is very much appreciated, we are proud of our National Team and wish them luck. That they came to warm up with us and to show that the health of the childen and young people is important, it means very much to us". The interwiever says that prince Daniel even took the jacket off. Carolina says: "The prince thinks it is great to get some exercise, he is very passionate about Generation Pep and everything what we do. A real driving force who spreads much enthusiasm around him. We got proof of that at the football field today".
The footballers are interviewed, they are asked how Daniel played. One of the players says: "He chose the right team. No, he has good feet, a good technique and was good in tactics. He was skillful". The players are asked about that GEN-PEP wants children to move at least 60 minutes a day, what they think about that? One player says: "It is a fantastic initiative. It’s clear that all children must move and exercise. I think it is a great idea. It was fun to be there and support them". And the other player says: "Like said, it was fun to be there, Klüft and prince Daniel are doing the right job, it was fun".
Herrlandslaget besökte Generation Pep — svenskfotboll.se

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The king and queen at Kosta Boda
Till tonerna av Johnny Cash formar kungen glas på Kosta Bodas 275-års jubileum
The king and queen in Växjö
Kungaparet firar nationaldagen i Växjö
Carl Philip opens the gates to Open Palace
Prins Carl Philip öppnar Kungliga slottet
Victoria and Daniel at Görvälns Castle
Nationaldagsfirande vid Görvälns slott
Victoria's speech
Kronprinsessan håller tal i Järfälla
Daniel at the Inner courtyard, talking to people and playing football
Prins Daniel spelar boll på Innre borggården
The cortege leaves the Royal Palace
Häst och vagn lastat med kungligheter
At Skansen
Nationaldagsfirande på Skansen
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:27 PM
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The most cruel aspect of hereditary monarchy IMHO is the fact that some children/grandchildren in the Royal Family are de jure and de facto "more important than the others". If I were a child growing up in a Royal Family and were not the firstborn, I'm not sure I would be able to cope with being treated differently than my elder sibling.
It's just a matter of explaining it the right way to the kids. Estelle as grandchild of Carl Gustav isn't any more important than Oscar, Leonore, Nicolas, Alexander and the new baby. Estelle as second heir to the king IS more important then her brother and cousins who all are behind her in line to the throne. Private life and working life are two different shoes.

Seeing that national day is an important day for the country of which Carl Gustav is the king, it's only natural that the focus is more on Victoria than on Carl Philip and Madeleine or more on Estelle than her brother and cousins, because they are the official heirs and being there, smiling, waving and posing for the perfect picture is work for the king and his heirs, whereas everyone else just can tag along but isn't really necessary.

The kings birthday or wedding anniversary is contrary to the national day a private event. There Victoria is just one of the kings three kids and Estelle is one of five (soon six) grandchildren. The fact that the focus then is also more on here is just due to her being the oldest, who most likely attends these events. It's as simple as that.
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Barbro Hultman, a royal expert who has been a journalist and also worked at the royal court and is quite close to the royal family (and has written the book "I den kungliga kulissen), pointed just out at Expressen's live studio, that the royal court/family doesn't do anything by chance, everything is planned. That is why there aren't any other grandchildren than Estelle at the cortege. Hultman said that Estelle will be trained differently than the other grandchildren, it has already been seen many times that that she can handle these kind of situations and the court doesn't want anyone to take the attention from her, because she is the heir to the heir.
Seriously! So are they going to banish the other Grandkids from appearances so as not to take attention from Estelle? Is that why Alexander was not seen at the balcony during the King’s birthday in April?
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:03 PM
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I think another reason the focus is on Estelle is the question about the apanage. One politician in Sweden wanted no money going to Carl Philip and Madeleine:

Robert Hannah: Stoppa apanaget till Carl Philip och Madde | Kungligt | Expressen

Putting all the grandchildren on display could re-open this issue of the government providing support of royals who will never see the throne. I think a similar issue was raised about the Danish Royal Family with Margrethe's many grandchildren. If appearances are planned as stated in a previous post, this could be part of the reason. Alexander was not seen at the visit of the men's national hockey team at the Royal Palace. Estelle and Oscar were there.
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Old 06-08-2017, 02:01 AM
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Seriously! So are they going to banish the other Grandkids from appearances so as not to take attention from Estelle? Is that why Alexander was not seen at the balcony during the King’s birthday in April?
No, the king's birthday was a family celebration. It was Carl Philip's and Sofia's choice not to take Alexander out of his pram. As we saw for example at the king's birthday on 2015, Leonore was there too. But as Barbro Hultman explained, at official events the focus will on Victoria, the heir to the throne, and her children, and more of them on Estelle. The King's 70th birthday was an official celebration.
Just like KitKat2006 explained, Estelle as the grandchild of private citizen Carl Gustaf Bernadotte isn't more important than the other grandchildren, but as the grandchild of HM The King of Sweden, the things are totally different because she is the daughter of the heir, and Estelle is treated other way than the other grandchildren.

