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Old 06-03-2016, 08:10 PM
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@Lady Finn - it still seems a long time for Sofia to get her coat of arms. Daniel had his before his wedding to Victoria, which may have been worked on for many months. Oscar had his in 2 mos (easy, he's a blood Bernadotte like Estelle, Leonore, Nicolas and Alexander). Here's the late Princess Lillian's coat of arms:

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Old 06-07-2016, 12:19 PM
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SvD Näringsliv had an article about the apanage and costs of the royal family last week.

Two married into the royal family, five little princes and princesses. From 2010, the royal family has doubled. How many royals the government shall support - time will tell. The government decides how much money the king gets. Since 2009, the government funding has increased by 23 %, or 25 million SEK. This year, the court received a total of SEK 135.4 million, compared with SEK 127.5 million the year before.
There are no plans to ask for more money because the family grows and and there are increased costs for things like strollers, diapers and baby clothes, according to the Keeper of the Privy Purse and treasurer of the court, Jan Lindman.
All royals who are part of the succession get now part of the apanage. How the apanage is distributed is not strictly regulated by any law. It's the king who decides.
- Historically, it is up to the king (head of state) to decide freely. It dates back to the 1809 form of government, says Lena Westin, Senior Adviser at the Department of Public Administration at the Ministry of Finance.
In Denmark, the political voices have raised the issue of who should be entitled to apanage. There is no similar debate in Sweden.
Lindman says that one can't answer today who will get the apanage in the future. Strict regulations are missing, and he says it will be a matter for the future.
The King's sisters get no apanage. Lindman guesses it has to do with that there was no question that of any of them would take up the throne.
How long Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl Philip will receive part of the apanage, time will tell.
- It can't be said with certainty that they will have it forever. It is usually said that this should be for the Head of state and his or her family. It is not for the head of state and his or her relatives, says Lindman.
Members of the royal family also have private fortunes and companies. Aftonbladet wrote some time ago that Princess Sofia has started a business.
Those who receive apanage have also the right to have some other income, for example from part ownership in certain companies.
- There are no formal obstacles. It is a matter of convenience which type of income you have. A member of the royal family who might become head of state must always uphold its neutrality. This is also why it is so important that the royal family's expenses are financed by the state, Lindman says.
Kungafamiljens tillskott ger klirr i kassan _ SvD
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Another article in SvD Näringsliv "What is apanage?"
The royal apanage has been around for over 200 years. If the court wants more money, they ask the government - and the royals may not have ordinary jobs with salaries.
Who get apanage today?
All that are part of the succession get part of the apanage. Besides the king and queen, the crown princess with family, Prince Carl Philip with family and Princess Madeleine with family, according to Jan Lindman.
Who will get the apanage in the future?
Crown Princess Victoria will receive apanage - but there is no clear limit on who else should get appanage come. That Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine with families will receive apanage in the future is not certain, said Jan Lindman.
Vad är apanage_ _ SvD
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The court Facebook has updated their cover photo to the photo we knew from the stamps published in March: The king, Victoria and Estelle. Taken by photographer Anna-Lena Ahlström.
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Old 06-13-2016, 09:23 AM
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I saw that update earlier this morning. I hope that is a subtle message: I don't dare to hope in a photo with only thr king and Estelle, but I trust the royal court will release other generational photos like this one in the future...
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:13 PM
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Carl Philip and Chris were seen in front of Restaurant Strandvägen 1 in Stockholm today
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They certainly were, LadyFinn
Victoria of Sweden and Mette-Marit of Norway enjoy a day out in Stockholm | Daily Mail Online
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:43 AM
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The royal court organizes an exhibition of five royal wedding dresses in honor of the king and queen's 40th wedding anniversary. The wedding dresses of queen Silvia, Victoria, Madeleine, Sofia and Lilian will be at the exhibition at the Royal Palace between 22nd October - 5th March 2017.
Kungliga brudklänningar på Kungliga slottet - Sveriges Kungahus

