General News about Joachim, Marie and Family 3: January 2011 - July 2014

[Tarlita]

I don't see a problem with this. As Joachim and Marie will be there for the summer and mingling with the locals as they always did before. Everyone has to make changes for the better for logistics and financial reasons. I expect this couple will take on more royal duties from his ageing parents. I wish them well with their new abode and hope it all works out well for the children as well.

[nwinther]

Originally Posted by Mirabel

Perhaps they simply got bored with living way out in the country?

Many people prefer city life where there is much more to do; it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of the couple craved more excitement.

And while that may be well and true, I personally find it as a royal obligation to represent the whole country, and be close not only to the copenhageners but to other parts of the realm as well.

That's "tough noogies" IMO, and one of the reasons the danes happily pay for the upkeep of the royal family.
It hasn't reduced my support for the royal family, but I must expess my deep disappointment and hope that they somehow rectify this.

Originally Posted by ricarda

I personally don't see a problem with J+M living in Copenhagen permanently (they spent a lot of time there anyhow). It's not as if the Regent couple and CP couple are only doing engagements in Cph. They are spreading out and J+M will too. And for the children (and J+M) it will be nicer to live near the rest of the family.

But there's a huge difference between living in a community and occationally visiting a community - the community here being the entire Jutland peninsula.

TRF spends a couple of weeks at Gråsten every year, the same with Marselisborg and Trend is almost never used.
I don't suspect Schackenborg to be used any more than Gråsten and then "only" by J&M.

Remember, there's a bigger picture here than the convenience of not having to travel. Fair enough to turn it over to a foundation - but keep living there, for goodness sake.
It's not a random family - it's the ROYAL family and the ONLY part of the royal family that has anyting resembling an abode in Denmark outside greater Copenhagen.

[ashelen]

Wasn't this one of the problems Joachim had with alexandr? She wanted to live In the city?

[nwinther]

Originally Posted by ashelen

Wasn't this one of the problems Joachim had with alexandr? She wanted to live In the city?

Yes that has been rumored. Something else was wrong, I'm sure.

However, if that was the only problem there would be ways of accomodating that particular need. Let Marie (then Alexandra) keep an apartment in Copenhagen, hell they can even spend most of the year there.
But keep up appearances and insist on getting your mail in Møgeltønder.
Danes can be very accomodating and understanding in that regard - but this move effectively severs the ties that had been forged with the jutes regarding locality, respect and familarity. And that, to danes in general and jutes in particular, is an invaluable currency and was a boon to the Royal Family as a whole.
It made us "cope" (sorry if I sound like a spoiled child) with the fact that the copenhageners got the head of the royal family and even the crown prince couple, leaving us the junior branch of the family.
Now we have nothing but the occational visit at christmas and the odd spotting of a court car near Trend.

[Nordic]

Originally Posted by nwinther

It made us "cope" (sorry if I sound like a spoiled child) with the fact that the copenhageners got the head of the royal family and even the crown prince couple, leaving us the junior branch of the family.
Now we have nothing but the occational visit at christmas and the odd spotting of a court car near Trend.

I've gotten the impression, could be wrong of course, that the CP couple are the ones spending most time at the cabin in Trend. For all we know, they could be there at the moment. It seems to be a very private place and we never get to see photos from their stay.

A couple of days ago, I read an article in a Danish paper. Some expert (or something) thought, that now that Joachim and Marie move to Copenhagen, Frederik and Mary "should" start to spend a couple of months at Gråsten every summer, to make up for J&M moving from Jylland.

Frederik and Mary sure have their holidays planned for the rest of their lives...

[nwinther]

Originally Posted by Nordic

I've gotten the impression, could be wrong of course, that the CP couple are the ones spending most time at the cabin in Trend. For all we know, they could be there at the moment.

The cabin was abandoned for a long time in the 90's and after Mary entered the stage, a few new years parties etc. has been held there.

However, it is not a place where the RF spend weeks and weeks, let alone live.
Schackenborg was a home, a place of residence, on a permanent basis.

Only Amalienborg, Gråsten and at times Fredensborg has had a similar status (and Sorgenfri, I suppose).

With the passing of Queen Ingrid, Gråsten is left to it's own devices with the exception of a fortnight in the summer, and Fredensborg is a summer residence also (although for much longer and much more systematically).

Marselisborg is housing the Christmas tree (and the CP couple has abandoned even that tradition) and little else.

The CP couple especially seems evermore committed to Copenhagen and other nations entirely, and only visits other places in Denmark for a few hours and rarely engages with the locals the way Joachim did in Møgeltønder.

The tradition of having Ingrid in Gråsten was sort of kept up by Joachim in Møgeltønder, even emphasized it as he was young, active and had small children and a charming princess - now it's Copenhagen, Copenhagen, Copenhagen.

And the major part of Danes actually know their neighbours. Only in Copenhagen (an exaggeration, I know) can you remain anonymous and that is not the "Danish way" - the RF having a representative engaging in that "Danish way" made up for a lot throughout the small cities and towns.

[polyesco]

Originally Posted by nwinther

The cabin was abandoned for a long time in the 90's and after Mary entered the stage, a few new years parties etc. has been held there.

