Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier, Current Events 1: September 2005 - May 2007

[betina]

Originally Posted by biboquinhas

Well I don't think Prince Joachim will marry her soon! The Queen mother will have a very strong opinion on that and to me she will not allow Joachim to marry her soon and not before having strong feelings that she can be a good wife for him,a good Princess, and a good stepmother for her grandchilds. To be it is obvious that at this moment she is not the rigth person, although IMO she looks to be learning!

Erm there is no queen mother in Denmark. That was the late Queen Ingrid that had that title

[Princess Robijn]

Originally Posted by betina

Erm there is no queen mother in Denmark. That was the late Queen Ingrid that had that title

I think biboquinhas means Queen Margrethe, because of the grandchildren part She's a Queen and a mother... I'm not sure though..

[ysbel]

Has Queen Margrethe given any indication she disapproves of Joachim's and Marie's relationship?

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by ysbel

Has Queen Margrethe given any indication she disapproves of Joachim's and Marie's relationship?

No she hasn't. She never comments on her son's (rumoured) relationships; as far as I remember, Mary was fairly well-known by the public before QMII answered a question from a journalist about her.
Margrethe could certainly teach Marie a thing or two about being tight-lipped

[Emily]

I would be curious to know how people in Denmark think she would be received if they were to announce an engagement. Personally, I think she is tacky and the fact that she spoke out to the press initially doesn't bode well for what she might do in the future. Discretion, Marie, discretion. It's the key to life.

[Eliza]

He just ended one marriage, much as he'd like to find love again, i don't think he's in a quick hurry to get married again. And i hope that when he does think about marriage again, it won't be to Marie. I find she's too much of a attention seeker - talking and posing so early in a relationship wif the Prince is too much.

[biboquinhas]

I just don't understand why he don't see that1 Everyone says that she is a attention seeker and he still continues to be with her!!!!

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by UserDane

No she hasn't. She never comments on her son's (rumoured) relationships; as far as I remember, Mary was fairly well-known by the public before QMII answered a question from a journalist about her.
Margrethe could certainly teach Marie a thing or two about being tight-lipped

That may be true but that's not exactly what I meant. I meant that unless the Queen has said anything, there's a good chance we don't know exactly what she thinks about Joachim's and Marie relationship.

It amazes me that some members here think they know Joachim's girlfriend better than he does while we've been only talking about her from press reports and he's actually been dating her for over a year.

My guess is that if he's obviously still dating someone that most people disapprove of after this time, that there is more to this relationship than we are aware of. It may be possible that Joachim knows his girlfriend better than we do and my, my wouldn't that be a shock and a surprise?

[BurberryBrit]

Marie IMO isn't doing anything all that bad. I dont' even see her promoting herself l ike some others women have done in the past with various royals. I think she's very very naive, but also happy-go-lucky. When I see her pics, I don't see opportunist. I think she's caught up in the whole fairytale thing of dating a Prince. Whether or not she will last, I can't say. I am liking her more with each new article or picture.

[Heike]

Originally Posted by ysbel

It amazes me that some members here think they know Joachim's girlfriend better than he does while we've been only talking about her from press reports and he's actually been dating her for over a year.

Don´t forget that Joachim and Marie don´t see each other very often.
This is a long distance relationship. It also makes sense if Marie always shows her best side to Joachim when they meet.

And I also agree that Marie is an attention seeker. Of course she is. Compared to Mary´s behavior before her wedding, this fact is very obvious.

It´s natural that we speculate and make theories about Marie here. Otherwise it wouldn´t be called the royal forum, would it? For example, some people here also consider themselves know more/better about Alexandras personality and motivations than Prince Joachim and the DRF.

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by Heike

Don´t forget that Joachim and Marie don´t see each other very often.
This is a long distance relationship. It also makes sense if Marie always shows her best side to Joachim when they meet.

And I also agree that Marie is an attention seeker. Of course she is. Compared to Mary´s behavior before her wedding, this fact is very obvious.

It´s natural that we speculate and make theories about Marie here. Otherwise it wouldn´t be called the royal forum, would it? For example, some people here also consider themselves know more/better about Alexandras personality and motivations than Prince Joachim and the DRF.

So that means that people here who have never met Marie at all STILL know Marie better than Joachim does who may have seen her at least a little over the last year.

All that despite the fact that everything we know about Marie comes to us second or third hand from media reports because we've seen nothing except what the media has chosen to let us see. They're in business to sell papers. Let me put it this way, Joachim has seen Marie a lot more than any of us and even if she is putting on appearances in front of him, he has more information to actually judge her than we do.

There's no guarantee that even a published interview faithfully reprints everything Marie says in the context in which she's given. What seems so obvious to you could well be just the result of whatever public relations angle a paper or magazine decides to take with a Marie and Joachim story and have nothing to do with the people themselves.

I enjoy speculating about the royals myself; I just don't have the arrogance in believing that based on a few Billet Bladet pictures and interviews that I know more about Joachim's girlfriend than he does.

[Heike]

Originally Posted by ysbel

So that means that people here who have never met Marie at all STILL know Marie better than Joachim does who may have seen her at least a little over the last year.

All that despite the fact that everything we know about Marie comes to us second or third hand from media reports because we've seen nothing except what the media has chosen to let us see. They're in business to sell papers. Let me put it this way, Joachim has seen Marie a lot more than any of us and even if she is putting on appearances in front of him, he has more information to actually judge her than we do.

