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Old 11-08-2020, 10:55 PM
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You aren't comparing Isabella II to modern times

Thank heavens politics, society and expectations have changed in the 174 years since Isabella II was forced into marriage. Heck things have changed since her grandparents got married.

The expectation of a royal heir having to marry early and pump out heirs ended decades ago. Felipe was 36 hardly an old man when he married. Neither Leonor or her sister are going to be rushed into an early marriage to an 'acceptable man'. Unlike the 1800's, life expectancy is much higher, mortality rate in mothers is much lower. Chance of child death is much lower. There is no need to marry at 18 and pump out 18 pregnancies, because you likely will lose 12 of those and another 3 or 4 will die in childhood or war.

When Felipe came to the throne his daughters were 9 and 7 years old. He still has another decade or so before Leonor is done her schooling and training, and takes on full time royal duties. He and Letizia will be the only working senior royals for at least another 10 years.'

Why will Leonor be lonely??? Her father is only 52. He is not likely to die for another 2 or 3 decades, and her mother either. If Felipe chose to abdicate, and did at the age his father did at 76, that would still leave Leonor another 24 years before she will be queen. At 39 she is likely to be married and have a child or two under her belt. As her father has proven for six years now, a Spanish monarch is more than capable of running the country without a sibling or adult child to step in for duties.


And what major scandal have her cousins been involved with? Or her second aunt for that matter?
I didn't really want to be rude and take other contemporary examples , so I took the closest one in the history of my own country but well, here we have the contemporary situation that can be given: Harry and William

A brother who for some "betrays" his family, and makes a "parallel" palatial court or tries to do so. It is not so different from what Isabel II and the Infanta Luisa Fernanda did, right? LOL
The difference is that Guillermo has a grandmother who is almost a century old, a very old father but he has many cousins ​​and uncles who have been active and who could be active for the crown. In Spain NO
As for the scandals, you can look at the press, because here it is not appropriate to deal with that and there is a section open for the scandals of King Juan Carlos I, but they have splashed on the TWO aunts (Cristina is evident since her husband was convicted) and now Victoria Federica is immersed in other financial plots due to the purchase of her mare. Felipe and Victoria Federica on the other hand, are not exactly what the Spanish would want for king. That should be discussed in another topic, I think.
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Old 11-09-2020, 12:24 AM
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Again ignoring the point. There is no need for Leonor to be rushed into marriage. Spain and the UK are very different.

Spain currently has 2 working royals and that works perfectly fine. Felipe has No siblings, has no parents working (other then the odd appearance of his mother) and no adult children. He has no cousins, he has no nieces and nephews. Its just him. And his wife. And that is more then enough royals.

So if Sofia decides to run off with an American and move to Hollywood, her sister is not going to be left in desperate straights. Just like Archie is still in line for the British throne, and Cristina's children are still in line for the Spanish throne, so would Sofia's children if she had them.

Leonor bar some accident or unfortunate illness will likely have a good 20 years or more before she comes to the throne. More then enough time for her to finish school, date for some years, and marry. No need to race her to the alter at 18 and popping out children.


And you have yet to explain what scandal Elena has been in. You mention Victoria and Cristina, but the king's two sisters are Cristina and Elena.


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I think there will be a lot of pressure. The later you have children, the more difficult it gets - I think that Felipe and Letizia had a lot more time for their daughters when they were still PoA, being King is a different ball game in terms of responsibility and time consuming issues. There will be a lot on her shoulders to please everyone or at least those she has to please, education, find a suitable husband, have children without having fertility issues, prepare for the top job that can come tomorrow or in a few decades ... I think it will be easier for Felipe to accept the truth of such a predetermined life but it must be horrible to watch for Letizia who used to be a free woman, free of choice, independent and autonomous before she married into the SRF and took that choice from her daughters.

Yes once you hit 35 your fertility rate starts going down. But thats still 20 years off.

We're not talking the 1800s and earlier when women hit 25 and people though they were too old to marry. Thought they couldnt have a healthy pregnancy. Why royal women were married off as young as possible. The suggestion a 'proper' marriage will be arranged when she is young so she can shoot off heirs, is a laugh.