Expressen writes that the share transactions of Victoria, Carl Philip and Madeleine are going well.
The market value of their company Gluonen AB has increased strongly in 2015.
The company, which has existed for about 30 years, handles some of Victoria's, Carl Philip's and Madeleine's transactions with shares and funds.
- It has worked well over the years that I have been involved. It has not been any reason to change that, says Jan Lindman, Treasurer of the court.
The result for 2015 (profit) was 788,344 SEK, about 400 000 SEK less than in 2014.
But no money is taken out by the royal children. The money is reinvested in the company. That means they buy new shares and funds with the profit.
Bit of a million rain, it has indirectly been in 2015. The market value rose namely by almost 8.4 million to 33.2 million SEK.
Miljonerna regnar över Victoria, Carl Philip och Madeleine _ Dina Pengar
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Svensk Damtidning speculates about where the royal family is on midsummer.
The king and queen usually go to their Villa Mirage in St. Maxime with their closest friends. Princess Christina and family spend summers in Vence at Alpes Maritimes and the king and queen like the place too. Perhaps it will be midsummer with big sister for the king this year?
Victoria and Daniel go to their Villa Skönvik in Solliden always when they can. It is rumoured that Madeleine and Chris are abroad on midsummer, and Carl Philip and Sofia stay in Sweden, they will be in Trosa according to Svensk Damtidning's information.
Så firar kungafamiljen midsommar _ Svensk Damtidning
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Old 06-24-2016, 08:46 AM
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I'm expecting a picture of one of Madeleine's children, that's the only certain thing ;-)
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Old 06-29-2016, 01:27 AM
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The royal family wishes everyone a nice summer at the court website and welcomes people to visit the Royal Palaces during the summer.
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Old 06-30-2016, 12:19 PM
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I'm expecting a picture of one of Madeleine's children, that's the only certain thing ;-)
Or if we are lucky, we will see a picture of both of Princess Madeleine's children in the same picture together!
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Old 07-11-2016, 02:20 AM
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Daniel, Sofia and Sofia's sister Sara were seen on Saturday afternoon/evening in Kalmar at "A Walk in the Park" -concert, there were performing Miriam Bryant, Lars Winnerbäck, Melissa Horn and Amanda Bergman. There was over 8000 people at the concert.
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Old 07-11-2016, 05:45 PM
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:00 PM
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Svensk Damtidning has an article about "The Royal Family's Borgholm", telling about the places which the royals often visit.
Victoria and Daniel buy strawberries from "Pelle på Torget" at Bomans Torghandel. They have shopped there during all the years, both flowers and fresh fruit and vegetables. Daniel loves good food and that the ingredients are ecological and well chosen. Now and then he and Victoria visit Karin Fransson at Hotel Borgholm to eat well. Victoria likes to take Estelle to the Harvest Festival held in the end of September-beginning of October. Estelle thinks pumpkins are fun. Chris O'Neill has been seen at the Pharmacy and Sjöbergs Tobak. He buys favourite summer drink Pimms from Systembolaget (Government owned chain of liquor stores in Sweden). He and Madeleine order pizza to Solliden from the local pizzeria in Borgholm. Victoria and Daniel are often shopping at ICA Borgholm. Estelle and her parents buy Piggelin tuttifrutti ice cream bars from Pressbyrån. The royal family attends at concerts at the Borgholm Castle ruins. Victoria shops sometimes summer shoes from Nyströms Skoaffär and clothes from Lavendel. The king and queen take part at the traditional King's Rally which starts from Borgholm.
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Svensk Damtidning is the "royal" magazine in Sweden. It's longtime editor-in-chief Karin Lennmor resigned in July. She is 60 years old and was the editor-in-chief for 24 years.

Expressen's royal reporter Johan T Lindwall is the new editor-in-chief of Svensk Damtidning.
- I am extremely happy and proud that we have recruited Johan T Lindwall to Aller Media. Svensk Damtidning and Johan T Lindwall are the top brands in royal coverage in Sweden. Together, they are a dream team. Johan has also a great experience working with all new platforms and has a strong news driving. With us, he is now able to develop this as the editor-in-chief of Svensk Damtidning, says Stina Abenius, publishing director at Aller Media.
Johan T Lindwall has been a fulltime royal reporter since 2007 and has written books about the royal family.
- It's really fun and exciting to meet this challenge. I am thankful for the great support I have received. I have had fantastic years at Expressen, but when a chance like this comes, you can not say no, says Johan T Lindwall.
Johan T Lindwall starts at Aller Media and Svensk Damtidning at the latest in December.
Johan T Lindwall blir ny chefredaktör för Svensk Damtidning _ Aller.se

Article about Lindwall in Svensk Damtidning
Johan T Lindwall blir ny chefredaktör för Svensk Damtidning _ Svensk Damtidning