It looks to me that Frederik and Mary do spend more time in Trend. The past birthdays of Christian and Isabella come to mind. (or maybe im confsuing the locations). Dont they spend their summers in Denmark somewhere (sorry im forgetting the names)

But back to Joachim and Marie. Would they be living in the city in a "normal" house like Alexandra or Sorgenfri (where Elizabeth moved into)?

sorry if im confusing the locations

[nwinther]

Originally Posted by polyesco

It looks to me that Frederik and Mary do spend more time in Trend. The past birthdays of Christian and Isabella come to mind. (or maybe im confsuing the locations). Dont they spend their summers in Denmark somewhere (sorry im forgetting the names)

But back to Joachim and Marie. Would they be living in the city in a "normal" house like Alexandra or Sorgenfri (where Elizabeth moved into)?

sorry if im confusing the locations

It seems they are looking for a large villa like Alexandra and Martin.

Personally I'd prefer it if they chose Sorgenfri or another of the palaces as their residence since they can't bear to stay at Schackenborg, but I suppose one of the reasons of moving is getting away from the castle-lifestyle.

[dbarn67]

Joachim and Marie along with Countess Alexandra, Martin and Prince Felix arrive at Prince Nikolai's school for his last day before summer vacation.

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[Fox]

Joachim and Marie could buy Princess Elizabeths house.

She is lacking money and therefor had to put it up for sale some month ago.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Fox

Joachim and Marie could buy Princess Elizabeths house.

She is lacking money and therefor had to put it up for sale some month ago.

The Prince has placed 13 million DKK (some 1,75 million Euro) in the foundation. I wonder if he has money left to buy Sorgenfri, which has quite a prize tag.

[ashelen]

I think beside the big price tag to keep their place in Jutland it's the education later on for the kids n to remain closer to the older kids, honest I'm acuity g URL I would prefer to live in Copenhagen or very close to it so I can understand them wanted to move there!!!! But as royal family support by the tax payers they should to do the effort to visit the rest of the cities more often n spend time with the locals

[Fox]

The only thing that has changed in this aspect, is The eldest going to bording school.

[Tilia C.]

Iirc, they have always spent a lot of time at Kopenhagen, and the little ones switched between kindergarten there and in Mogeltonder. But as soon as Henrik goes to school, that won't work anymore. They must decide for one school anyway.

And then the up-keep for Schackenborg must be enormous. Those old houses constantly need repair in one place or another. And the heating costs are usually gigantic. The farm probably isn't profitable enough to provide for all that. But I don't know enough about finance to understand how a foundation would solve that problem, as the castle would still have to be up-kept.

[nwinther]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

The Prince has placed 13 million DKK (some 1,75 million Euro) in the foundation. I wonder if he has money left to buy Sorgenfri, which has quite a prize tag.

Experts estimate that he has assets left round Schackenborg worth at least 110mio DKK (12 mio. euro).

I would like it if more palaces were kept within the family. It adds something to a place that someone - the owner - lives there.

Originally Posted by ashelen

I think beside the big price tag to keep their place in Jutland it's the education later on for the kids n to remain closer to the older kids, honest I'm acuity g URL I would prefer to live in Copenhagen or very close to it so I can understand them wanted to move there!!!! But as royal family support by the tax payers they should to do the effort to visit the rest of the cities more often n spend time with the locals

Not visit. LIVE!

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Tilia C.

Iirc, they have always spent a lot of time at Kopenhagen, and the little ones switched between kindergarten there and in Mogeltonder. But as soon as Henrik goes to school, that won't work anymore. They must decide for one school anyway.

And then the up-keep for Schackenborg must be enormous. Those old houses constantly need repair in one place or another. And the heating costs are usually gigantic. The farm probably isn't profitable enough to provide for all that. But I don't know enough about finance to understand how a foundation would solve that problem, as the castle would still have to be up-kept.

There is big challenges for the danish nobility about repairs and maintanence.

I can mention Egeskov that has chosen to open up for guests.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9U...upxMG19LpJuro-

That is truly an amazing place.

While par example Constantinsborg, Frijsenborg, Gyllingnæs, and Wedellsborg,are succesfully run as estates.

[Tilia C.]

Originally Posted by Fox

There is big challenges for the danish nobility about repairs and maintanence.

I can mention Egeskov that has chosen to open up for guests.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9U...upxMG19LpJuro-

That is truly an amazing place.

While par example Constantinsborg, Frijsenborg, Gyllingnæs, and Wedellsborg,are succesfully run as estates.

I have seen a couple of TV interviews and documentaries of German nobles explaining how difficult it is to keep these old buildings in good repair. The costs are immense and a lot of dedication, resourcefulness and creativity is needed to keep them going. So I guess it's the same in Denmark and everywhere else.

Since Schackenborg is a private estate, the maintenance must be paid from the proceeds from the estate. On the other hand some solutions like opening for visitors or frequent cultural events are impossible due to Prince Joachim's royal status.

And I do understand completely that it is a loss for the region of Jutland to have them move out. It must have been a difficult decision for J & M.

[nwinther]

Afaik, Schackenborg is a listed building. Some of the upkeep is paid for by the government.

[polyesco]

Another article on Joachim's move.
it seems his image has taken a hit
Danskerne kede af slot-salg: Det var dumt, Joachim! - Nyheder | www.bt.dk

[Duke of Marmalade]

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Apparently J&M bought a house for 58 Mio DKK, that's about 8 Mio Euros. Given that Joachim supposedly gave up Schackenborg because of debt, where does he have that amount of money from?