Letizia is not a fool. She knew when she married into the royal family what it would mean for her children. If she thought it would be hard to accept her oldest daughter would have no choice in career, she would not have married a king. This isn't some fairy tale where she walked into things blindly.
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Old 11-09-2020, 04:47 AM
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Yes Letizia is not silly, she knew perfectly well what it meant to her and her children when she married Felipe.
Letizia is smart, when married knew what would be her future is knew that the children (mainly the heir) could not choose a career.
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The Princess of Asturias is this week's cover of the Spanish magazine SEMANA.
SEMANA knew firsthand the intention of the Crown with which Princess Leonor will present herself. 2021 will undoubtedly be the year in which the heir to the throne takes on a more important role in this role. With Leonor at the head of Casa Real, they intend to change the image of the institution, valuing the work of the heir to the throne.
According to SEMANA magazine, the crown heiress wanted to communicate to her parents, King Felipe VI and Queen Letizia, that she is willing to take a step forward and that they can count on her. Something that made your parents proud.

https://www.semana.es/casas-reales/f...230-002298579/
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The Princess of Asturias is this week's cover of the Spanish magazine SEMANA.
SEMANA knew firsthand the intention of the Crown with which Princess Leonor will present herself. 2021 will undoubtedly be the year in which the heir to the throne takes on a more important role in this role. With Leonor at the head of Casa Real, they intend to change the image of the institution, valuing the work of the heir to the throne.
According to SEMANA magazine, the crown heiress wanted to communicate to her parents, King Felipe VI and Queen Letizia, that she is willing to take a step forward and that they can count on her. Something that made your parents proud.

https://www.semana.es/casas-reales/f...230-002298579/
So, SEMANA already knows what Leonor yet has to tell her parents?!
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Old 02-10-2021, 05:38 AM
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Princess Leonor will study at UWC Atlantic College in Wales where she studied and the Princess Elisabeth of Belgium

"Their Majesties the Kings announce that Her Royal Highness the Princess of Asturias will study the International Baccalaureate program of the United World Colleges (UWC) educational institution at the UWC Atlantic College in Wales, United Kingdom.
Princess Leonor has undergone the entire selection process required by the Fundación Comité Español de los Colegios del Mundo Unido (UWC Spain), which consists of an initial pre-selection phase, developed anonymously by each candidate, and a phase final, carried out electronically with different tests.
The academic program is developed in two years (2021-2022 and 2022-2023) and includes both science and literature subjects."


https://www.casareal.es/ES/AreaPrens....aspx?data=115
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Have there been any other primary or secondary schools which have enrolled (future) monarchs from two separate countries within a single generation? It seems like quite the distinction for the school.
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Old 02-10-2021, 05:59 AM
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Princess Leonor will study at UWC Atlantic College in Wales where she studied and the Princess Elisabeth of Belgium

"Their Majesties the Kings announce that Her Royal Highness the Princess of Asturias will study the International Baccalaureate program of the United World Colleges (UWC) educational institution at the UWC Atlantic College in Wales, United Kingdom.
Princess Leonor has undergone the entire selection process required by the Fundación Comité Español de los Colegios del Mundo Unido (UWC Spain), which consists of an initial pre-selection phase, developed anonymously by each candidate, and a phase final, carried out electronically with different tests.
The academic program is developed in two years (2021-2022 and 2022-2023) and includes both science and literature subjects."


https://www.casareal.es/ES/AreaPrens....aspx?data=115
This must mean that the college handled Princess Elisabeth studying there well. I'm sure that the royal families talk about things like this when they get together. Maybe we'll see more royal students there eventually.
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Seems like its a good school and as an international 6th Form college it gives everyone the opportunity to meet people from all over the world who are all new together, gain an international degree and hopefully thrive in the Welsh countryside with a lot of emphasis on outdoor activities.
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Old 02-10-2021, 06:28 AM
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Princess Leonor will study at UWC Atlantic College in Wales where she studied and the Princess Elisabeth of Belgium

"Their Majesties the Kings announce that Her Royal Highness the Princess of Asturias will study the International Baccalaureate program of the United World Colleges (UWC) educational institution at the UWC Atlantic College in Wales, United Kingdom.
Princess Leonor has undergone the entire selection process required by the Fundación Comité Español de los Colegios del Mundo Unido (UWC Spain), which consists of an initial pre-selection phase, developed anonymously by each candidate, and a phase final, carried out electronically with different tests.
The academic program is developed in two years (2021-2022 and 2022-2023) and includes both science and literature subjects."


https://www.casareal.es/ES/AreaPrens....aspx?data=115





Atlantic College is becoming a magnet for Crown Princes/Princesses. First, Willem Alexander, then Elisabeth of Belgium, and now Leonor. Quite impressive !
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Have there been any other primary or secondary schools which have enrolled (future) monarchs from two separate countries within a single generation? It seems like quite the distinction for the school.
Future Monarchs from the same generation? Probably Eton and Harrow, internationally maybe Le Rosey. I think Knig Hussein of Jordan and Feisal of Iraq were at Harrow at the same time. And the Emir of Qatar was there was well.

