Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier, Current Events 1: September 2005 - May 2007

[UserDane]

OK - got it this time - thanks.

[ysbel]

UserDane, going back to what you originally said:

Originally Posted by ysbel

Everybody, what do you think would be the public reaction if the couple announced their engagement?

Would there be public well wishing or would it cause a controversy? Or perhaps a public well wishing with private misgivings?

Originally Posted by UserDane

I don't think it would cause a controversy; Alexandra seems to be at a place where she can continue her role as a princess or withdraw more if she wants to - so it won't appear as if she is been 'squeezed' out by a new wife for Joachim.
If Joachim and Marie marry, the media will probably just start another round of expectant calls for new babies and keep the public entertained that way

Do you think that people's perception of Marie is based partly on how Alexandra will fare in all of this? Sometimes it seems like people don't want Joachim to get married again unless he re-marries Alexandra and it seems awfully similar to the Brit fans who don't want Prince Andrew marrying again unless he re-marries his first wife Sarah.

I wonder if its because people get used to seeing a couple together, then when they split up, people still see them as together when they're not.

[Heike]

I don´t think Alexandra will get together with Joachim again because she seems to be happy with Martin.

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

There's a reason she was photographed at the window: she wanted the world to know she was there. I don't remember Mary being seen at intimate family events like that when she was dating Fred. Marie needs to show some discretion. No one else was seen at the window.

I really think you're drawing a hasty conclusion there. she may well just have looked out the window for a second to see something. that's not a crime. many royal persons have been photographed at windows. it doesnt mean they stood there especially to be photographed.

and is it so bad to enjoy the attention, really? I think if you werent born royal, you have to-on some level- enjoy the attention to preserve your sanity.

Marie hasn't said anything even remotely controversial. That speaks well for her. If joachim strongly objected to her speaking to the media, he would tell her to stop or break up with her.

I think this couple has made a joint decision to be open about their relationship. Maybe Joachim even encourages her to talk to the media so that he won't have to?

[Heike]

Originally Posted by pollyemma

Marie hasn't said anything even remotely controversial. That speaks well for her. If joachim strongly objected to her speaking to the media, he would tell her to stop or break up with her.

I thought Joachim has brocken up with her and even revealed this news to the media.
It is only recently that they are a couple again.
When being asked who restarted the relationship, Marie refused to answer.

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by Heike

I thought Joachim has brocken up with her and even revealed this news to the media.
It is only recently that they are a couple again.
When being asked who restarted the relationship, Marie refused to answer.

well i think that's a sign of her discretion. she doesnt give intimate details of their relationships.

and as to who restarted the relationship: I think that's a moot point. they BOTH restarted the relationship. he(presumably) isn't forced to date her against his will. neither is she forced to date him. they both wanted to be together again so voila!

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by ysbel

Do you think that people's perception of Marie is based partly on how Alexandra will fare in all of this? Sometimes it seems like people don't want Joachim to get married again unless he re-marries Alexandra and it seems awfully similar to the Brit fans who don't want Prince Andrew marrying again unless he re-marries his first wife Sarah.

I wonder if its because people get used to seeing a couple together, then when they split up, people still see them as together when they're not.

I don't think I know anyone who now feels strongly about Joachim and Alexandra getting together again.
IMO, the sightings of Alexandra together with Martin Jørgensen has made it quite clear that Joachim and Alexandra as a couple is a thing of the past.
Seeing Joachim and Alexandra together with their children is - I think - positive to most Danes in terms of their children's wellbeing.
Being responsible parents who can be civil in each other's company - together with their children - counts for a lot, but does not necessarily mean that people think they will patch things up again as a couple IMO.

There seems to most focus on Joachim's love life now. He's still young and may start another family - and provide some more baby hype

[Heike]

I agree generally with UserDane.
But I don´t know if the DRF can afford to pay another ex-wife of Joachim if he divorces again.
He must be very sure the next time when he remarries.
Does anyone know if Nikolai and Felix will recieve allowance from the state when they grow up? Or they have to earn their own living?

[H.M. Margrethe]

Originally Posted by Heike

I agree generally with UserDane.
But I don´t know if the DRF can afford to pay another ex-wife of Joachim if he divorces again.
He must be very sure the next time when he remarries.
Does anyone know if Nikolai and Felix will recieve allowance from the state when they grow up? Or they have to earn their own living?

I don´t think they are going to recive anny allowance from the state when they are growing up. It depence if they are going to do som of the work as their parrents are doing.
Take HH Princess Elisabeth she is doing a littel bit of work,but she are reciving her pension from her olde work as the Foreign Secretary.

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by Heike

I agree generally with UserDane.
But I don´t know if the DRF can afford to pay another ex-wife of Joachim if he divorces again.
He must be very sure the next time when he remarries.
Does anyone know if Nikolai and Felix will recieve allowance from the state when they grow up? Or they have to earn their own living?

