Princess Letizia's Family, News Part 3: September 2007 - February 2008

[crisiñaki]

yeah right, a lot of money on Cangas...
she had a small store with a stand on the street and she did some pottery and stuff like that
but yeah, she had the big bucks, that's why she dressed like a 70's reject and was having trouble with money

I think the worst part of all is that Henar didn't seem to realize that everything she does and says can be used against Letizia (and being Letizia's aunt is what has given her almost everything she has now), she's an attention seeker, a friki, and it's quite sad she doesn't stop to think on the consequences of her acts and how those cannot benefit Letizia on any way

 

[lula]

I find the media attitude quite aggressive in Spain looking at the video (and I live in Britain!), Menchu & Henar being followed and photographed all the time (ok, Henar is an attention seeker but quite unimportant after all). Unless there has been a specific reason or occasion, I can't recall family members or relatives of a member of the BRF being constantly followed by the media. Sometimes I think there is only Letizia in Spain who is able to produce those headlines that bring the real money and to me it looks like Spain is lacking some major scandals or misbehaving top class VIPs who could draw the attention away from the CP If the british media depended on those silly or not really scandalous stories about Charles & Camilla in order to survive, OMG, they would be in deep trouble to make it to the next day.

You would be surprised. At least neither Henar, nor no member of the family Ortiz Rocasolano has received money for speaking in a magazine or going to a television, and because of it they would receive with many facility thousands of Euros. The numbers I assure you that they are scandalous.

The Princess Letizia has been from the first moment a great business, and the most surprising thing is that nobody nearby has taken advantage of her to fill their pocket of money. On the contrary they are journalists and agencies of press those that they are making rich with the Princess, in a game where everything is valid.

From the first moment this family has been very persecuted, a thing that had never happened in the environment of the Royal Family. Not neither with the sons-in-law of the King and their families, nor with the nephews of the King ... Letizia's family, they were defenseless persons to whom nobody was defending of the press, and that were interested for being a family of... Paloma Rocasolano has had for 3 years to the press in the door of her work but every day, if every week, Erika was chased by the press that was waiting for her in the college of her daughter, Jesus Ortiz has said from all the possible forms to the press that should not chase for the street, Francisco Rocasolano at his 90 years was chased by the press that later one was deceiving of him, Menchu has supported that the press gets into the garden of her house without permission.

And my favorite moment, the most atrocious behavior that I have seen in the press of this country, Carla Vigo Ortiz with 6 years chased by the press two days after her mother died. After it I believe that they cannot make anything worse to this family.

And do they criticize Henar because she speaks about her designs? (It is about what she speaks in the magazine not of other thing)

Shame should have the press.

 

[lula]

yeah right, a lot of money on Cangas...
she had a small store with a stand on the street and she did some pottery and stuff like that
but yeah, she had the big bucks, that's why she dressed like a 70's reject and was having trouble with money

I cannot judge it, because I did not know her shop, do not believe that you knew it either ... and unfortunately wicked rumors there are many. I know her shop of now, and it is a small, not special at all shop. For other side, Cangas de Onis is a tourist site, Covadonga is visited by thousands of persons in summer, so very badly negotiate it did not have to be.

Neither it is necessary to judge her aspect, her first images were taken in the village, with totally informal clothes. I do not know many people that dress equal in the city that in a village in the mountain. Like it is normal that if you start having public life you take care more of your aspect. For my her more evident change it was the hair. For the rest takes any image of someone without making up and with informal clothes and compare with someone made up, hairdo and dressed good ... another person. If she has changed for better, better for her.

Certainly, I am sorry that you do not have opinion about the business of the members of the Royal Family, which if they charge of the State and they have privileges. I believe that it is more questionable, and that nevertheless continues being chosen for the aim that is easy to attack.

 

[crisiñaki]

I think everybody is to blame:

the press for being so bloodthirsty
famous people and their relatives/acquantainces for being greedy enough to sell their dignity and family for money or fame
people for watching those shows and buying those magazines

some of course are innocent like little Carla but others just got what they deserve (like Henar, if she doesn't want critics, then she should keep a low profile )

it's more like a social phenomenon in Spain the fact that everybody loves each other's disgrace and loves to bitch about everybody, the press wouldn't chase people or be the way they are if there wasn't an audience for it

 

[lula]

Ultimately, it is normal that if someone suffers the negative thing, also it wants to take advantage of the positive thing.