German florist Hans-Peter Mathes helps with the flower decorations of the royal family's big celebrations in Sweden. He told to Bunte TV, that queen Silvia visits Heidelberg more often than people think, incognito. He told also that the daughter of queen Silvia's late brother gets married in July in Bonn. He says that all the weddings have been nice for a florist, but Victoria's was of course the most special. Of the christenings he remembers best Leonore's, because one soldier fell. All the florists are like one big family and work as a team. He speaks german with the royal family and has met all the grandchildren and Estelle has greeted him: Who are you?
Silvia, Victoria & Co._ Hochzeits-Pläne & geheime Reisen_ Ein Insider plaudert _ BUNTE.de
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:29 AM
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German florist Hans-Peter Mathes helps with the flower decorations of the royal family's big celebrations in Sweden. He told to Bunte TV, that queen Silvia visits Heidelberg more often than people think, incognito. He told also that the daughter of queen Silvia's late brother gets married in July in Bonn. He says that all the weddings have been nice for a florist, but Victoria's was of course the most special. Of the christenings he remembers best Leonore's, because one soldier fell. All the florists are like one big family and work as a team. He speaks german with the royal family and has met all the grandchildren and Estelle has greeted him: Who are you?
Silvia, Victoria & Co._ Hochzeits-Pläne & geheime Reisen_ Ein Insider plaudert _ BUNTE.de
so the flowers at victoria's wedding came all the way from germany?
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so the flowers at victoria's wedding came all the way from germany?
If they did, it's not so very far.
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Old 09-20-2016, 11:14 AM
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so the flowers at victoria's wedding came all the way from germany?
No, the flowers came from Europe and South America, Colombia told before the wedding that they donate 40000 flowers to Victoria's wedding and it was later confirmed that flowers came also from South America, not just Europe.
Claes Carlsson is the main court florist, who has many florists helping him at the royal family's important events. This german Hans-Peter Mathes is one of the florists who come to Sweden to work with Carlsson at big events.

Motion: No money to Victoria's siblings
Robert Hannah from the Liberals Party wants to stop the state's payments to Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl Philip.
In a parliamentary motion, he suggests that only the head of state and the heir to the throne would get part of the annual apanage from the state.
- Taxpayers should not pay for the royal family's shopping sprees, he says.
When the royal family grows, and the grant from the state to the royal family has increased.
- Employment principle should apply to all, even the royal family. The only ones that according to the order of succession have a real mission are the head of state and the heir to the throne. The others have no job and I question why they should then get a share of government money, says Robert Hannah, Member of Parliament for the Liberals.
- The royal family gets more money because there are more members, but they do not make more work for it.
That claim is denied by Margareta Thorgren, the director of the press department in her commentary:
"The grant is in addition to a supplement for improved security, only adjusted in the same way as other government grants to compensate for price and wage increases. Thus, there is no connection between the apanage and the number of members of the royal family".
In the current situation works disbursement of appanage so that the court submits a budget which then forms the basis of how much money royal family receives. Then the king chooses how the money should be divided between family members. Poor management of taxpayers' money, says Hannah, requiring clearer rules.
- Taxpayers should not pay for the royal family's shopping sprees. Give the taxpayers' money for instance for assistance for the disabled, not to one of Sweden's wealthiest families.
That the apanage from the state finances the royal family's shopping sprees is incorrect, says Jan Lindman from the court.
- It is simply not true. The grant pays for the operations of the court in the form of state visits, trips and also the staff, on the court. A smaller part of the apanage goes to the royal family's expenses.
How much of the money goes to each family member is not always obvious. On the contrary, there are conditions.
- For Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine's part they receive a part of the apanage in relation to the amount of official duties they perform at the King's behalf. The grant has not increased when the family has expanded. On the contrary: Now people get more royal activities for the money because there are now more royals and they can do more work. But they do not get more money for it.
Robert Hannah_ Stoppa apanaget till Carl Philip och Madde _ Kungligt _ Expressen
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Motion: No money to Victoria's siblings
Robert Hannah from the Liberals Party wants to stop the state's payments to Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl Philip.
In a parliamentary motion, he suggests that only the head of state and the heir to the throne would get part of the annual apanage from the state.
- Taxpayers should not pay for the royal family's shopping sprees, he says.
When the royal family grows, and the grant from the state to the royal family has increased.
- Employment principle should apply to all, even the royal family. The only ones that according to the order of succession have a real mission are the head of state and the heir to the throne. The others have no job and I question why they should then get a share of government money, says Robert Hannah, Member of Parliament for the Liberals.
- The royal family gets more money because there are more members, but they do not make more work for it.
That claim is denied by Margareta Thorgren, the director of the press department in her commentary:
"The grant is in addition to a supplement for improved security, only adjusted in the same way as other government grants to compensate for price and wage increases. Thus, there is no connection between the apanage and the number of members of the royal family".
In the current situation works disbursement of appanage so that the court submits a budget which then forms the basis of how much money royal family receives. Then the king chooses how the money should be divided between family members. Poor management of taxpayers' money, says Hannah, requiring clearer rules.
- Taxpayers should not pay for the royal family's shopping sprees. Give the taxpayers' money for instance for assistance for the disabled, not to one of Sweden's wealthiest families.
That the apanage from the state finances the royal family's shopping sprees is incorrect, says Jan Lindman from the court.
- It is simply not true. The grant pays for the operations of the court in the form of state visits, trips and also the staff, on the court. A smaller part of the apanage goes to the royal family's expenses.
How much of the money goes to each family member is not always obvious. On the contrary, there are conditions.
- For Prince Carl Philip and Princess Madeleine's part they receive a part of the apanage in relation to the amount of official duties they perform at the King's behalf. The grant has not increased when the family has expanded. On the contrary: Now people get more royal activities for the money because there are now more royals and they can do more work. But they do not get more money for it.
Robert Hannah_ Stoppa apanaget till Carl Philip och Madde _ Kungligt _ Expressen
Thanks, Lady Finn. I must admit I don't understand the motion though.

