General News about Frederik, Mary and Family Part 14: September 2015 - December 2015

[Muhler]

The week long autumn holiday started this weekend and usually M&F and their children embark to the hunting lodge in Trend in Jutland.
It's not unlikely they go there today after perhaps having celebrated Christian's birthday with a party for his friends Saturday.

Being located in the middle of a forest and other kind of woodland, and close to a fjord and marshland, they should with any luck see some wildlife.

It's very common to see various deer in the forest as there are well over one million of them living in DK:
http://navisen.dk/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Deer.jpg
http://www.fugleognatur.dk/images/ga...3%A5-1-buk.jpg

Even though the European Bison has been reintroduced to DK, they don't live near Trend:
http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/004...10_489127a.jpg

But there are quite a number of wild boars here, carefully fenced in. A necessity due to the export of pork.
http://www.denstoredanske.dk/@api/de...=dp-bd2-46.jpg

Trend is sufficiently remote and inviting for a number of eagles to be nesting in the general area. Predominantly what we call Havørne = Sea-eagles.
http://www.fugleognatur.dk/images/ga...%C3%B82f+n.jpg

With a bit of luck they can hear the distinct sound of the Great Horned Owl. They have returned too in recent years and in a couple of cases they have decimated the population of cats in a village. ***** may think she's the top-predator of the village - she isn't! One night...!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...d2/Uhu-muc.jpg

The European Beaver is back as well. A number of them live near Trend where they are doing fine, thank you very much:
http://www.denstoredanske.dk/@api/de...dp-bd1-145.jpg

You may not believe it but there are wild horses living in DK. In protected habitats on islands. But recent DNA tests have shown that somehow they have managed to breed with domestic, modern horses.
http://b.bimg.dk/node-images/291/6/2...ild-horses.jpg

The largest animal we have in DK is the Elk. They live almost exclusively on Zealand since most of them are refugees from Sweden, who swim across the sound. But most die from exhaustion or stress: http://acdn.byggeteknik.dk/article/_pics/82780_1_xl.jpg
Fortunately they are to be reintroduced in the wild here as well. Mainly in Jutland, where things are more quiet.

There have also been some talk about reintroducing the European Rhino as well as elephants, who will soon become as hairy as their European ancestors.

The biologist have now positively identified four she-wolves in DK, so it's estimated that there are at least ten adults and perhaps some cubs as well.
They roam all over Jutland, but so far haven't made it to the larger islands like Funen. Even though the sound is narrow the current is strong. But it's probably only a question before they, just like the red deer figure out: Why swim, when there are two nice bridges?
Here is a photo taken only a few days ago by an automatic camera. The terrain is very similar to what you will find around Trend: https://app.box.com/s/f3wv0vrqzg2xidg6y7unmp94dh1a2r78
There is plenty of food in DK for wolves, so when the Ravens circle you may find this: http://www.b.dk/sites/default/files-...axo-photo.jpeg

And finally a couple of view of Trend:
http://www.fugleognatur.dk/forum/ima...0Jagthytte.jpg
You don't drive in by accident though: http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/006...el_639683z.jpg

[Roskilde]

Thank you, Muhler Trend may be a fantastic place. Surrounded by nature and serenity. Ideal for a active outdoor family as the Crown Prince Family.

But before (and exactly as we talked about) Frederik, Mary and all four children yesterday visited Tivoli which is Halloween-decorated this week

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Yesterday, Saturday the 10th October - F&M and children visited Tivoli in Copenhagen:

"CROWN PRINCE FAMILY VISIT "PHOENIX"
Among the 900 children and adults to today's show was a special family from Copenhagen with their four children: Christian, Isabella, Vincent and Josephine. Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary wished to experience 'Adventure Theatre's' family musical "Phoenix" with all their children and after the show they visited the young actors from The Adventure Theatre: Here, the two Princes and the two Princesses each received a "Phoenix-bird with gold feathers" as a magical memory of the performance which caused excitement in both children and adults in the Crown Prince family."

