Queen Margrethe II & Prince Henrik, Current Events Part 6: July 2017 - February 2018

[Lady Ingahild]

Did you really, Muhler? Can you tell where I can find it?
Thanks a lot.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Nordic

I very much doubt, that Princess Elisabeth, 82 years old, who, AFAIK, has never been rigsforstander, would suddenly be used as one.

BTW, I can't remember Princess Benedikte or Prince Joachim, although being rigsforstander from time to time, ever having held a public audience.

We were talking about the situation if both Joachim and Benedikte wouldn't be in Denmark and Margrethe wouldn't be able to return to Denmark (and Frederik on his way to Australia), so all obvious options were out of the question. It was suggested that Nikolai was the only remaining option in that case, which he is not; I wouldn't say he would be more likely than Elisabeth... both are very unlikely but could be called upon if absolutely necessary.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Lady Ingahild

Did you really, Muhler? Can you tell where I can find it?
Thanks a lot.

In this sub-forum or in the DRF Christmas tread somewhere. It may require a good deal of digging though!
I suggest you browse through my posts for December for 2016, 15, 14 and so on until you find it.
A keyword search is too broad for the search engine here on TRF.

Originally Posted by Somebody

We were talking about the situation if both Joachim and Benedikte wouldn't be in Denmark and Margrethe wouldn't be able to return to Denmark (and Frederik on his way to Australia), so all obvious options were out of the question. It was suggested that Nikolai was the only remaining option in that case, which he is not; I wouldn't say he would be more likely than Elisabeth... both are very unlikely but could be called upon if absolutely necessary.

True.

But as Nordic pointed out Elisabeth is pretty frail and 82 years old - and Nikolai stands before her in the Line of Succession. He would merely have to sign a pledge to obey the Constitution first, before signing the paper where he takes over as Rigsforstander.
And it would only be for perhaps half a day.

[Somebody]

Agreed. Both are options was the only point I was trying to make.

The advantage of picking Elisabeth over Nikolai might be that it creates less of a precedent (nobody would expect her to take on this role more often - in Nikolai's case it might go against the position/role in life that is expected of him, which most likely is NOT to be an active member of the DRF).

The fact that Nikolai is ahead of Elisabeth in the line of succession would however suggest that Nikolai would be the more likely choice in this unlikely event.

[Muhler]

I know.

But it's an interesting thought experiment. And Nikolai might have no option but to step in.
Do you remember the Icelandic volcano that spewed ashes all over the place a few years back? Seriously disrupting the air traffic.

So instead of snow we have ashes.
It might be considered too risky trying to get QMII back by military transport, she would sail instead.
M&F have just touched down in Australia.
J&M are somewhere in southern France (we pretend) and Benedikte are at Berleburg.

And with a serious government crisis back in DK, as we have right now, the government can't resign or reshuffle without someone at the helm. (Yes, one of the government parties could be silly enough to pull out regardless of whether there is a Rigsforstander or not!) That means we have a Constitutional limbo on our hands. So someone has to be there to at least formally approve the resignations, so that a business ministry can formally be set up.
In the meantime Joachim or Benedikte are racing back towards DK, through congested highways, since the air-traffic is semi-paralyzed.

So who will be handling that scenario? Elisabeth who is old and seemingly very frail, but who from her service in the Foreign Ministry knows what is expected from her
Or a totally inexperienced but healthy and by all accounts a very bright Nikolai.
One of them will have to hold the fort for up to 48 hours perhaps.

[M. Payton]

OMG, you mean there is really no one in charge right now in the royal family in Denmark....all because of weather.......is the gov having a panic attack or what? I sure would, are you Muhler worried? I kept watching to see if Queen Margrethe was back and did not see any news about her return so I thought maybe she got in some how.

[xenobia]

So no one is in charge in Denmark right now? I'll let the swedish royals know about this - we might invade when you least expect it! :-D

[Osipi]

In this day and age though, even with Margrethe snowed in and staying warm drinking tea with her buddy, Queen Elizabeth, its very possible that Queen Daisy could still very much be there in Denmark in her official capacity through a newfangled way. Skype and teleconferencing. Would that be an option?

[ROYAL NORWAY]

I leave it to the Danish posters here to post/translate articles, but QMII is according to BILLED-BLADET back in DK.

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by M. Payton

OMG, you mean there is really no one in charge right now in the royal family in Denmark....all because of weather.......is the gov having a panic attack or what? I sure would, are you Muhler worried? I kept watching to see if Queen Margrethe was back and did not see any news about her return so I thought maybe she got in some how.

Don't worry. I think Joachim is around somewhere. It is just a what if scenario.

Originally Posted by xenobia

So no one is in charge in Denmark right now? I'll let the swedish royals know about this - we might invade when you least expect it! :-D

And we've made it easier now that there is a bridge. No need to walk across the ice this time.

Originally Posted by Osipi

In this day and age though, even with Margrethe snowed in and staying warm drinking tea with her buddy, Queen Elizabeth, its very possible that Queen Daisy could still very much be there in Denmark in her official capacity through a newfangled way. Skype and teleconferencing. Would that be an option?

I don't think so.
Someone has to be there and physically sign papers and meet and confer with the politicians, not least the PM.
- There is actually a good chance QMII may cut short her stay at Marselisborg during Christmas because the political situation is interesting!

Originally Posted by ROYAL NORWAY

I leave it to the Danish posters here to post/translate articles, but QMII is acording to BILLED-BLADET back in DK.

