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Old 02-27-2021, 08:58 AM
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I wonder if that is because Leonor is, from their point of view, a member of a foreign royal family and therefore informing their readers takes precedence over using the normal forms of address of the foreign royal house of which she is a member. It could be similar to how foreign royal watchers choose to refer to "Prince Alexander of Sweden" or "Archduchess Anna Astrid of Austria-Este", even knowing that those are not their correct styles in Sweden or Belgium respectively.

I think Leonor's case is different because, whereas there are several living Princes of Sweden or Archdukes of Austria-Este, there is only one living person in the world bearing the title of Princess of Asturias, as there is also only one living person in the world who bears the title of Prince of Wales.


Therefore, "Princess of Asturias" in my opinion uniquely identifies Doña Leonor de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Ortiz, just as "Prince of Wales" uniquely identifies The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George. There is no need to add the name Leonor to the designation "of Asturias" to identify her to potential readers, whether in Spain or overseas.


Of course, I am pretty sure that, when Leonor is enrolled in the college, her given names and family names will be entered in the college register, just as Charles' given names appear on his sons' birth certificates, his marriage certificate and his UK passport.
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Princess Leonor will preside over her first solo event at the Instituto Cervantes on March 24.
The Princess of Asturias will preside over the event commemorating the 30th anniversary of the creation of the organization for the promotion and teaching of the Spanish language.

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"His Royal Highness the Princess of Asturias, commissioned by Her Majesty the King, will preside over at the Cervantes Institute on March 24th the event commemorating the 30th anniversary of the creation of the institute. In her first solo activity and as a symbolic act, the Princess of Asturias will deposit in the Caja de las Letras the copy of the Constitution that she read on October 31, 2018 and the copy of El Quixote whose reading she shared on April 23, 2020 with Infanta Sofia.
The Princess of Asturias uttered her first words in public with the reading of the Constitution on October 31, 2018 at the headquarters of the Cervantes Institute, coinciding with the 40th anniversary of our Constitution. And he participated on April 23 last year, together with Infanta Sofia, in the collective reading of El Quixote that is organized annually on The Day of Letters. This edition was dedicated to all health and collective staff of essential services who put all their efforts into the fight against COVID19.
Princess Leonor will take a tour of the facilities of the Cervantes Institute, where she will have the opportunity to know the digitization projects of the Institute and to visit an exhibition with a sample of outstanding works of literature in the different co-official languages in Spain".
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Old 03-18-2021, 06:25 AM
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Oh looking forward to this event. Princess Lenore is a beautiful young who seems to be growing in confidence when speaking to an audience.
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However, if the goal was to inform their readers. Wouldn't the title 'HRH Princess Leonor of Spain' be much more informative? I don't think all readers will be aware that Asturias is a Spanish region; and even less so that someone called princess of Asturias will be a princess (more specifically the heir) of the royal house of Spain?!
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I think Leonor's case is different because, whereas there are several living Princes of Sweden or Archdukes of Austria-Este, there is only one living person in the world bearing the title of Princess of Asturias, as there is also only one living person in the world who bears the title of Prince of Wales.

Therefore, "Princess of Asturias" in my opinion uniquely identifies Doña Leonor de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Ortiz, just as "Prince of Wales" uniquely identifies The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George. There is no need to add the name Leonor to the designation "of Asturias" to identify her to potential readers, whether in Spain or overseas.

My point was simply that people often decide to write foreign royal titles in "mistaken" ways. It is well-known that Princess Anna Astrid is not identified as "Archduchess" in Belgium and Prince Alexander is not identified as "of Sweden" in Sweden, but foreign royal watchers continuously refer to them in that manner.

However, I take Somebody's point that if the college was not interested in following Spanish protocol, referring to Princess Leonor of Spain would have been more informative to readers.


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I suspect it's just a mistake. It wasn't the college that mis wrote her name, it was the Tatler writer Tori Cadogan. Tatler should also know better but there you are.