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[TLLK]

Interesting how there are two different names for an animal known as a "moose" in North America. The term "elk" is used for a very large member of the deer family that travels in herds. I had the pleasure of seeing two moose this summer at Alaska's Denali National Park.

[Muhler]

They are pretty impressive!

They are a common sight in Sweden and quite a risk on the high ways there. Even a Volvo (build like a main battle tank... and with a similar acceleration) has problems surviving a collision with such a big animal.

The Danish name for a moose/elk is "elg" so homemade animals like these are inevitably named Helga and Helge.
http://kunst-galleriet.dk/onewebstat...f-DSCN1138.JPG
http://kunst-galleriet.dk/onewebstat...3-DSCN0980.JPG
- Yes, the winters are long here in DK...

The mods may wish to place this elsewhere: Mary festede med nygift ambassadør - Royale | www.bt.dk

The American ambassador to DK, Rufus Gifford, got married Saturday to his partner of many years, Stephen DeVincent. The marriage took place in Copenhagen and they invited a couple of hundred of their friends over to celebrate.
But as the ambassador is the US representative, and is seen frequently in the Copenhagen gay scene there were a number of Danish representatives to the party afterwards that lasted well into the night to Sunday.

BT writes that Mary took part in the party and that pictures of her at the party a have surfaced. BT does not show these pictures - you know, the laws of privacy and giving permissions and all that - but evidently they can be found on the Net somewhere, so happy hunting.

Here is a gallery from the wedding: http://www.bt.dk/danmark/se-billeder...tephen#slide-1
And no, it's not the Royal Lifeguard, it's the Tivoli Guard.

- No sure about the American laws, so is an otherwise legal gay marriage performed abroad, valid in USA? That is, in the states that do not allow gay marriages.

[Roskilde]

Thanks Muhler,

(Frederik and) Mary may have taken to the wedding in the evening after their visit in Tivoli with their children during the day.

BT base their article on one Twitter photo where you can see a glimpse of what look like Mary in the background, so Frederik very likely has attend the wedding too. We have before seen that Frederik and Mary have spend private time with our US Ambassador Rufus.

I remember that Christian was about to "reveales" a private family excursion during an official event in the beginning of the year. F&M and Christian and Isabella was attend "Find Your Way Day" and the press were interviewing the family. The press asked how the family were going to spend their Easter holiday after the event, and Christian said "Well, we are actually going on Easter hunt with the US Ambassador..." before Frederik, with a smile, stopped him before he told to much of their private plans

By the way, an extremely likeable and pleasant man, the American Ambassador, Rufus. I followed him in a program on DR2.


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The autumn holidays has started and we can see the Crown Prince family has enjoyed their first weekend out and about.

Yesterday, F&M and all four children went to the family-theater in Tivoli, and today Frederik and Christian were spotted having a boys-day out to a football match in Parken with grandpa Henrik and cousins Nikolaj and Felix:

http://ekstrabladet.dk/incoming/arti...900/Henrik.jpg

[TLLK]

How long does the autumn holiday break last? My children's school district is taking Mon. and Tues. as a pupil free long weekend. The faculty/staff will be in training on those days. Our next long weekend will be at the end of November for Thanksgiving with our district taking Wed.-Fri. off.

[Muhler]

A week. Week 42 has been the autumn holiday for many, many years. It used to be called the Potato Holiday back when DK was predominantly an agricultural society.
Back then children were needed for the potato harvest, so they were kept home from school anyway by their parents, so a virtue was made out of necessity and it became an annual school holiday.

We don't celebrate Thanksgiving, for obvious reasons of course, so the next school holiday is the Christmas holiday.

[marye]

The United States Supreme Court ruled that same-sex couple marriages are legal and all states are required to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

[grevinnan]

Originally Posted by TLLK

Interesting how there are two different names for an animal known as a "moose" in North America. The term "elk" is used for a very large member of the deer family that travels in herds. I had the pleasure of seeing two moose this summer at Alaska's Denali National Park.