Because of it, for my the limits are clear. With the situation that nowadays has the Spanish press, I believe that if the persons speak about their work there is no problem. For my Hernar Ortiz is not problem, if she speaks about her designs and about her shop .... if she will charge of her personal life and of the life of her family, yes it would be serious.

Paloma Rocasolano has been the most patient woman of Spain (with the Duchess of Alba) and yes, for the people have sharm, but she has supported every day to the press and they questions insolent and stupid.

Jesus Ortiz, has asked to the press that it does not chase, less patient but always educated. And the yellow press has drawn it as a non polite .... curiously the journalists who have had the opportunity to speak with him without pursuit say that is a polite and correct man.

If you are good with the press they take advantage, if you it are not so much, take revenge ... whatever happens they are going to look for arguments to criticize. They have to look for material. If in several days they do not have news on the princess, already they take charge looking for something for absurdity that it is.

The Royal House presses in order that the press respects to the Infanta Elena and her family, Zapatero prohibits that one photographs his daughters .... but there are many defenseless persons.

If the family Ortiz Rocasolano had requested this protection for Carla, who is protected by the law, it had turned in a scandal and had criticized to the family. The family has had to choose to protect they the girl, and because does not appear not in the family photos like in the baptism of her cousin.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

From the first moment this family has been very persecuted, a thing that had never happened in the environment of the Royal Family. Not neither with the sons-in-law of the King and their families, nor with the nephews of the King ... Letizia's family, they were defenseless persons to whom nobody was defending of the press, and that were interested for being a family of... Paloma Rocasolano has had for 3 years to the press in the door of her work but every day, if every week, Erika was chased by the press that was waiting for her in the college of her daughter, Jesus Ortiz has said from all the possible forms to the press that should not chase for the street, Francisco Rocasolano at his 90 years was chased by the press that later one was deceiving of him, Menchu has supported that the press gets into the garden of her house without permission.

And my favorite moment, the most atrocious behavior that I have seen in the press of this country, Carla Vigo Ortiz with 6 years chased by the press two days after her mother died. After it I believe that they cannot make anything worse to this family.

And do they criticize Henar because she speaks about her designs? (It is about what she speaks in the magazine not of other thing)

Shame should have the press.

I agree lula and I guess we've been here before . Still this is hard for me to understand since I don't recall such permanent harassment in any other royal family in terms of extended family members (unless they are attentions seekers, of course). Yes, others do get harassed as well but usually in connection to some scandals or events popping up and as soon as the storm is over it gets quiet again. Why not in Spain? Why does the press wait at Palomas work place every day or take a picture of a 90 year old man when he buys his daily newspaper? Can't believe people are insterested in reading that, day in day out. There must be more exciting things in Spain to write about than Letizia or her family. How did the media industry exist before her. Seems they have waited for 35 years for Felipe to get married (hopefully to a woman who does not have some powerful lobby) in order to make a serious amount of $$$.

or late Baron Thyssen son, Borja and his wife Blanca (who look like a mob hitman and his trophy wife):

They are really cheap:
http://www.elperiodico.com/EDICION/ED070922/CAS/FOTOS/EPP_ND/CARP01/f083mh12.jpg, that's as embarrassing as it can get. OK, Tita's background is not exactly noble either but I wonder what Heini would have thought about this combination Borja went from remote controlled high society kid to a tattoed biker and Blanca had some serious surgery, went from A to DDD+. An odd couple and definitely not what Tita had in mind for her obedient son

 

[crisiñaki]

I agree with you in some points lula, the Rocasolano branch has been really patient with the press and they are always kind but never attention seekers like Henar is, that's why I like them

Henar is embarrassing the family with her far fetched tales about a english dandy and God knows what

 

[lula]

But she does not damage to anybody for doing thet commentary. In the fund she is a bit innocent, does not seem to me to be not dangerous at all.

I have been thinking, in some "animals" of tv linked to the Borbón.