Oscar and the Westling were also at the Royal Palace before the cortege left to Skansen. Perhaps they were also at the car behind the cortege and took Estelle home to Haga, when she left the cortege.
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Daniel and author Josefine Sundström, being photobombed by a man with a wide smile.
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Photos by Bengt Nyman
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Old 06-08-2017, 05:01 AM
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I must admit that this doesn't sound good at all:
the court doesn't want anyone to take the attention from Estelle, because she is the heir to the heir.
Heir or no heir, she should learn to gain the attention by herself not because others were left out (in this scenario did they prevent Madeleine to attend when Carl Philip was the heir to the heir?? And now that Carl Philip is no longer the heir to the heir, is he unwanted baggage?? Or if photographers happens to take more photos of Madeleine than of Victoria, is that a problem that she takes away an attention from heir??Oh, the court's policy sounds quite silly, IMHO).
No wonder that Victoria has said that in this role one gets very lonely. As a heir she had another kind of upbringing and her role was a lot more different than that of her siblings. Had they shared some of the burden, then perhaps we had seen the siblings at the representation duties more often and we wouldn't have to wonder "why Carl Philip and Madeleine are so rarely seen". And after reading this kind of view from the court, it makes you wonder if CP and M were more rarely seen because they didn't have to create hardworking image and they could have taken the attention away from the heir?
I hope that the royal families can find good balance for all the grandchildren of the monarch. Perhaps those further down from the throne are the luckiest ones because hopefully they can be more free in finding their own way in life, and they don't have to go on the pre-set track set for them by others?
TBH I like Carl Philip and Madeleine now even better than before: they have turned out well, even though they have had to grow up on the constant shadow of their big and important sister, dragged along behind her like some secondary people, knowing they are not so necesssary like her... I was always compared to my older brother and I often found it irritating when I was told that I'm not so good like him or should stay back at times (it took some learning to accept that I'm a person of my own, so this doesn't bother me anymore).
And I promise that from now on I will be more patient with other grandchildren when they perhaps do not behave so well as Estelle because after all they do not have the same experience, upbringing and they are not so used to the spotlight like the heir to the heir.
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Old 06-08-2017, 05:18 AM
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It was nice again to look at all the photos from the National Day in Sweden, at the social media it was seen how the people are celebrating it with joy, and this year the weather was also great. As a Finn I find it always interesting to follow the Swedish National Day, because it is so different than our Independence Day. The big difference is that we celebrate our independence which we have fought hard for, and celebrate it on 6th December, when it is cold and the winter is coming. But both are great days.

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At Skansen
IBL Bildbyrå
Reception at the Royal Palace
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ROYAL: Prinz Carl Philip öffnet die Schlosstore zum Tag des offenen Schlosses am Nationalfeiertag
ROYAL: Carl Gustaf und Silvia besuchen Kosta und den Linneparken anlässlich des Nationalfeiertages
ROYAL: Victoria und Daniel besuchen anlässlich des Nationalfeiertages die Gemeinde Järfälla
ROYAL: König Carl Gustaf - schwer am Schaffen in der Glasfabrik
ROYAL: Silvia und Carl Gustaf - Volles Programm in Växjo
ROYAL: Prinz Carl Philip bei der Preisübergabe des Zeichenwettbewerbs "Die denkende Hand"
ROYAL: Prinz Carl Philip schaut bei der Wachablösung am Nationalfeiertag zu
ROYAL: Blümchen für die Damen - Victoria und Sofia trafen auf Skansen ein
ROYAL: Die schwedischen Royals nehmen auf Skansen an den Feierlichkeiten am Nationalfeiertag teil
ROYAL SPEZIAL: Estelle zum 5. Mal beim Nationalfeiertag dabei
ROYAL: Die schwedischen Royals bitten zum Nationalfeiertagsempfang

I love this photo, pure joy.
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Madeleine de Suède a retrouvé Victoria, Sofia et Silvia pour la Fête nationale

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Article in german Die Aktuelle, from the Facebook of reporter Norbert Loh.
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Daniel at GEN-PEP's activities and meeting people
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I must admit that this doesn't sound good at all:
the court doesn't want anyone to take the attention from Estelle, because she is the heir to the heir.
Heir or no heir, she should learn to gain the attention by herself not because others were left out (in this scenario did they prevent Madeleine to attend when Carl Philip was the heir to the heir?? And now that Carl Philip is no longer the heir to the heir, is he unwanted baggage?? Or if photographers happens to take more photos of Madeleine than of Victoria, is that a problem that she takes away an attention from heir??Oh, the court's policy sounds quite silly, IMHO).
No wonder that Victoria has said that in this role one gets very lonely. As a heir she had another kind of upbringing and her role was a lot more different than that of her siblings. Had they shared some of the burden, then perhaps we had seen the siblings at the representation duties more often and we wouldn't have to wonder "why Carl Philip and Madeleine are so rarely seen". And after reading this kind of view from the court, it makes you wonder if CP and M were more rarely seen because they didn't have to create hardworking image and they could have taken the attention away from the heir?
I hope that the royal families can find good balance for all the grandchildren of the monarch. Perhaps those further down from the throne are the luckiest ones because hopefully they can be more free in finding their own way in life, and they don't have to go on the pre-set track set for them by others?
TBH I like Carl Philip and Madeleine now even better than before: they have turned out well, even though they have had to grow up on the constant shadow of their big and important sister, dragged along behind her like some secondary people, knowing they are not so necesssary like her... I was always compared to my older brother and I often found it irritating when I was told that I'm not so good like him or should stay back at times (it took some learning to accept that I'm a person of my own, so this doesn't bother me anymore).
And I promise that from now on I will be more patient with other grandchildren when they perhaps do not behave so well as Estelle because after all they do not have the same experience, upbringing and they are not so used to the spotlight like the heir to the heir.