The North American elk and moose are two different animals and there is no confusion there about them. The confusion is that in some parts of Europe the moose is called elk. Perhaps it comes from moose being called elg in Danish and älg in Swedish.

[dazzling]

Originally Posted by Muhler

The mods may wish to place this elsewhere: Mary festede med nygift ambassadør - Royale | www.bt.dk

The American ambassador to DK, Rufus Gifford, got married Saturday to his partner of many years, Stephen DeVincent. The marriage took place in Copenhagen and they invited a couple of hundred of their friends over to celebrate.
But as the ambassador is the US representative, and is seen frequently in the Copenhagen gay scene there were a number of Danish representatives to the party afterwards that lasted well into the night to Sunday.

BT writes that Mary took part in the party and that pictures of her at the party a have surfaced. BT does not show these pictures - you know, the laws of privacy and giving permissions and all that - but evidently they can be found on the Net somewhere, so happy hunting.

Here is a gallery from the wedding: Se billederne: Så fik Rufus Gifford sin Stephen - Danmark | www.bt.dk
And no, it's not the Royal Lifeguard, it's the Tivoli Guard.

- No sure about the American laws, so is an otherwise legal gay marriage performed abroad, valid in USA? That is, in the states that do not allow gay marriages.

Muhler, I am surprised they won't publish the pictures of Mary at the wedding. There have been pictures of Mary attending weddings and parties in the past. Is this a new law?

[Muhler]

I'm sure they would love to publish the pics.

But there is the question of copyrights, if they lift a pic, especially of a well known person like Mary, from say Facebook without the original uploader's permission.
This is a picture that is worth money, while a picture that show a random guest from Boston is pretty worthless in Danish context.

Then there is the law on privacy.
As a guest at a private party Mary is protected by that law.
If there was no press invited for the party then it's private, period.
The excuse about "someone uploaded it on Facebook, and Facebook is public" won't convince a judge.

It's akin to BT stealing a picture from a photo-album.
After all Mary and the American ambassador isn't just anybody.
And then of course there is the little detail about the picture technically being taken on American territory.
And BT would like to present itself as a tabloid, but not a trashy tabloid...
- Plenty of "is it really worth it" considerations in regards to "circumnavigating" the law..

But let's see if the ambassadorial couple doesn't publish pictures themselves.

Thanks, Marye

[Princess Robijn]

Originally Posted by dazzling

Muhler, I am surprised they won't publish the pictures of Mary at the wedding. There have been pictures of Mary attending weddings and parties in the past. Is this a new law?

It could be that Crown Princess Mary was not alone in the pictures. The possible other person in the picture might take offense to the picture being published.

[Muhler]

Follow up.

BT has described the picture: Mary festede med nygift ambassadør - Royale | www.bt.dk

The text describes pictures of two well known, Danish public figures, Mary and a politician who have worked personally with the ambassador, Nikolai Wammen.

Mary: Kronprinsesse Mary fordybet i samtale foran baren, hvor en tjener er i færd med at blande en drink. = Crown Princess Mary in deep conversation at the bar, where a waiter is mixing a drink.

Nikolai Wammen: Tidligere forsvarsminister Nikolai Wammen (S) med et langstilket glas i højre hånd og den venstre om livet på ambassadøren. = Former Minister of Defense Nikolai Wammen, with a long-stemmed glass in the right hand and the left around the waist of the ambassador.

There are as far as I can see two pictures from the private party. One picture focus on the happy couple cutting the cake - not the guests.
The other focus on the ambassador giving a speech - not the guests.
And that I guess is as far as BT is prepared to go.

I see BTW that the BB journalist Henrik Salling was present at the party. Perhaps as a guest?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...3008209&type=3 - Uploading a photo of the ambassadorial feet after the wedding dance. - And that link led me to the picture of Mary. Henrik Salling and two friends are taking a selfie and Mary is standing in the background with a group of people - not at the bar, BT! In the vicinity of the bar only.

