Prince Joachim and Marie Cavallier, Current Events 1: September 2005 - May 2007 - Page 14

Australian · #**261** 12-08-2006, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ctejnoe

I just read this story on a danish news website (tv2.dk):
Apparently Marie Cavallier wanted to avoid all the reporters calling her office so she pretended to be her own secretary:"No, sorry, Marie is not here at the moment but can I take a message?"
But the reporter felt sure he recognised her voice and asked:
"Iam sorry, but isnt it Marie on the other end of the line?"
To which she answered:
"No, it isnt me. I just said that she's not here."

Iam not even going to comment this.

Haha that is gold. Sounds like something Jessica Simpson would say.
Well at least she's trying to be a bit more discreet. Who knows, maybe she is the right woman for Joachim. I wish them the best.

Lakshmi · #**262** 12-09-2006, 04:50 AM

I'm surprised that Joachim and Marie are back together. Joachim must be really attracted to her. She seems sweet girl but not too discreet.

And she is talkative again. It means she did't learn her first lesson with the media.
IMO it's not good Joachim's decision to be with her again. She seems very shallow. Marie's father is also very talkative. It must be something in the family.

Jo of Palatine · #**263** 12-09-2006, 05:11 AM

Somehow I pity the girl. I don't think the Danish government is to pay for another wife of Joachim's and he obviously can't afford to pay for yet another wife in case of a divorce. So divorce is no option IMHO and thus marriage is not - or only after a long, long time together.

I do hope that the DRF didn't check their pre-nup traditions with a view on a new marriage of Joachim's and found that they should do something about Frederick's and Mary's first. There was this quote by a Danish lawyer who said that the pre-nup of F&M was legally not okay and had to be reviewed for that reason. Am I the only one who sees a coincidence with the reemerging of Marie and that surprising review of pre-nups?

ricarda · #**264** 12-09-2006, 05:41 AM

No, you are not the only one.

I also think that it's no coincidence that Marie turned up again right now.
In one week Joachim is called an "embarrassing playboy" by Ekstrabladet.
And in the next Marie is out with Joachim in Copenhagen.
They must have known that they might be photographed.
Perhaps this is Joachim's way to proof EB wrong and to show
that he is not a playboy but still has a serious relationship with one girl.

Lakshmi · #**265** 12-09-2006, 06:06 AM

I don't think Marie's re-appearance has anything to do with CP Mary's pre-nup review. We even are not sure if there is any pre-nup review, BTW.

Marie and Joachim are simply together again. Joachim is really smitten by her.
I wonder for how long this time. I think Joachim will be not in a hurry to next marriage now.

politikgirl · #**266** 12-09-2006, 08:54 AM

I just caught myself up on this news. They're back together? Ick. Marie can't seem to keep her thoughts to herself. She always seems to talk to the media. I don't think that's *quite* princess material...

**Zonk** · #**267** 12-09-2006, 08:59 AM

While I agree that Marie should not talk to the media...I am not sure I agree that she is not "princess material."

You would think in the year of 2007 (since 2006 is pretty much over) she would have learned from previous "non royal" girlfriends (Kate, Maxima, Alexandra, Mary, a couple of Felipe's old girlfriends and heck...Koo Stark!) not to say anything...the same thing goes with her father. But her lack of media "finesse" if anything tells me that the relationship is not that serious...she should have been coached by Joachim to just smile politely and say nothing. Also, it is a tad unfair that we (and by that I mean the royal watchers) expect these girls to just pop up and know how to behave, talk and dress like a princess. They are entering a new world of class, traditions, money, expected behavior, etc. Unless you are a part of the nobility (calling Mathilde) you don't just know what to do. It takes time, a good mentor, some media training, and a nice clothing budget.

politikgirl · #**268** 12-09-2006, 09:14 AM

Well, I agree that it takes work to become a princess. I just think her personality might not be princess 'material', not that she doesn't already behave like a princess. Clearly, no one who isn't brought up in that world knows how to behave like a princess. But what the current crown princesses and princesses of Europe seem to have in common is a similar kind of personality in terms of discreteness, intelligence, respectability, etc., that I'm not sure Marie has. I won't say that she doesn't have those qualities, but she sure hasn't shown them quite yet.

Tricota · #**269** 12-09-2006, 01:12 PM

In my insomnia last night I cought a program with Bodil Cath, a famous royal reporter who originaly broke the story, and she said that she call her and spoke with her for 15 minutes...

It seamed she couldnt really make her mind up about her. At one point she said she was a bit reluctent to talk to her and said no comments, she also did not hang up the phone and continued to talk to her and try and explain things... Apparently she seamed very trusting and and was also interested in knowing what the media said, and why they were so interested...

**Zonk** · #**270** 12-09-2006, 01:23 PM

She sounds pretty naive. I hope she doesn't trust the media too much...it will burn her in the end. Why doesn't Joachim have someone talk to her!