We've seen that even Royal Courts that should know better getting foreign (to them) titles mixed up. Most places in the UK get "HRH The Prince of Wales" right but I've seen articles talking about "Prince Charles of Wales" before now or even Charles, Prince of Wales. To say nothing of the confusion about "Duchess Kate Middleton" or Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex" for example where SEO seems to be the most important thing.
Tatler likely copied the mistake from the college's press release which uses Princess Leonor of Asturias.

Announcement: HRH Princess Leonor of Asturias | News | UWC Atlantic College
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Oh looking forward to this event. Princess Lenore is a beautiful young who seems to be growing in confidence when speaking to an audience.
I wonder if the queen and the Infanta Sofía will be present?
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I wonder if the queen and the Infanta Sofía will be present?
According to the statement, Princess Leonor will go to this event alone.
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Is she the first prince/ss from young generation to have a solo event? IIRC even Elisabeth hasn't had a solo event before.
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Old 03-18-2021, 08:51 AM
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According to the statement, Princess Leonor will go to this event alone.

Isn't she too young (at 15) to have a solo event like that ?


Maybe the King is pushing her too hard for her age. What do you think?
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Isn't she too young (at 15) to have a solo event like that ?


Maybe the King is pushing her too hard for her age. What do you think?
She's not exactly going alone. She will certainly she accompanied by assistants from the royal house.
This will be a big step for her, it is the first event she will attend without being accompanied by other members of the royal family.
I don't know if the King is pressuring her, but if she's going to have an event on her own, it's because they think she's ready.
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Old 03-18-2021, 10:05 AM
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Fifteen does seem young and, yet, she appears particularly poised and confident for her age.
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If it's a more formal event like ceremony or meeting it may be too early for her. From what I understand it seems that it's a relatively casual and relaxing event, which I think would be fine for her age.
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Is she the first prince/ss from young generation to have a solo event? IIRC even Elisabeth hasn't had a solo event before.
Princess Lalla Khadija went on a solo event not too long ago and she is younger than Leonor. Crown Prince Moulay Hassan has been doing solo events for a while now, and he is just two years older than Leonor.


I don't remember if Ingrid Alexandra went solo or not, but I remember that she went to a inauguration of a ship. Did she go solo?


Elisabeth has been to some events, but she is either accompanied by her parents, or just her father or just her mother, or even just one sibling (last time she visited an Elderly Home with Emmanuel, which was remarkable in itself, as the older one, she had to take the lead).
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Thanks for the info!

IIRC Ingrid Alexandra had christening the ship accompanied by her father. She also had some event with her grandmother for her sculpture park.

Regarding Elisabeth, yes I remember that too. She and also Gabriel were remarkable in these event with their young siblings.
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It seems to be a good event for Leonor, not too formal, just like the one Lalla Khadija did 3 months ago.
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Ingrid Alexandra has definitely never been on a solo engagement, she has always been accompanied by at least one of her parents or grandparents.

I can also not think of another example for the young generation of European royals, except for the nursing home visit by Elisabeth & Emmanuel and the corresponding volunteer event that Gabriel & Eleonore did (which I agree was absolutely lovely and so well done by all of them!)

Leonor does seem quite young to be doing an engagement all by herself. In general there's just so much pressure on her. I think she's doing really well, but it seems like a lot for a 15-year-old.
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Old 03-18-2021, 12:45 PM
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At the age of 15, her father made his first official solo trip to Cartagena de Indias (Colombia).

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I think 15 is very young, but I also think she is able able to handle it.

I used to think young heirs should have a long time before they started handling official duties, but after years of royal-watching, I think it may be wiser to start them off slowly as teenagers.

A solo event is a big deal though. ETA: it appears she is very much following in her father's steps.
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Interesting. What was he doing alone in another country (Colombia) and in another continent (South America) at the age of 15?
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It's a big step for a 15-year-old. Good luck to her - I hope it goes well. I'm sure it will :-) .
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I'm sure the Princess will excel,a most confident royal young lady.
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