There's no guarantee that even a published interview faithfully reprints everything Marie says in the context in which she's given. What seems so obvious to you could well be just the result of whatever public relations angle a paper or magazine decides to take with a Marie and Joachim story and have nothing to do with the people themselves.

I enjoy speculating about the royals myself; I just don't have the arrogance in believing that based on a few Billet Bladet pictures and interviews that I know more about Joachim's girlfriend than he does.

People choose to believe what they want to believe.
I believe that Joachim hasn´t found out that Marie is an attention seeker.
Just like some people believe that Alex married Joachim not because of love but because she wants to become a princess.
It´s also possible that Joachim knows Marie is an attention seeker, but he doesn´t care at all.
I only pointed out that there exists the possibility that Joachim still has no chance to find out she is an attention seeker. This is my personal speculation. Of course it´s also possible that Marie is not an attention seeker at all, but I personally believe she is. I didn´t say that people here know Marie better than Joachim.
You overexplained my post.

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by ysbel

That may be true but that's not exactly what I meant. I meant that unless the Queen has said anything, there's a good chance we don't know exactly what she thinks about Joachim's and Marie relationship?

Sorry, don't quite understand what you mean then.
In my reply I meant that the queen has never commented on any relationship - real or imaginary - which her sons have been involved in - until in two cases practically up to the time of their engagements. Her silence is therefore open to interpretation, I think.

Originally Posted by BurberryBrit

Marie IMO isn't doing anything all that bad. I dont' even see her promoting herself l ike some others women have done in the past with various royals. I think she's very very naive, but also happy-go-lucky. When I see her pics, I don't see opportunist. I think she's caught up in the whole fairytale thing of dating a Prince. Whether or not she will last, I can't say. I am liking her more with each new article or picture.

I tend to agree with you Burberry. And people do and say things they haven't really thought through when they are infatuated/in love. Most of us just get to do it outside the media's attention.

[ricarda]

I don't think Marie is that much of an attention seeker.
Her situation is not easy.
Here she is in love with a prince (and somehow I believe she does love him)
whose former wife is still very popular in Denmark and
well known for being "always accessible for the press" (quotation from Point de Vue).
What is Marie supposed to do?
Let's face it, the media can destroy a relationship by writing negative about a person.
Actually Marie can't be the "distant Mary" some on this board want her to be, she has to be more like the "accessible Alexandra".
That's what the media is used to with Joachim's partner.

Perhaps Marie overdid it a bit in the beginning.
And therefore my own feelings towards her were quite negative and I am still quite sceptical whether she is "Princess"-material or not.
But actually I think the press is writing very positively about her, so her strategy seems to work.
What would they have written if she had answered with "no comment"?

[norwegianne]

Originally Posted by ricarda

What would they have written if she had answered with "no comment"?

Considering that the press managed to spin a new relationship for Joachim out of thin air after the divorce - with a girl who hadn't even met him - I think the press can manage to get whatever they want out of anything

[CPKatarina]

There is an article about Joachim in today's Billed Bladet, http://www.billed-bladet.dk/default.asp?Ac...s&Item=4829.

Prins Joachim går og gemmer på en hemmelighed. En af den slags, der får ham til at smile: »Privat bliver det kommende år både spændende og udfordrende«...




I tried to use Internet Translator and got this :

Prins Joachim leaves and keeps on a secret. One of the kind, who causes him to smile: "Private Residence bliver The Next Year both Exciting and Provocative". Prince Joachim was in a high mood, when BILLED-BLADET met him but in connection with Tønder Handelsskole's 100-year's jubilee a short, but very important remark.

Can someone HELP?

Thanks

[BurberryBrit]

That is really NOT a flattering picture. :(

[magnik]

I agree. Joachim looks little strange.

[Ctejnoe]

Prins Joachim går og gemmer på en hemmelighed. En af den slags, der får ham til at smile: »Privat bliver det kommende år både spændende og udfordrende«...
translates as:
Prince Joachim has a secret; a kind of secret that makes him smile: "Privately, the coming year will be both exciting and challenging"

could mean anything and nothing. More than likely nothing - i mean, he could be talking about just about everything under the sun.

Iam still negatively tuned towards Marie Cavallier... Cant quite get my head around her - The press is probably positive about cause she's a good story. Sells the papers - and they must love that she talks to them.

And off course its ok to base an opinion on the girl based on what is presented in the media: Firstly, she places herself there pretty openely. And secondly, isnt that what all our opinions are based on??? Isnt that what we do here? Its part of the fun...

[ysbel]

Originally Posted by UserDane

Sorry, don't quite understand what you mean then.
In my reply I meant that the queen has never commented on any relationship - real or imaginary - which her sons have been involved in - until in two cases practically up to the time of their engagements. Her silence is therefore open to interpretation, I think.

I totally agree with you that the queen's silence is open to interpretation; I was responding to your comment that Marie could take a page out of Queen Margrethe's book on being tight lipped. That may be true but I wasn't mentioning Queen Margrethe's silence as a recommendation for Marie to do the same. I only meant it in the context that with her silence its almost impossible to tell what the Queen thinks of Joachim's and Marie's relationship.

So we were saying the same thing.