Tricota · #**271** 12-09-2006, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

She sounds pretty naive. I hope she doesn't trust the media too much...it will burn her in the end. Why doesn't Joachim have someone talk to her!

I honestly doent think he is the kind of person who talks about that. He seams to shy away from conflicts and these kinds of things...But maybe im wrong...

**Zonk** · #**272** 12-09-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricota

I honestly doent think he is the kind of person who talks about that. He seams to shy away from conflicts and these kinds of things...But maybe im wrong...

And if that is the case...then she needs a good girlfriend to tell her to say No comment and hang up. If confronted by the media, just smile and keep walking.

norwegianne · #**273** 12-09-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricota

In my insomnia last night I cought a program with Bodil Cath, a famous royal reporter who originaly broke the story, and she said that she call her and spoke with her for 15 minutes...

It seamed she couldnt really make her mind up about her. At one point she said she was a bit reluctent to talk to her and said no comments, she also did not hang up the phone and continued to talk to her and try and explain things... Apparently she seamed very trusting and and was also interested in knowing what the media said, and why they were so interested...

Considering that she probably doesn't read Danish, I don't think I can blame her for wanting to know what's being written about her. I don't think she should rely on a journalist to tell her, however.

But at the same time, as Joachim also said that "yes, we're together" (Or "can't you see that we're together") it must be really hard to distinguish between what she can say and what she can't say to the reporters. If Joachim had said no comment to the Se & Hør journalist outside - it might've been an example of sorts for Marie.

janos614 · #**274** 12-09-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

While I agree that Marie should not talk to the media...I am not sure I agree that she is not "princess material."

You would think in the year of 2007 (since 2006 is pretty much over) she would have learned from previous "non royal" girlfriends (Kate, Maxima, Alexandra, Mary, a couple of Felipe's old girlfriends and heck...Koo Stark!) not to say anything...the same thing goes with her father. But her lack of media "finesse" if anything tells me that the relationship is not that serious...she should have been coached by Joachim to just smile politely and say nothing. Also, it is a tad unfair that we (and by that I mean the royal watchers) expect these girls to just pop up and know how to behave, talk and dress like a princess. They are entering a new world of class, traditions, money, expected behavior, etc. Unless you are a part of the nobility (calling Mathilde) you don't just know what to do. It takes time, a good mentor, some media training, and a nice clothing budget.

I think the old girlfriends (and wives, in some cases) should get together and write a book on how to survive dating and marrying royalty. I know I'd buy a copy!

afro1920 · #**275** 12-09-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by janos614

I think the old girlfriends (and wives, in some cases) should get together and write a book on how to survive dating and marrying royalty. I know I'd buy a copy!

I totally agree!!!!

Boy, these girls have no clue really...

politikgirl · #**276** 12-10-2006, 09:33 AM

Or they could just start reading this forum. I'm sure they'd learn a few tips from us royal watchers.

magnik · #**277** 12-10-2006, 01:46 PM

I can say only ... not again

LadyK · #**278** 12-10-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zonk

we (and by that I mean the royal watchers) expect these girls to just pop up and know how to behave, talk and dress like a princess. They are entering a new world of class, traditions, money, expected behavior, etc. Unless you are a part of the nobility (calling Mathilde) you don't just know what to do. It takes time, a good mentor, some media training, and a nice clothing budget.

Really? I would think that it'd be pretty obvious. I think it's pretty self-explanatory- don't speak to the media, you know, those guys with the cameras? Maybe it's a little harder to always look the part, or act gracefully, but that's ok. I'm not even so worried that she talks to her friends about her relationship. I just think it's kind of ridiculous to be in a relationship with a prince and not realize that talking to the media is a taboo.

MoonlightRhapsody · #**279** 12-11-2006, 01:50 AM

This relationship is not going to end at the altar...Trust me. With her history of blabbing, do you really think that the Queen is going to easily accept her? On top of that, I don't believe Marie can stand up to the eventual comparisons with her predecessor, Princess Alexandra, and her look-alike, Crown Princess Mary.

I know that girls don't "just pop up and know how to behave" but talking to the press is common sense. You're in a relationship with a royal, you keep your mouth shut until such a time you're given the green light by the Palace.

Jo of Palatine · #**280** 12-11-2006, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlightRhapsody

This relationship is not going to end at the altar...

And why should it end there? Prince Joachim is a man, he's divorced so he is free to pursue whatever liaison he wishes to have with a woman. As long as this is okay with the girl it should be okay with the public. But of course, as soon as a prince is seen with a girl, she becomes a potential prince's bride and of interest for the media and the people. Maybe Marie simply has difficulties with being a mistress? There are still girls out there who don't like to be labelled "mistress" in public which is what she would be when it's clear there are no marriage intentions on either side. So maybe her "blabbing" is a way of self-protection. Maybe she gets the feeling out of it that she can shape her image at least a bit. Especially as she knows that she is a look-a-like to princess Mary and warms the bed princess Alexandra left. I wouldn't wonder if it's her who has a problem with the relationship and not him.