Leandro de Borbón, illegitimate child of Alfonso XIII it has been done of gold in the televisions, telling his life and doing the commentaries that he has wanted on the Royal Family, that nobody knows if they are true or not.

Alessandro Lequio, grandson of the Infanta Beatriz, aunt of the King, is the worst example of all, lives of the scandals for many years, and now he is employed at television.

Olivia de Borbón, daughter of the Duke of Seville, a distant cousin of the King, came to a reality show of television, where she began a sentimental relation.http://www.geneall.net/H/per_page.php?id=373878

I believe that all these figures are more scandalous enough.

 

[crisiñaki]

Henar missed her call, she should have been a stand-up comedy artist, some of the things she says are just too far fetched and funny not to laugh
oh, uncle Leandro funny old guy, since he doesn't work he has to make a living out of something, right? the funniest part is that he speaks like he has breakfast and lunch with the RF everyday
Count Lecquio is one of those relatives you don't wanna have (like Henar ), the black sheep that exists in every family

 

[lula]

Count Lecquio is one of those relatives you don't wanna have (like Henar ), the black sheep that exists in every family

I believe that the difference between Lequio and she is big ... when Henar appears in the front page of a magazine with a man in the bed, when she criticizes to her ex-boyfriends in the television, comment on her romances, comment reality shows, and earn thousands of Euros for doing it ... that is what Lequio does...we speak.

 

[Little_star]

I wouldn't blame Letizia, what her family does isn't really her fault; but Henar should think twice before going all public on her niece, I think she should have been more discrete

Iñaki's siblings never changed their line of work after his marriage to Cristina, one of his sisters is even a successful surgeon in USA and they never go into the media, if they are invited to acts on the Basque country is a "family" courtesy or sometimes they are involved in the place where the RF is going to go, like his brother Mikel who works at Deusto University in Vitoria

I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.

Letizia can be a media darling or the media's scapegoat and like I said, her family isn't helping matters behaving like that, she's bound to be news wherever she goes and her family is a big part of her life and it's quite a pity they are putting themselves ahead of her like that

From what I can see Letizia's family with th exception of one person are not doing anything untoward or exceptional. They are just quietly getting on with their lives.

With all due respect there are other Royals out there with far more questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin, M-M's former boyfriend etc.

It seems to me that there are some people out there who are determined to criticise Letizia, even stooping to using her family as a stick to beat her with.

 

[RhapsodyBrat]

I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.

From what I can see Letizia's family with the exception of one person are not doing anything untoward or exceptional. They are just quietly getting on with their lives.

With all due respect there are other Royals out there with far more questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin, M-M's former boyfriend etc.

It seems to me that there are some people out there who are determined to criticise Letizia, even stooping to using her family as a stick to beat her with.

i agree with you. i've been reading about how other people have been bashing Henar's recent publicity blitzes and they've been using this to spread the 'venom' to the rest of Princess Letizia's family and some have obviously enjoyed doing so. while i personally don't like her ways, i wouldn't bring down the rest of the family just because of her alone either.

 

[chuchu]

From what I read, Letizia's immediate family is very discreet. The aunt may seek publicity but she is the exception. However, Letizia should not be made responsible for her aunt's action.

 

[chuchu]

Spain is filled with pathetic people who sell their families and dignity to be on TV or media like Hola

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Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?

 

[princessofoz]

Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?

I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!

 

[Camarina]

I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!

This is the most intelligent comment that I have read about the matter "Letizia's aunt."
I'm totally agree with you.
Somtimes people creates absurd controversies.

 

[crisiñaki]

I believe that the difference between Lequio and she is big ... when Henar appears in the front page of a magazine with a man in the bed, when she criticizes to her ex-boyfriends in the television, comment on her romances, comment reality shows, and earn thousands of Euros for doing it ... that is what Lequio does...we speak

well, there's a slight difference: when Lecquio does those things, no one blame the King and his family, no one thinks badly about them; Henar's actions are a bit more difficult, since (like I said before) Letizia tends to be consider as the scapegoat when things go wrong, even when things aren't really her fault

I may be mistaken but none of Letizia's immediate family have altered their lifestyle dramatically either.

Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before? ) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...

