Prince Felipe and Princess Letizia, Current Events Part 1: Nov. 2003 - August 2004

[Dennism]

"A's predictions"?

"how to stop the wedding" :o :o :o

[sky]

Yes, a member of CC named A is saying that Letizia is not good for Felipe, she will bring down the bourbons,etc there is a thread about her predictions.

[Dennism]

That is too weird. My views on the subject are known. I write enough posts as it is. But I'm now hoping for them! I just want them to be happy.

[Alexandria]

Let's not discuss what the contents of another message board are, or what the members of that message board have to say or predict about Letizia or the relationship between Felipe and Letizia. Since this is LTR, let's discuss what our members have to say.

[Dennism]

Always the diplomat.

[Britters]

Don't know if anyone saw this...

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/speci...pagina_1_1.html

It's an entire "special" Hello Magazine did on Felipe and Letiza and their engagement...

[Lia]

Originally posted by donnaK@Jan 7th, 2004 - 7:05 pm
Queen Sofia is 172cm. I would say Letizia is about 168-170cm, definitely not 175cm reported by the Spanish press.

Wow, i have the same height as Queen Sofia ......but she looks really tall in the pics.......anyway thanks :flower:

[Duke]

Has the guest list come out yet? what can we expect form the wedding??

[paulette]

from billed-bladet.dk

I hope someone would translate this.

Velforvaret fortid - 22.01.04

Kronprins Felipe, 35, og hans forlovede, den tidligere TV-speaker Letizia Ortiz, 31, var fulde af lovord, da de kom ud fra en biograf i Madrid, hvor de havde set filmen »Goodbye, Lenin«, som humoristisk gør op med det østlige Tysklands kommunistiske fortid. De spøger til gengæld ikke med Letizias fortid. Den spanske regering har bevilget 12.000 kr. til et pengeskab, hvor alle papirer vedrørende Letizias første ægteskab og skilsmisse skal forvares utilgængeligt.

I really love seeing Letizia in suits. It emphasizes her nice body and her beautiful face. It also makes her look formal and elegant.

[Cissan]

from billed-bladet.dk

I hope someone would translate this.

Velforvaret fortid - 22.01.04

Kronprins Felipe, 35, og hans forlovede, den tidligere TV-speaker Letizia Ortiz, 31, var fulde af lovord, da de kom ud fra en biograf i Madrid, hvor de havde set filmen »Goodbye, Lenin«, som humoristisk gør op med det østlige Tysklands kommunistiske fortid. De spøger til gengæld ikke med Letizias fortid. Den spanske regering har bevilget 12.000 kr. til et pengeskab, hvor alle papirer vedrørende Letizias første ægteskab og skilsmisse skal forvares utilgængeligt.

The text says that Felipe and Letitzia were full of praises after seeing the film "Goodbye, Lenin" at a cinema in Madrid. The film is a humorous settlement with the communistic history in east-Germany. Then the article says that the government has locked in Letitzia's divorce papers.

About Letitzia I have to say I still don't care for her. And I would really like her to stop wearing pants. And putting her hair up. It's like she hasn't changed at all since the engagement. You can compare with Mary who has adopted a more "princessy" stile. Letitzia still looks like a reporter to me!

[andiemac]

letizia's appearance is absolutly perfect IMO. she looks elegant, gorgeous and stunning due to her facial features. there is nothing else for her to change except to wear more skirts .

[didem]

Hola cover

[Dennism]

The first industrial souvenirs of the wedding of Prince Felipe and Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano will soon arrive to the shops. Several original products such as cava bottles, pins or lighters were presented at the Expo Hogar fair last weekend. The bottles of cava with the faces of both the Crownprince and his fiancée, created by Josep Salvador, were the most successfull. 02/01/2004. Gadgets and souvenirs on the wedding of Prince Felipe and fiance Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano.