We can of course debate how "accidental" it was that Mary just "happened" to be in the background of that selfie...

ADDED: I will advise the mods not to post that selfie here. Apart from Mary having the right to some privacy, even at a party, there is also a difference between "lending" a pic from Jolene Average's Facebook profile and "lending" one from a journalist. Some of them can be pretty vindictive. Also towards a non-profit forum like this. - Those in the know need no reminding!

[Roskilde]

Congratulations to the happy couple. Their wedding has recieved a huge number of likes and tributes on Facebook.

The one picture where we can spot Mary in a group I'm 99 percent sure it's we can spot Frederik standing next to her :) Hope they had a nice wedding evening and are allowed to have a private evening once in a while.

Originally Posted by Roskilde

Thank you, Muhler Trend may be a fantastic place. Surrounded by nature and serenity. Ideal for a active outdoor family as the Crown Prince Family.

But before (and exactly as we talked about) Frederik, Mary and all four children yesterday visited Tivoli which is Halloween-decorated this week

----

Yesterday, Saturday the 10th October - F&M and children visited Tivoli in Copenhagen:

"CROWN PRINCE FAMILY VISIT "PHOENIX"
Among the 900 children and adults to today's show was a special family from Copenhagen with their four children: Christian, Isabella, Vincent and Josephine. Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary wished to experience 'Adventure Theatre's' family musical "Phoenix" with all their children and after the show they visited the young actors from The Adventure Theatre: Here, the two Princes and the two Princesses each received a "Phoenix-bird with gold feathers" as a magical memory of the performance which caused excitement in both children and adults in the Crown Prince family."

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Here is a video with a little the sneak peak from the family theater play "The Bird Phoenix" Frederik, Mary and the children watched in Tivoli Saturday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT12IzHdbsI

[Roskilde]

Added:

Yesterday evening, Frederik and Christian were spotted having a father-son-day out to a football match in Parken with grandpa Henrik and cousins Nikolaj and Felix.

First Frederik and Christian arrived. So they stood ready to receive Grandpapa Henrik who had picked up prince Felix and prince Nikolaj on his way.

- Do you have a scarf? Henrik asked Christian who proudly showed Grandpapa his Danish red/white football scarf.

- So you are Danish tonight, and I'm ... Oh, yes, I am both Danish and French, said Henrik to Christian.

A very nice picture of Christian surrounded big his older cousins. Now he his a part of the big boys:
http://herognu.dk/upload/fixed/643/4.../prinserne.jpg

[polyesco]

Thank you for translating what they said.
Christian with his red and white scarf. What a lovely day out, only missing was Vincent, perhaps it was too late for him.

Two more pictures from the game
what a handsome man with a lovely smile Frederik is
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https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...ae6efd21b6c81a

and lovely to see the family in Tivoli, they have seen many plays and musicals there.
And Christian is just a mini-Frederik already
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Two more pictures of the family in Tivoli
http://i62.tinypic.com/333v1j4.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/m79z6b.jpg

just lovely how they can walk around without much hazel .

[dazzling]

Yes copyright issues but I thought the press couldn't take pictures and post them, I think I misunderstood something somewhere

[Muhler]

That was covered by the second part of my reply.

The law on privacy.
If it's a private party without the press being invited: no photographs.
It's akin to the press just walking in at a random private wedding party and start to take pictures of the guest and then publish them in the paper the next day. - That's a criminal offense.

However, if the press publish pictures from a private party that someone else has uploaded on Facebook and similar places, then it begins to be tricky. Because the original uploader has the copyrights and strictly speaking the press needs permission for using them. Especially because it's for commercial use.
And a guest photographed at such a party is a private person, in a private place, so unless you have the permission of that guest the press can't use the picture.

