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Old 08-02-2020, 06:27 PM
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Harry wasn’t allowed to remain in the military, so a similar option wasn’t available to him.

I actually don’t understand what Joachim wants out of his life. From what I’m reading he wasn’t a good farmer/farm owner. That profession seemed “forced” on him. But has he shown, in the past, a passion for anything in particular? Posters make him seem like he’s been adrift for most of his adult life. Am I wrong?
Harry chose to leave the army, because he didn't want to do a desk job.... I agree that It doesn't seem as if Joachim is very setled in any occupation
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Old 08-04-2020, 10:29 AM
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The Danish royal house has just issued a statement announcing that Prince Joachim has been discharged from the hospital.

H.K.H. Prins Joachim er udskrevet fra hospitalet | Kongehuset
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:03 AM
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That's good.

I understand it's very common to suffer from severe fatigue after such an ordeal, even if you recover fully.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:45 AM
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I’m very happy to read that Joachim is likely to make a full recovery. I hope he follows the advice of his physicians to the letter and enjoys good health for a very long time!

The interview with Joachim and Marie is confusing to me. I don’t get why it’s hard for royals to understand that nothing good ever comes from public negative behaviour or comments. Especially royals who have been around for a long time like Marie. Tension with your husband? Don’t like your in -laws? Don’t like the press? Royal life in general not at all what you expected? Ok, well, take it out on your husband at home. Add it to the list of things to discuss with your therapist. Cry in the shower. Set up a Fight Club in the basement of the palace if you have to but keep in mind that there is a reason why the first rule of Fight Club is that you do not talk about Fight Club!

Marie is far from the only royal who’s done something like this, and hers isn’t even the worst example, (and I get that this has been a stressful year for everyone), but come on! If your husband’s mother is Kris Jenner then ok, this is the kind of thing you do. If your husband’s mother is a Head if State then the emotions you get to express in public are happiness, enthusiasm and gratitude. Regardless of what’s going on behind the scenes.

And I would say the above is even more true if you’re a military wife. If a Canadian officer was given the honour of a prestigious foreign posting and his or her spouse made these comments to the press it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say the officer’s chance for career advancement would effectively be over. I doubt things are too different in Denmark, unless the officer in question is Queen Margrethe’s son.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:57 AM
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I’m very happy to read that Joachim is likely to make a full recovery. I hope he follows the advice of his physicians to the letter and enjoys good health for a very long time!

The interview with Joachim and Marie is confusing to me. I don’t get why it’s hard for royals to understand that nothing good ever comes from public negative behaviour or comments. Especially royals who have been around for a long time like Marie. Tension with your husband? Don’t like your in -laws? Don’t like the press? Royal life in general not at all what you expected? Ok, well, take it out on your husband at home. Add it to the list of things to discuss with your therapist. Cry in the shower. Set up a Fight Club in the basement of the palace if you have to but keep in mind that there is a reason why the first rule of Fight Club is that you do not talk about Fight Club!

Marie is far from the only royal who’s done something like this, and hers isn’t even the worst example, (and I get that this has been a stressful year for everyone), but come on! If your husband’s mother is Kris Jenner then ok, this is the kind of thing you do. If your husband’s mother is a Head if State then the emotions you get to express in public are happiness, enthusiasm and gratitude. Regardless of what’s going on behind the scenes.

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If they are so unhappy, perhaps this illness may mean that tehy have an acceptable excuse for pulling out of this posting due to ill health.
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:24 PM
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Glad to hear he is out of the hospital and can relax/recover at "home" at Château de Cayx. Leaving the hospital is always a relief both for the patient and for the family.
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Old 08-04-2020, 01:57 PM
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If they are so unhappy, perhaps this illness may mean that tehy have an acceptable excuse for pulling out of this posting due to ill health.
Come on!

There is a huge step from being displeased (and perhaps stressed) to using this as an excuse to opt out.