Isn't this rather an unfair statement toward the Spanish people?

if you see spanish TV, you see that sadly, a lot of people is looking for their 15 minutes of fame in the worst way, there are always reality shows, trash "pink" shows where the lovers/mistresses/relatives/acquaintances of famous people are doing their dirty laundry out there, Belén Esteban for example, she is famous for having a kid with a bullfighter, she told all about their relationship (that ended like eons ago) and still is on tv shows, people (like Borja and Blanca Thyssen) who make a living out of making photoshoots at Hola/Lecturas/Interviu, etc

it's a sad situation, but now trash is ON, at least in Spain media

I think the whole debate is for nothing! If I would be the Crownprincess of Spain I would care for my auntie or other ppl which I be fond of.

So what is the real problem?

I could only shake of my head!!

like I said before, Letizia is not to blame on this, is her aunt who's taking a lot of advantage of being related to her; no one knew her before the wedding and now she's like the best designer in the whole Spain a little lump of coat that turned into a diamond

BTW, check out her website, she has a lot of bad taste in there, for example the H logo bags )

 

[Gaia]

questionable relatives, eg. Mary's rapist cousin,

This man is not Mary's blood relation, he is/was married to Mary's cousin. Big difference.

 

[Little_star]

Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before?

) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...

So her Dad bought a Porsche, that's hardly surprising. In fact it's actually very normal for a middle-aged man to go out and buy a sports car. It's usually referred to as a mid-life crisis!

Moreover, I didn't realise that moving house was something to be marvelled at?!

This man is not Mary's blood relation, he is/was married to Mary's cousin. Big difference.

With all due respect there is little difference as she was seen socialising with him even after the accusations emerged. He is still a family memeber and one who has apparently been endorsed by the Princess.

However this is going OT, so I'm not going to comment on it anymore.

 

[lula]

Sincerely the obsession of some persons amazes me. The above mentioned thing, which punishes that they do not worry any more for the excesses and abuses of those that enjoying the privileges of being members of the Royal Family do business .... and there has to attack to the family of the Princess, that in the end they neither have public responsibility they do not even represent to the State.

What does import Jesus Ortiz's car? He is a man, of mature age, who has a salary in a company, and that do not have persons to his responsibility .... a caprice can be allowed perfectly .... in addition, I do not believe that he has such an impressive car, because of already it would have appeared in the press.

On the shop of Henar Ortiz I see it almost every week, and it continues without looking alike not spectacularly at all, is a small shop of decoration in a central but secondary street, for which certainly many people do not pass.

Then the end of the ridiculous one comes with Paloma Rocasolano, the press has spoken that was going to change of house, but still nobody has given any image of her new house ... and in any case if she had moved she would have done it to leave her former house to her parents who have moved to live through Madrid for their advanced age .... terrible truth?... Also it must be terrible, that is employed at a charitable organization. Only it has been necessary to you to criticize Thelma for being employed at the Red Cross.

It seems to me to be very hypocritical that the press and people attack to this family, that like it is normal has suffered advantages and disadvantages of which a member of their family passes to be the woman most chased and followed of this country. Their life can have changed to the positive thing in small things, but none of them has given a radical change to their lives. It seems that to criticize the defenseless ones or to the humble ones always is easier.

They are going to work every day, continue with their lives, with the same friendship, works in the elementary thing have not changed (none has passed to be executive or counselor of anything nor to receiving thousands of Euros), they do not go to parties, do not sell their life in the press ... to look for any thing to be able to attack seems to me to be low enough.

That would happen if indeed they were making something serious?

For my, who must give example is the Royal Family, and not the family of ... and instead of criticizing the minimal changes of this family, there would be necessary to debate on the business of the royal sons-in-law, on the house millionaire of the Dukes of Palm, on Marichalar's flat and the permissions of work that give him for being the one who is, on the Infanta Elena and her business in the day-care center, on the Infanta Cristina and her work in the Caixa. I believe that to debate on these works and the compatibility or no compatibility in spite of being members of the Royal Family, it is the debate that it is necessary to do.

The nephews of the King have lived always very benefited for belonging to the family to which they belong, but they do not form a part of the Royal Family, do not come to official acts and do not receive money of the State.

I believe that it is necessary to differ between those who have a public responsability and that not, and between those who suffer minimal changes in their life for the new position and those who suffer radical changes.