I'm sure they will carefully craft a pre-nup that will reflect his current financial situation.

and let's not feel too sorry for joachims money woes. Sure joachim suffered financially (as most people do when they divorce.) But he still has way more money than people making minimum wage at fast food restaurants. Especially in a country with generous social benefits like Denmark, I'm sure he could easily afford a few more children.

[BurberryBrit]

Originally Posted by pollyemma

I really think you're drawing a hasty conclusion there. she may well just have looked out the window for a second to see something. that's not a crime. many royal persons have been photographed at windows. it doesnt mean they stood there especially to be photographed.

and is it so bad to enjoy the attention, really? I think if you werent born royal, you have to-on some level- enjoy the attention to preserve your sanity.

Marie hasn't said anything even remotely controversial. That speaks well for her. If joachim strongly objected to her speaking to the media, he would tell her to stop or break up with her.

I think this couple has made a joint decision to be open about their relationship. Maybe Joachim even encourages her to talk to the media so that he won't have to?

I don't think I'm drawing a hasty conclusion since it's based on my opinion. I do think Marie needs to show more discretion, but at the same time, there is something natural about her. I do think she's genuinely caught up in the romance with Joachim. I dont know if Joachim would tell her to be the front man and speak about their relationship, but it's clear they have decided it's okay to talk a little about their love. She has toned it done a little and I like her more and more.

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

I do think Marie needs to show more discretion, but at the same time, there is something natural about her .

I agree. and its that naturalness that I'm drawn to. she seems like a sweet person who I'd like to know. I really hope they're happy and that if they do marry people will judge her on own merits and not on how she compares to Alexandra.

[BurberryBrit]

I think she should get a page :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Cavallier

[pollyemma]

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

I think she should get a page :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Cavallier

did you just put that together? its really cool!

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

I think she should get a page :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Cavallier

Just learned from your wikipedia article that Marie's birthday is the 5th of February. So is Mary Donaldson's!! Eerie!

[GlitteringTiaras]

Billad Bladet has a new story about the couple:

Read more about it here: http://www.billed-bladet.dk/default....ails&Item=4829

The English translation can be found here:
http://danishroyalwatchers.blogspot.com/

[BurberryBrit]

I wonder what made their year so challenging? The press? Maybe Margrethe disapproved? Maybe it was Marie's talking to the press? And I wonder why he predicts this year will be just as challenging? A "new" relationship shouldn't be too heavy. Hopefully, they will find out if they really want to be together once and for all.

[princess olga]

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

I wonder what made their year so challenging? The press? Maybe Margrethe disapproved? Maybe it was Marie's talking to the press? And I wonder why he predicts this year will be just as challenging? A "new" relationship shouldn't be too heavy. Hopefully, they will find out if they really want to be together once and for all.

Can;t speak for them of course, but here's my 2 cents.

It's a pity for Joachim he prefers petite, exotic brunettes to Danish homegrown stock, and not because I have anything against ladies such as Alexandra or Marie, both of whom I think would be great princess material 'an sich'.

The thing though, is this.

1.The reality of living with Joachim is living on a de facto farm, no matter how charming, is in a tiny village in the middle of nowhere in Denmark (which in itself is the middle of nowhere depending on your outlook--just my opinion! Nothing against lovely Denmark, a wonderful place to visit!)

Joachim <is> a farmer, by profession. AND he spends most of his time at Schakenborg, not at his apartment in Copenhagen.

So that's the conundrum here. For this all to work, he would need a partner who is an outdoorsy type who enjoys living in the middle of nowhere.

But that's asking a lot from a woman who, in both Marie's and Alexandra's case, seem:

1. City women
2. who, on top of this, would feel isolated enough moving to a completely other country and culture in and by itself, let alone moving to the middle of nowhere.

How would that work in practise? Marie spending her days raising kids in the middle of nowhere, Denmark, where she has no friends and nothing to do besides those kids? I think that <that> was a huge factor in the brakeup with Alexandra if you ask me!
I mean, let's say Marie would move to Copenhagen and marry J. And let's say she'd get a job in Copenhagen. That would mean, for them, that <she> would be spending her days in the city, working, and <he> would be spending his days some 300 miles away on the farm.

Again, I think there's a dichotomy here between Joachim's lifestyle, rural etc., and the delicate, foreign city-girls he's always drawn to. I think there's a real gap there and that's why it's just not going to be easy.

It just would be easier for a Danish-born girl who would at least be at home in the culture and speak the language. So that would be one barrier removed. That leaves the barrier of living in the countryside in the middle of nowhere.

[BurberryBrit]

Can't Joachim just move closer to Copenhagen? Or another city instead of a rural farm?

[Lakshmi]

I don't think Joachim ever would move to the city. He seems a farmer born.
Interesting thing that he likes women that are opposite to him. Both Marie and Alexandra indeed seem liking city life. Both women seems to have temper while Joachim is is more phlegmatic(no pan intended).