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...DEEB646D2135F1B

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...DEEB646D2135F1B

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...DEEB646D2135F1B

http://194.68.33.51/fotoweb/bin/preview.dl...DEEB646D2135F1B

[sheeba]

She looks like Rania or is it me?
Alexandria the "adoring gaze" heading of the photo reminded me of Nancy regan when she used to look up at Ronald adoringly during his speeches. You just wanted to bash her head. They really need to train politicians wives and members of royal family from doing the adoring gaze thing. I'm just a natural born cynic I don't think my job helps that much. Skeptics who work in the media usually take it to mean some nasty story is about to break. And the publisicts in the royal house need to try and prevent consitent images of Letizia speaking with her hands to members of the Royal Family it looks like she's instructing them. She's done it with the Queen at the opera, the King in the above photos and countless shots of her with Felipe usually shows her indicating to him. This could be construed as her being bossy and telling them what to do as opposed to the other way round. a picture tells a thousand lies or truths depending on how you want to sell it and Diana was an expert at that.
A poll is currently running (I don't know if its closed now) on the www.ft.com on the greatest European King Jaun Carlos is one of the candidates. the only monarch to make it. Interesting I thought.

[donnaK]

Sheeba, I don't see anything wrong with Nancy Reagan's adoring gaze to her husband. Any couple should feel so blessed if their marriage is as happy and as lasting as the Reagans' one. Talking about Diana (I'm a big fan of her), she did manage to put up great smiles even during the worst time of her marriage, Charles and her did look like a happy couple at the beginning of their marriages, but I had never felt the closeness and amazing chemistry between these two (like the one between Felipe and Letizia), at that time I was only thinking of generation gap, maybe the age difference between two, never would have thought that things were this bad.

[sheeba]

DonnaK if you knew what political spin doctors get up to....... everytime you see a politicians wife staring adoringly at her husband either a scandal is about to break or he is about to announce some controversial policy. With regards to ministers having to resign because of scandulaous affairs interesting how the wives do the adoring gaze + stand by your man = if I've forgiven him, he deserves to keep his job. I get throughly sckeptical when I see these adoring gazes. Sorry. Its like you have something to prove. You don't see Guy and Madonna or Gwyneth and Chris or Susan Sarandon and her hubby or even the Queen and Prince Philip even inthe early days of their marriage, do the sickeningly adoring gaze routine. Nobody questions the strength or love in their relationship. Look at people who have been married a long time, even look amongst your friends you usually tend to find that women who don't feel secure or need to prove themselves in a relationship really go OTT in showing of the relationship. I'm not against public displays of affection but please........... I admit I'm a cynical old cow but you know what they say a pessimist is a well informed optimist and a cynic is halfway between the two.

With regards to Charles and Diana I think if you look back at the archives of the tabloid press (thats when they still respected the Royal Family) and read between the lines you'll find that there were hints that the marriage was pretty much over by the honeymoon. One tabloid paper even dared to print that the Prince had snuck out and had been with a blonde a couple of nights before the wedding at that time it was thought to be Diana because remember then she was a virgin it was only insiders that knew that it was Camilla. Can you imagine how she felt a couple of days before your wedding and your reading the papers and your saying to yourself my fiance was definetely not with me last night because I'm still a virgin. Ok welcome to royal life.
"chemistry and closeness" you can manufacture that, well lets wait for the interview before the wedding and see - I'm sorry I'm such a cynic. We had a press cutting from I think IBLN News that said a tabloid editor I think had a copy of the divorce papers and was going to release them. And I just thought oh dear here we go again. The Palace should have just published her divorce papers and called the bluff of the tabloid editors because it looks like they have something to hide and someone here saying she probably had a church wedding and is lying about it and I thought to myself you don't want to begin Royal life like this. She should be enjoying her preparation, touring the country visiting her future subjects - why isn't she touring the country? Do the Palace think she is too controversial? They might be well meaning but they could be damaging her even before she gets off the blocks. Unless thats their intention. remeber Fergie she was a breath of fresh air an accomplished professional who would be an asset to the BRF, then she became frumpy Fergie, Duchess of pork and she never recovered. Once you don't get off a good footing with the press your damned for and thats why I raised the finger pointing issue. Picture Editors have thousands of shots to choose from why are the picture editors choosing the ones with her pointing - how many CPs or members of Royal Families are shown in this light? I'm sorry the Spanish Media do not like her and she has her job cut out for her.