There the real debate is, and not the empty debate to damage and to do business.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

I think there is nepotism in every (royal) family that will have lots of money & influence. Taking advantage is almost normal, wherever possible. As long as it is somehow suitable and done quietly I don't have a problem; it only gets embarrassing when family members or relatives or even friends of either group turn out to be attention seekers who only get a forum to speak because of their relation but not because of what they stand for themselves, be it a profession or any other talent.

Henar is only one of many many other sad examples across royalty who think they need to use a golden opportunity and I don't believe that Zarzuela like what they see or read about her because in the end it does reflect on the CP. Ohter monarchies have similar problems but this is simply the result of the media environment these days that encourages people to behave the way Henar or others do and black sheeps are to be found in most families.

A good example for perfect nepotism is Princess Anne's daughter Zarah Phillips who had all the right connections and was priviliged enough to pursue a career in riding that turned out to be highly successful, earning respect for her country instead of embarrassing it.

 

[lula]

Exact Duke, is something inevitable, not only in the Royal Families, in the politics, in the company, in the world of the spectacle ... it works in all the areas.

Because of it for my, it is so important to place the debate in the place that corresponds. It seems to me to be absurd to do of the family Ortiz Rocasolano the great debate, when the debate must be different. That the life of this family has improved in some aspects ... evidently it is true ... that has harmed them in others ... also it is true. But none has passed from everything to anything, they have been small changes. They all continue being employed at the same areas that were working before.

But for my most important, it is that the one who in this case has the responsibility, which in this case is the Princess of Asturias, has never interfered in the matters of her family.

If the Princess was a "advertisement" of the designs of her aunt, if in the official activities she was appearing with her designs, if she was visiting her shop and one was coming out in photographs there, if she was speaking to the press of her aunt ... or if her aunt was using directly the princess as promotion .... it would be the bad thing. But if she does her work, and for being the one who is the press the search and she speaks about her work ... it does not look like to me a problem. I believe that one supports inside of the limits of the alteration. She obtains advertising, and her designs are known, but the people do not buy anything only because it is a design of the aunt of the Princess .... but the designs are not good and do not have a public, it is not going to be successful.

Sincerely, I do not believe that to the Zarzuela is worried much by the aunt Henar, I believe that they have other more serious problems with persons nearer to the Royal Family. Probably while one speaks about the designs of Henar does not speak about Marichalar's salaries, which it was the topic of last week. And this was an interesting debate, professional meteoric career after his marriage and salaries millionaires. What has influenced more his capacity or to be the husband of the Infanta?

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

Exact Duke, is something inevitable, not only in the Royal Families, in the politics, in the company, in the world of the spectacle ... it works in all the areas.

Because of it for my, it is so important to place the debate in the place that corresponds. It seems to me to be absurd to do of the family Ortiz Rocasolano the great debate, when the debate must be different. That the life of this family has improved in some aspects ... evidently it is true ... that has harmed them in others ... also it is true. But none has passed from everything to anything, they have been small changes. They all continue being employed at the same areas that were working before.

But for my most important, it is that the one who in this case has the responsibility, which in this case is the Princess of Asturias, has never interfered in the matters of her family.

If the Princess was a "advertisement" of the designs of her aunt, if in the official activities she was appearing with her designs, if she was visiting her shop and one was coming out in photographs there, if she was speaking to the press of her aunt ... or if her aunt was using directly the princess as promotion .... it would be the bad thing. But if she does her work, and for being the one who is the press the search and she speaks about her work ... it does not look like to me a problem. I believe that one supports inside of the limits of the alteration. She obtains advertising, and her designs are known, but the people do not buy anything only because it is a design of the aunt of the Princess .... but the designs are not good and do not have a public, it is not going to be successful.

Sincerely, I do not believe that to the Zarzuela is worried much by the aunt Henar, I believe that they have other more serious problems with persons nearer to the Royal Family. Probably while one speaks about the designs of Henar does not speak about Marichalar's salaries, which it was the topic of last week. And this was an interesting debate, professional meteoric career after his marriage and salaries millionaires. What has influenced more his capacity or to be the husband of the Infanta?