There is a no need to vilify J&M more than absolutely necessary.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:28 PM
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If they are so unhappy, perhaps this illness may mean that tehy have an acceptable excuse for pulling out of this posting due to ill health.
I wonder if Joachim is unhappy, though? Marie made her feelings clear but I didn’t get the sense that he had big problems with their current setup. It sounds like things happened pretty quickly at the beginning but to me it seemed that Joachim at least understood that he’d been given a good opportunity.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:47 PM
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I wonder if Joachim is unhappy, though? Marie made her feelings clear but I didn’t get the sense that he had big problems with their current setup. It sounds like things happened pretty quickly at the beginning but to me it seemed that Joachim at least understood that he’d been given a good opportunity.
Indeed. It seems to me this is mostly our Marie (pretty unwise) voicing her frustrations, stress and dissatisfaction with not having a say. Even though I also think Joachim share her feelings to some extent.
But Joachim would not speak against his wife in front of a journalist, let alone tell her to be quiet.

And even though that's life, because you do sometimes have to interrupt your cozy life or simply go do your duty, it's also refreshingly honest.

One of the things I like about Marie is that she is terrible at pretending.
If she is enthusiastic she shows it.
If she is shocked, she shows it.
If she is bored stiff, she's on the verge of nodding off.
And if she is angry or frustrated about something, she says so.

We can discuss whether she has a point or acts a little spoiled here. (I think so actually.) And it no doubt prevents her from being crown princess material, but at least it's honest and human.
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Old 08-04-2020, 02:49 PM
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So glad to hear Joachim has been discharged from the hospital. A lot going forward depends on his continued recovery. It is very possible both Marie and Joachim have had a life reset as a result of his hospitalization. Best wishes on his continued recovery.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:45 PM
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Could it be that Joachim is unhappy it is a job? It seems that the DRF does not really do much, so they have a lot of free time on their hands. And this probably requires 30 plus hours of actual work per week?
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Old 08-05-2020, 02:47 AM
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That's good.

I understand it's very common to suffer from severe fatigue after such an ordeal, even if you recover fully.
Possible, it depends very much how the surgery was done, if only through the nose f.e. it is far more easy to recover than if really the skull was opened. the bones need at least 6 weeks to heal and it takes months after that with misfeelings plus the brain needs to calm down after being touched in a surgery, this alone causes lots of confusion aso.
I think the information published is maybe a try to give the family peace and of course I hope things work out, but to be honest no one can say how things develop at this early stage. It is good as he seems to be not paralysed or something but there are many many things which can occur, psychologically, too.
Time will twll.
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Old 08-05-2020, 05:11 AM
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Come on!

There is a huge step from being displeased (and perhaps stressed) to using this as an excuse to opt out.

There is a no need to vilify J&M more than absolutely necessary.
How is it vilifying him? If they are so unhappy that they said all this to a newspaper, they must be very unhappy. Perhaps they gave it a try and found it was worse than they expected... and if he has had a serious health problem this would be a way to step out and return to Denmark.. He has other interests, doesn't he? He coudl probaby find some other work to do...
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Old 08-05-2020, 06:41 AM
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Could it be that Joachim is unhappy it is a job? It seems that the DRF does not really do much, so they have a lot of free time on their hands. And this probably requires 30 plus hours of actual work per week?
It sounds like Marie is more unhappy than he is.. but still, he may have allowed himself to be pressured into taking it, he doesn't like it. His wife is even more unhappy.. and he is more miserable because he has a cross wife at home, complaining...
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:50 AM
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Could it be that Joachim is unhappy it is a job? It seems that the DRF does not really do much, so they have a lot of free time on their hands. And this probably requires 30 plus hours of actual work per week?
Well, he would have been used to long hours at the office while managing Schackenborg.
The work as attache means quite a few hours at the office. Many meetings. Many visits to bases. Regular working dinners and receptions. So it's not a 9-5 job.