BT opted to show Facebook snaps of the American ambassador and his husband, because the wedding was very public and the press had been present all day, except at the private party. - But strictly speaking...
Should the ambassador sue, I am more than confident he would win hands down in a Danish court for breach of his privacy. And the uploader could sue for for breach of copyrights unless BT has his/her permission - which I doubt.
In this case where a journalist, who obviously was a guest at the party as well, uploads a selfie where Mary (and Frederik) just "happens" to be in the background, BT seemed to avoid going there at all.
Partly IMO because a fellow journalist is familiar with the laws on privacy and partly because it could affect the journalists chances of being invited to similar parties again and that's bad for a journalist who makes a living covering royals, celebs and such parties! - So he would be pretty p*ssed and probably sue BT.

And that's why I advised against showing that selfie here.

There are of course lots of pictures of reality stars and similar celebs in private settings in the papers. They are pretty safe to publish because the celebs themselves are interested in the attention. - But they could sue and have a very good chance of winning.

Have you never wondered why despite M&F and J&M attending lots of private parties there are so few such pictures of them in the DK press? Despite the fact that everyone nowadays have a phone and therefore a camera?
Because people are considerate and never take photos of the royals? Well, a lot of people are of course.
But the press get a lot of offers from people wanting to sell photos of celebs and royals, and in most cases they decline because the photos are illegal. Having said that, the press do sometimes buy photos, for their own archives. Say of a married celeb at a swinger club - alone. But the photos can't be published.

You remember Harry and him stripping in a hotel room in Las Vegas?
Had it happened in a hotel room in Copenhagen, the one who took the pictures and sold them would have committed a criminal offense and the editors of Danish papers and magazines publishing them would also have come under the penal code. - In DK it's allowed to act silly in private.
The one who took the pictures couldn't even be safe if she sold the pics to foreign magazines. If she's on Danish soil, or returns to DK or is returned to DK she will face charges. And because it's a blatant criminal offense, the police don't even have to wait for the court to take action.
- Not to mention the subsequent civil lawsuit!

- Had Harry been snorting cocaine then it would have been a different matter, because now we are talking about a prominent royal who is an addict and perhaps out of control. And that means the press would have a case for publishing them under Danish legislation.

Also, if Mary is photographed at a private party having a row with Frederik and the press publish it, it's illegal. People are allowed to quarrel.
However, if Mary is photographed in a private garden kicking Ziggy repeatedly and the press publish it, then it's okay. - Because Mary is doing something illegal herself and she is such a prominent person that it is in the public interest to be informed.
- I have a friend who is a professional photographer and the above example was used at the school he went to, albeit with the then PM instead of Mary.

[MidwestMom]

Muhler, does this law also apply to videos, or just snapshots? If it applies to videos, then the video of Frederik at the nightclub a few days before the twins' christening was sold illegally. BTW, did they ever find out who took the video, and was there any legal action? To be clear: I'm not wanting to start another rehash of that incident, I'm simply curious about the outcome as it applies to this topic.

[Muhler]

That applies to all photographic and audio recordings but not descriptions and quotes.

In other words: You can't photograph, film or record say M&F having a row in a private place. - But you can tell about it. Unless you are an employee of the court or have a similar function covered by - what do you call it? - a pledge of confidence.

As for the nightclub. That's an interesting one. Because is a nightclub, open to the general public, a public place or a private place? There is an argument for that.
In this case it was IMO not a criminal offense but since Frederik did not give his permission and the owner did not give his permission for photos of his guests to be published I'd say Frederik and the owner would have won, had they sued. (*)
It is, again IMO, not "significantly newsworthy for the public" that the Crown Prince is photographed dancing or talking to a woman in a nightclub.

But, if the Crown Prince is photographed in a nightclub with his tongue down the throat of a woman who is not his wife, then we can talk about this being "significantly newsworthy".

(*) I remember the owner was flipping mad! And he makes a living on celebs "being seen" in his nightclubs and he's a celeb himself.