I agree with you lula; in Henar's case she did not directly use Letizia as advertisement but everybody knows that without this relation she would not have appeared in Hola or get further attention on her designs. Therefore it's taking advantage of the opportunities the media offers these days since she does not have a notable talent but uses her relation to get attention, that's what makes it at least questionable (again, one of many examples in royalty).
I agree on Jaime, I doubt he would have been seen in row #1 during Paris fashion shows without his royal relations but it's a huge difference to Henar since he is married to an Infanta and has a completely different background (noble family etc). People tend to pick on the weakest link and in the SRF this seems to be Letizia therefore the spotlight goes on her relatives who did not have a privileged upbringing, the respective social grades, place in society or a powerful lobby backing them.

 

[lula]

There Duke is the mistake, and the hypocritical thing often of the people.

Jaime de Marichalar belongs to a good family, aristocrat, has studied something, but he does not have a universitary education and he was employed at Paris, but he was not a great executive with a great salary. He married the Infanta and passed to be a counselor of numerous companies, big international companies in which he receives salaries millionaires.

The Infanta receives money of the State, Jaime de Marichalar was coming to the official acts, had safety paid for the State, was enjoying the vacations in the official residences, was going in the Fortuna... He was enjoying many privileges, while he was receiving salaries millionaires for sitting down in the board of directors of some companies.

And it that is more scandalous enough, justifies itself more, that the fact that a woman has a small shop in a city of provinces and that someone decides to invert in her designs, and that because she is relative to a famous person receives certain promotion.

 

[Duke of Marmalade]

There Duke is the mistake, and the hypocritical thing often of the people.

Jaime de Marichalar belongs to a good family, aristocrat, has studied something, but he does not have a universitary education and he was employed at Paris, but he was not a great executive with a great salary. He married the Infanta and passed to be a counselor of numerous companies, big international companies in which he receives salaries millionaires.

The Infanta receives money of the State, Jaime de Marichalar was coming to the official acts, had safety paid for the State, was enjoying the vacations in the official residences, was going in the Fortuna... He was enjoying many privileges, while he was receiving salaries millionaires for sitting down in the board of directors of some companies.

And it that is more scandalous enough, justifies itself more, that the fact that a woman has a small shop in a city of provinces and that someone decides to invert in her designs, and that because she is relative to a famous person receives certain promotion.

I personally book everything under nepotism, be it Henar or Jaime etc. The difference is that Henar is going public in order to get her share and Jaime is not; in terms of the press jumping on such issues, Henar is a much easier target since she is only a distant relative of the CP and not a member of the SRF (married to the daughter of the King, in Jaime's case). The likeliness of stirring up a hornet's nest for the media is much higher when attacking Jaime etc therefore they concentrate on others who are more vulnerable and don't have the protection of the royal house.

 

[planetcher]

Letizia's dad now drives a Porsche (my aunt saw him with her own eyes), Henar got a huge makeover (if she was so well economically before why didn't she get it before? ) and a store in the best part of Oviedo, her mom also changed house and job...

So are you saying that her dad should not buy a Porsche or a new car and her mom should not change house who is always harassed by the press at her doorstep (BTW, she hasn't changed house and still lives in the same apartment and still harassed by the press at her doorstep) because they're Letizia's family?

 

[lula]

According to a program of television Thelma is pregnancy of 5 months, it is supposed that the news will turn out to be published in the magazine Hola on Wednesday and that there will be more information on the topic.

 

[carlota]

According to a program of television Thelma is pregnancy of 5 months, it is supposed that the news will turn out to be published in the magazine Hola on Wednesday and that there will be more information on the topic.

thanks for the info lula! although, in the last pictures of her in the circus, she looked quite slim. i would have thought with 5 months the baby bump shows. besides, she has no official partner at the moment, so i doubt it's true.

 

[Camarina]

What a wonderful news!
Congratulations to Thelma and the future father!

 

[Camarina]

thanks for the info lula! although, in the last pictures of her in the circus, she looked quite slim. i would have thought with 5 months the baby bump shows. besides, she has no official partner at the moment, so i doubt it's true.

The father is a Spanish guy who lives with Thelma in the Philippines. The news is confirmed and it is true.