Plenty of schools have had various royals from different countries attend at one time or another, but this one is certainly going to be looked at very closely now.
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Photos from UWC Atlantic College, where will study the Princess of Asturias.

https://www.hola.com/realeza/casa_es...tic-college/1/
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Won't be surprised if Felipe and Letizia had talked about this with Philippe and Mathilde .

Elisabeth had grown a lot after she came back from Wales, more mature, more confident. It probably would be a great experience for Leonor too.

That also makes me wonder, would UWC Atlantic College, at the end, have all three young generation heiresses as their alumni? W-A studied there too, so is it possible that C-A will studied there someday too?
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I don’t ever doubt The other parents of Heirs and Heiresses talk and get advice and compare( in their heads of course) and want their children to be just as mature and prepared as the Others And The Duchess of Brabant has really set the bar high.
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Spanish Royal Family is closely linked to the Spanish Committee of United World Colleges. Infante Carlos was the president for many years and now Alberto Aza, former head of the Royal House, is. King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofía, and now King Felipe and Queen Letizia are honorary presidents of the organization.

The school of Wales was founded by the German educator Kurt Hanh, who founded the school of Schloss Salem, the German boarding school where Queen Sofia studied. King Felipe studied in Lakefield College School, a Canadian school belonging to the Round Square organization, which is also based on the educational theories of Hanh. Constantine of Greece and the Duke of Edinburgh are also linked to the schools of Hanh, and several members of the British Royal Family attended a Scottish school founded by him.
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Its certainly a huge PR boost for UWC Atlantic College to have 2 future queens on the Academic records.
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Old 02-10-2021, 08:44 AM
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Princess Leonor will study at UWC Atlantic College in Wales where she studied and the Princess Elisabeth of Belgium

"Their Majesties the Kings announce that Her Royal Highness the Princess of Asturias will study the International Baccalaureate program of the United World Colleges (UWC) educational institution at the UWC Atlantic College in Wales, United Kingdom.
Princess Leonor has undergone the entire selection process required by the Fundación Comité Español de los Colegios del Mundo Unido (UWC Spain), which consists of an initial pre-selection phase, developed anonymously by each candidate, and a phase final, carried out electronically with different tests.
The academic program is developed in two years (2021-2022 and 2022-2023) and includes both science and literature subjects."


https://www.casareal.es/ES/AreaPrens....aspx?data=115

Further information from the Casa Real press release about the cost of the program (British English programme?) which will be paid for, if I understood it correctly, from the King's annual grant (in other word, with taxpayers' money). Maybe King Felipe is not wealthy enough to pay it with his own private funds.



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El coste del bachillerato internacional que cursará la Princesa de Asturias será satisfecho en su integridad personalmente por Sus Majestades los Reyes con su asignación anual y asciende a la cantidad de 67.000 libras esterlinas.
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The school of Wales was founded by the German educator Kurt Hanh, who founded the school of Schloss Salem, the German boarding school where Queen Sofia studied. King Felipe studied in Lakefield College School, a Canadian school belonging to the Round Square organization, which is also based on the educational theories of Hanh. Constantine of Greece and the Duke of Edinburgh are also linked to the schools of Hanh, and several members of the British Royal Family attended a Scottish school founded by him.
Yes indeed it's based on Hahn's theory, he had an interesting life. He was a great influence on the Duke of Edinburgh's life through Gordonstoun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Hahn
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Yes indeed it's based on Hahn's theory, he had an interesting life. He was a great influence on the Duke of Edinburgh's life through Gordonstoun.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Hahn

I don't know much about him, but Hahn's depiction in The Crown was pretty scary to me. I hope Atlantic College is very different from Gordonstoun, which looks like a horrible place for children. But again, as I said, I don't know much about it really.
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Interesting choice for Leonor - I'm sure Sofia will miss having her sister while Leonor is a border in Wales.

I wonder will she return for events like the Princess of Asturias awards and National Day etc
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