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How is it vilifying him? If they are so unhappy that they said all this to a newspaper, they must be very unhappy. Perhaps they gave it a try and found it was worse than they expected... and if he has had a serious health problem this would be a way to step out and return to Denmark.. He has other interests, doesn't he? He coudl probaby find some other work to do...
I don't know how unhappy they really are. Perhaps they don't even know themselves. Perhaps more stressed and frustrated than unhappy IMO.
So far they have only had a genuine day to day life about now.
I'm sure he could find something else to do and perhaps he wanted/planned to?

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It sounds like Marie is more unhappy than he is.. but still, he may have allowed himself to be pressured into taking it, he doesn't like it. His wife is even more unhappy.. and he is more miserable because he has a cross wife at home, complaining...
You may very well nail it there.
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:10 AM
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The work as attache means quite a few hours at the office. Many meetings. Many visits to bases. Regular working dinners and receptions. So it's not a 9-5 job.
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Well, an assistant/deputy attaché has been appointed to assist him.
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:12 AM
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Well, he would have been used to long hours at the office while managing Schackenborg.
The work as attache means quite a few hours at the office. Many meetings. Many visits to bases. Regular working dinners and receptions. So it's not a 9-5 job.



I don't know how unhappy they really are. Perhaps they don't even know themselves. Perhaps more stressed and frustrated than unhappy IMO.
So far they have only had a genuine day to day life about now.
I'm sure he could find something else to do and perhaps he wanted/planned to?



You may very well nail it there.
It doesn't sound like he was a very successful farmer, though. And perhaps - the RF pressured him to take this attache job, because he was seen as dawdling around doing nothing much.. but he didn't like it much and his wife likes it even less.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:33 PM
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Well, an assistant/deputy attaché has been appointed to assist him.
Advisor, assistant - and adjutant. Both a Prince and a brigadier needs an adjutant.

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It doesn't sound like he was a very successful farmer, though. And perhaps - the RF pressured him to take this attache job, because he was seen as dawdling around doing nothing much.. but he didn't like it much and his wife likes it even less.
Not being very successful and dawdling around about is very much in the eyes of the beholder. It's a description I do not agree with though.
People can work hard and still fail.

And at present the RF consists pretty much of QMII, I doubt Frederik would have been directly involved in employing his brother.
I believe QMII genuinely felt this would be the ideal job and life for J&M.

Perhaps QMII should invite her sons and daughters-in-law over more often for a cup and coffee and listen a little more?
Perhaps she would have realized that while she would probably have loved to be a diplomat's wife in Paris of all places for a few years, that might not be the case with her youngest son and his wife.
- Just a thought.

I firmly believe royals are human beings and sometimes they think, feel and react just as irrational, spoiled and unwise as everybody else.
That's why we can relate to them and that's what makes them interesting.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:51 PM
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Advisor, assistant - and adjutant. Both a Prince and a brigadier needs an adjutant.
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https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/pr...ttache-i-paris

"Der vil som noget nyt også blive udpeget en assisterende forsvarsattaché til at bistå prins Joachim"

"As something new, an assistant defense attaché will also be appointed to assist Prince Joachim"

Is "assistant defense attaché" the same as an adjutant then, if this is only the second embassy to have one and the title is "assisterende forsvarsattaché"?
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Old 08-05-2020, 01:31 PM
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I have to laugh reading this thread. It was just a few months ago that people were claiming that Joachim and Marie were abandoning Denmark, so he could take a pointless military course in France. People were complaining that he is lazy and doesn't deserve his appanage.

Now, after Joachim's health crisis and a casual comment by Marie, the view has turned completely. They were forced out of a Denmark, and he has been diligently preparing for a very difficult job, not shirking his duty.

Who knows what the behind-the-scenes story is? We don't even know the full context of Marie's comments, apart from that they came in an unscheduled encounter with a reporter as they were walking down a street in France.

People (and the media) ought to take a breath and focus on the happy news that he came through a life-threatening medical drama in good shape. Whether Joachim is serving Denmark at home or through his job in France, his commitment to duty is admirable.
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