According to the Swedish Royal Court website, the apanage is divided between the King's Household, the Queen's Household, Crown Princess Victoria's Household, and the Royal Mews. Then, there is a separate public grant (i.e. not part of the apanage) which is used for maintenance of the Royal Palaces.

In other words, Madeleine and CP, as of today, already do not get any direct funding from the Swedish taxpayer. Whatever money they get is paid through one of the grant recipients above (I'd imagine, probably the King's Household).

As I understand it then, the motion is not really for CP and Madeleine not to get any public money, which is already the case, but rather to cut the apanage based on the argument that recent increases were made to pay for an enlarged royal family, which, as Margaretha Thorgren said, is not accurate.

Furthermore, although CP and Madeleine do not get direct public funding, I believe it is fair that, when they participate in public engagements on behalf of the King, they should be reimbursed from the King's Household grant for the associated expenses. Don't you also think so ?
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Who becomes regent when Victoria is queen and she leaves Sweden? Has that been formally determined?
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Who becomes regent when Victoria is queen and she leaves Sweden? Has that been formally determined?
The Instrument of Government says that, when the Head of State is absent, the first person in the line of succession who is over 18 and is present in Sweden assumes the regency. If there is no one available in the line of succession meeting the aforementioned conditions, then the Riksdag must appoint an ínterim regent,

There is no need then to lay down Specific rules for Victoria's reign as the matter is already covered in the constitution.
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Thanks, Lady Finn. I must admit I don't understand the motion though.

According to the Swedish Royal Court website, the apanage is divided between the King's Household, the Queen's Household, Crown Princess Victoria's Household, and the Royal Mews. Then, there is a separate public grant (i.e. not part of the apanage) which is used for maintenance of the Royal Palaces.

In other words, Madeleine and CP, as of today, already do not get any direct funding from the Swedish taxpayer. Whatever money they get is paid through one of the grant recipients above (I'd imagine, probably the King's Household).

As I understand it then, the motion is not really for CP and Madeleine not to get any public money, which is already the case, but rather to cut the apanage based on the argument that recent increases were made to pay for an enlarged royal family, which, as Margaretha Thorgren said, is not accurate.

Furthermore, although CP and Madeleine do not get direct public funding, I believe it is fair that, when they participate in public engagements on behalf of the King, they should be reimbursed from the King's Household grant for the associated expenses. Don't you also think so ?
I think Robert Hannah really wants to take the apanage away from Carl Philip and Madeleine. And in that way the apanage could be cut in some extent. The problem is that the court doesn't publish the sums how much of the apanage is given to the king and queen, how much to Victoria and Daniel and how much to Carl Philip and Madeleine. I think many people doubt the court's statement that Carl Philip and Madeleine get the apanage only when they do work duties on behalf of the king. And what is a work duty? Is the Royal family photo call in Solliden on their summer holiday a work event, Madeleine wore there a Valentino blouse which cost over 1400 euros (Especially Svensk Damtidning publishes the prizes of the outfits very often). Madeleine has chosen to live in London, so does the court pay her flight tickets (and her children's flight tickets if they attend at an event too) every time she comes to Sweden, because she usually comes to some official family celebration or a state work event. Is the private funeral of countess Gunnila Bernadotte an official work event, it is at the royal calendar?
This summer the gossip press has constantly written about Madeleine's luxurious way of life, mostly of her holidays and constant shopping new clothes. And Madeleine doesn't do so many work events in a year. Maybe Robert Hannah has seen the headlines and started to look how much Madeleine and Carl Philip work and what kind of a role they have in the royal family and in Sweden.

Here is Robert Hannah's motion at the website of the Riksdag
Begränsa apanaget till statschef och tronarvinge Motion 2016_17_63 av Robert Hannah (L) - Riksdagen

There is a poll at Aftonbladet's article about Hannah's motion: Should the apanage be taken away from Carl Philip and Madeleine?
Now there is almost 143 000 answers, 84,1 % says Yes.¨
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I'm not surprised about Hannah's suggestion. I think it's a mistake that the court doesn't specify the amounts that goes to Madeleine and Carl Philip. My gut feeling is that most people think that the king&queen and Victoria&Daniel does a good job. But Madeleine is the work shy princess who is married to an american who doesn't want to learn swedish or show up on family occasions. (That doesn't mean that I totally agree with that, but I would say that's a quite common opinion). Why should she be given money for plane tickets or expensive clothes?

The court needs to be more open on these issues. If not, there is a big risk that it backfires.
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