[lucys]

Sheeba, When it comes to the Reagans I think you are being beyond cynical. Whatever ones take on his policies as president, that marriage is true and deep and that was one political wife whose gazes were true and sincere--unlike, for example, dear Hillary. Sometimes what you see before your eyes is not real, but sometimes it actually is.

It's your perogative to be skeptical about Felipe and Letizia, time will prove you right or wrong. But as to her lying about a church wedding--sorry, I am a Catholic and even for the King of Spain the church won't lie about a church wedding and even if you get married in say a church in Timbuktoo, they'll know in the church you were baptised in. All sacarmental records are recorded at your baptismal church and you can not get married without your certificate of baptism. That's just trying to spread rumors.

And what kind of professional was Fergie? I just recall her being a fun sort of gal. Did she have a job even?

My sister in Spain laughs when I tell her about our board discussions. SHe says we are way more involved and obsessed and critical then anyone she knows in Spain. That generally, Letizia is liked--imperfections and all--and everyone is willing to give her time to correct or modify those things that she must. The last thing she says is that people take at face value that this is a serious case of love--simply, it would makes no sense for Felipe to marry her otherwise.

[Alexandria]

I think that whether a couple chooses to gaze adoringly at each other or not is their own perogrative, as sheeba suggested. Just because Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin, Madonna and Guy Ritchie, and Susan Sarandon and her long time partner, not husband, Tim Robbins, don't doesn't mean that they love each other any less than couples who do gaze at each other as you said. But that is not to disqualify Felipe and Letizia or even the Regans, whom I don't know very much about. Letizia likes to gaze at Felipe adoringly, and vice versa, and that's how she is or who they are as a couple.

[lucys]

Originally posted by Alexandria@Feb 17th, 2004 - 10:43 am
I think that whether a couple chooses to gaze adoringly at each other or not is their own perogrative, as sheeba suggested. Just because Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin, Madonna and Guy Ritchie, and Susan Sarandon and her long time partner, not husband, Tim Robbins, don't doesn't mean that they love each other any less than couples who do gaze at each other as you said. But that is not to disqualify Felipe and Letizia or even the Regans, whom I don't know very much about. Letizia likes to gaze at Felipe adoringly, and vice versa, and that's how she is or who they are as a couple.

well said.

[sheeba]

Alexandria - I am not disqualfying anyones relationship. If you read the begining of my comment I started of by talking about Spin Doctors (or Publicists or Communications Specialists). In order to put an image across to the public to produce a result, in my line of work you learn what to do to get the results. If you need the right picture to increase your polling figures, or to help with your box office number or to convince people to but into a marriage. The Princess of Wales marriage was sold as the perfect match etc. I guess you need to work behind the scenes before you really know whats really happening. And what to pull to put forward an image.
Lucys I am catholic as well and I did not say I said she had been married in a church before, I don't cover Royal press cuttings but it was yelled out to me as a possible reason why the divorce papers were locked up and it was apparently surfacing in some areas and thats why I went on to say the palace should have called the tabloid editors bluff and everybody's by publishing the divorce records and thereby shutting everyone up. When you lock it up in my line of work that equates to spread whatever gossip you want about the couple and bring the royal house/ institution into disrepute. Thats why I went on to argue they might think they are doing Letizia a favour but they could actually be harming her in the long run. And in the future the very viability of the Spanish Monarchy to continue after Juan Carlos.
And your statement about everyone in Spain liking her compare that to the opiniapublica.net that did a survey that said 58% thought she'd make a good queen. Never base your assumptions on jsut what yur circle of friends are saying. take a look at the polls. And this marriage is much bigger than are they in love its also about the future of the Spanish monarchy. I have an article sitting over here about the pysicosis running in Palace zarzuela - well there would not be one if they felt everything was hunky dory and everybody loved her. and I'll tell you now there's real nervousness as to whether felipe will ever be king just as much as in the UK in certain circles there is a belief that Charles will never ever be King because of the judgements he made in choosing his wife.