Yes rarely seen, Madeleine and CP are hidden away like unwanted baggage

Name one single royal family where the younger children have as many duties, or as much attention as the heir. Even one example. The only one who remotely comes close is Anne. People are making it out to sound like Sweden is hiding away unwanted members. Where is this outrage in British threads? People think the Yorks should vanish off face if the earth and be private. Yet Leonor, Alexander and Nicolas need to be held on the same level as Estelle.

Madeleine has chosen a private life. She dorks with childhood and lives abroad. CP and his wife get plenty of attention. Of course they aren't going to do official court events. Should Charles share some with Andrew? There is a specific role for heir, that is reality. Sweden does a better job then many countries, including other branches. Look how many we see at state dinners, Nobels and so on.

Alexander is a baby. Leonor is in preschool. Nicolas lives in London. We're not talking adults or even teenagers. We are talking very small children. Why should they be exposed to events so young? Unlike Estelle, they get to be kids. We see them at things like kings birthday.

I will be looking for you on the York boards supporting the girls. And pushing for Laurent, Martha Louise, Cristina, and so on and the need for them to be treated equally. I am sure your desire an heir should never be treated differently, is of course shared equally with all monarchies.

Do the dutch anger you btw? They force younger kids to go private citizens, heck you lose your place based on proximity. Amalia sure gets special treatment over her cousins.
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Yes rarely seen, Madeleine and CP are hidden away like unwanted baggage

Name one single royal family where the younger children have as many duties, or as much attention as the heir. Even one example. The only one who remotely comes close is Anne. People are making it out to sound like Sweden is hiding away unwanted members. Where is this outrage in British threads? People think the Yorks should vanish off face if the earth and be private. Yet Leonor, Alexander and Nicolas need to be held on the same level as Estelle.

Madeleine has chosen a private life. She dorks with childhood and lives abroad. CP and his wife get plenty of attention. Of course they aren't going to do official court events. Should Charles share some with Andrew? There is a specific role for heir, that is reality. Sweden does a better job then many countries, including other branches. Look how many we see at state dinners, Nobels and so on.

Alexander is a baby. Leonor is in preschool. Nicolas lives in London. We're not talking adults or even teenagers. We are talking very small children. Why should they be exposed to events so young? Unlike Estelle, they get to be kids. We see them at things like kings birthday.

I will be looking for you on the York boards supporting the girls. And pushing for Laurent, Martha Louise, Cristina, and so on and the need for them to be treated equally. I am sure your desire an heir should never be treated differently, is of course shared equally with all monarchies.

Do the ditch ahger you btw? They force younger kids to go private citizens, heck you lose your place based on proximity. Amalia sure gets special treatment over her cousins.
That is all great but then why Carl Philip and Madeleine are so often labeled as being lazy? For not representing Sweden enough? For not being so hard-working as Victoria? I don't know why but the [Swedish] media seems to expect that Carl Philip and Madeleine should contribute equally to Victoria and when they don't, they are "cherry picking"?
I wish this kind of comparing would stop because obviously they are not comparable. Apparently Carl Philip and Madeleine do as much as is required of them...but they will be always loosing when statistics show bare numbers on how much different royals performed duties per year, so factually they have worked less, so some can shine on top while others had to stay back...
What I want to say is that royals who are further away from the throne, may have quite difficult time in adjusting. From one side they are Swedish prince and princess...the public expect them to be seen and heard...but on the other hand they are not the heirs, they have minor role and there are less duties left for them (like Countessmeout said - in order some royal could work more, others have to share).
When I hear statements on how some royals are pushed more forward, then I no longer question why we hear less of others. I think that Madeleine with her work with the World Childhood Foundation and Carl Philip are doing well, they know their place and lots of people have started to show interest in Swedish royals because of them. If the court feels that Estelle and Oscar need to be pushed forward due for being children of the crown princess, then that is their decision and I'm sure that Madeleine and Carl Philip will have enough knowledge to raise the kids as good citizen, and its good they get to be kids, even if they happen to have titles
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