Correct.
Strandede i London: Nu er dronning Margrethe hjemme igen | BILLED-BLADET
She made it back Monday afternoon.
So now that mother is back, we can all breathe a sigh of relief, while the politicians entertain us... - You probably wouldn't believe it, if I told you!

[LibrarianDaisy]

I love your phrase 'now that mother is back' - these boards just wouldn't be the same without your dry sense of humour.

[M. Payton]

Muhler, my sister sent me an email telling me Queen Daisy was back and had to come and say Thank Goodness for all is well now in Denmark.......what a relief it is to know that *mother* is safe at home........I know I know for I have been told I am not Danish yet there is a drop of blood in there that says I am ......so this crisis going on is about what...must be very interesting and entertaining and news worthy...

[gerry]

Originally Posted by Muhler

Don't worry. I think Joachim is around somewhere. It is just a what if scenario.



And we've made it easier now that there is a bridge. No need to walk across the ice this time.



I don't think so.
Someone has to be there and physically sign papers and meet and confer with the politicians, not least the PM.
- There is actually a good chance QMII may cut short her stay at Marselisborg during Christmas because the political situation is interesting!



Correct.
Strandede i London: Nu er dronning Margrethe hjemme igen | BILLED-BLADET
She made it back Monday afternoon.
So now that mother is back, we can all breathe a sigh of relief, while the politicians entertain us... - You probably wouldn't believe it, if I told you!

Muhler! Please tell In the middle of Christmas preparations (cheery music hides the bad tempers from spending too much money!) we need entertainment

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Muhler

I know.

But it's an interesting thought experiment. And Nikolai might have no option but to step in.
Do you remember the Icelandic volcano that spewed ashes all over the place a few years back? Seriously disrupting the air traffic.

So instead of snow we have ashes.
It might be considered too risky trying to get QMII back by military transport, she would sail instead.
M&F have just touched down in Australia.
J&M are somewhere in southern France (we pretend) and Benedikte are at Berleburg.

And with a serious government crisis back in DK, as we have right now, the government can't resign or reshuffle without someone at the helm. (Yes, one of the government parties could be silly enough to pull out regardless of whether there is a Rigsforstander or not!) That means we have a Constitutional limbo on our hands. So someone has to be there to at least formally approve the resignations, so that a business ministry can formally be set up.
In the meantime Joachim or Benedikte are racing back towards DK, through congested highways, since the air-traffic is semi-paralyzed.

So who will be handling that scenario? Elisabeth who is old and seemingly very frail, but who from her service in the Foreign Ministry knows what is expected from her
Or a totally inexperienced but healthy and by all accounts a very bright Nikolai.
One of them will have to hold the fort for up to 48 hours perhaps.

Exactly, I love these thought experiments!

It seems that the current understanding is that within each 24h day the sovereign, monarch or rigsforstander needs to be present in Denmark, there are previous examples where these periods didn't completely overlap; so in the end no rigsforstander was required as Frederik was regent on Sunday (although leaving during the day) and Margrethe returned on Monday (just a little later than expected).

Originally Posted by Muhler

I don't think so.
Someone has to be there and physically sign papers and meet and confer with the politicians, not least the PM.

Interestingly, this is unique to Denmark (as far as I know). Other monarchies don't require the monarch or a representative to be in the country. They either send correspondence abroad or sign electronically (and later a paper copy).

[Muhler]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Exactly, I love these thought experiments!

It seems that the current understanding is that within each 24h day the sovereign, monarch or rigsforstander needs to be present in Denmark, there are previous examples where these periods didn't completely overlap; so in the end no rigsforstander was required as Frederik was regent on Sunday (although leaving during the day) and Margrethe returned on Monday (just a little later than expected).

Me too.

And yes, something like that.
The Constitution says that the Regent automatically steps in or that a Rigsforstander has to be appointed if the Monarch leaves Danish territory. - Dannebrog for example is Danish territory but as a floating embassy, so going to the Danish embassy in London doesn't quite work.
But there is an unwritten rule that if the Monarch returns the same day it is not necessary to appoint a Rigsforstander.
I guess that also works overnight.

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I've posted more about the current government crisits in DK in the audience thread.
Thus proving that we in DK surely must win the "The Most Silly Politicians Award 2017"

[Spheno]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Interestingly, this is unique to Denmark (as far as I know). Other monarchies don't require the monarch or a representative to be in the country. They either send correspondence abroad or sign electronically (and later a paper copy).

British RF has Counsellors of State. The queen delegates to them certain state functions when not in the United Kingdom or unavailable for other reasons.

[iceflower]

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Yesterday evening, December 14, Queen Margrethe attended the Royal Danish Geographical Society's meeting on Denmark's colonial history at the National Museum in Copenhagen:


** kongehuset.dk gallery: H.M. Dronningen deltog i Det Kongelige Danske Geografiske Selskabs møde om Danmarks kolonihistorie **


And today, December 15, she received the Ambassadors of Norway, Egypt, Austria, Israel, Mexico and the USA:


** kongehuset.dk gallery: H.M. Dronningen modtog nye ambassadører ** video **

[Muhler]

Thanks, Iceflower

And here is a video of QMII receiving six new ambassadors to DK:
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelig...-ambassadoerer

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Spheno

British RF has Counsellors of State. The queen delegates to them certain state functions when not in the United Kingdom or unavailable for other reasons.

Thanks for the reminder. Is the requirement that at all times either the queen or two of her state counselors (if I remember correctly) have to be in the country? And are they officially appointed (out of those instated as CofSs) each time the queen leaves the UK (or Commonwealth)?

[polyesco]

what an elegant Queen
https://scontent-eze1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...6e&oe=5AD73F60

the picture is wonderful, the room, the guards...