General News about Frederik, Mary and Family 5: December 2009 - July 2010

[Madame Royale]

I too would like to know the source of their information. It would certainly be a most serious crime and without a doubt in my mind, I believe the Crown Princess would be entirely dismayed and repulsed to learn of the allegations. I don't think distancing would be problem, nor would their be a single hesitation in doing so.

I'm sure the most stringent of police checks will henceforth play an essential role for anyone even minutely associated with the DRF in an official working capacity. Infcat, I'm sure they are likely to even already take place in many instances, but sometimes you get someone who falls between the cracks which is very unfortunate. Again, that has nothing to do with the Crown Princess and is in no way her fault.

 

[DesireeR]

I'm a longtime lurker, first time poster. I love, love Mary and her great style. However, I feel compelled to chip in to the debate going on here. Someone said Queen M. reprimanded Mary for associating with this cocaine user/dealer and for bringing the Danish Royal Family's name into ill repute. Another Forum member said: how can we know the private conversations between the Queen and Mary? Well, we need to be aware of the facts here. The Danish Royal Family's own press secretary issued a statement that SAID the Queen had reprimanded Mary for her bad behaviour. So this is not speculation. The press secretary told the media this in a statement! Don't you think it is quite surprising and harsh for the Queen to so publicly berate Mary in this way! Poor Mary, she looked so nervous at the next public event following this embarassing statement by her mother-in-law. It is not speculation. It is fact.

 

[dee4855]

<<remove comment-JessRulz>> We see the tabloids stated as the Queen telling Mary off. An article from the entertainment section. I will always give Mary the benefit of the doubt before I believe any of the garbage being thrown about. It all started with her going out to a goodbye dinner with friends and it has just exploded into child porn. I just know in the years Mary has been in the DRF she has never been anything but the perfect CP. I do not in anyway ever see her doing anything to embarass the Queen or Frederik. I am sure she has distanced herself so far away from all of it. I am also sure Frederik has had some very harsh words for friends and former friends for ever getting Mary into this mess by just going out for dinner. It would be nice if sources were posted. That does not seem to be the case with this one. I guess I am just shocked how people might believe Mary could ever do something like this.

 

[DesireeR]

We see the tabloids stated as the Queen telling Mary off.

Dee, I don't wish to upset you but this is not just a tabloid story. The Danish Royal Family's own press secretary - I believe her name is Lene Ballaby - told the press that Queen Margrethe reprimanded Mary. This is not something that "tabloids" made up.

 

[dee4855]

Dee, I don't wish to upset you but this is not just a tabloid story. The Danish Royal Family's own press secretary - I believe her name is Lene Ballaby - told the press that Queen Margrethe reprimanded Mary. This is not something that "tabloids" made up.

Do you have a source for the Queen and her dressing down of Mary please.

 

[DesireeR]

Dee, here is one of many articles that are all across the papers and television news in Australia: Mary faces mum-in-law fury Today's News - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania

You will see in this article the careful words chosen by Lene (the Danish Royal Family press secretary).

This article also reports on the person from Mary's charity board who has been caught with child pornography. But more than that, when he was caught with the child pornography he held the woman hostage who discovered it. Good grief, the facts in this story keep getting more serious.

How could both of these things happen to Mary in just one week? And while Fred was out of town in Miami? Poor Mary.

I should also add that it is HIGHLY unusal for the press in Tasmania - Mary's home state - to print negative articles about Mary. You can bet that they researched this article thoroughly before publishing it becasue they are loath to say anything negative about their favourite princess. This article was not in the "Entertainment" section - it was very prominently on the front page of the Sunday paper!

 

[Madame Royale]

Dee, I don't wish to upset you but this is not just a tabloid story. The Danish Royal Family's own press secretary - I believe her name is Lene Ballaby - told the press that Queen Margrethe reprimanded Mary. This is not something that "tabloids" made up.

To publically announce that the Queen has reprimanded the Crown Princess (I haven't seen the press release but would be interested to do so) is rediculous. That a respective 38 year old lady is said to have been reprimanded is incredibly embarrassing and at NO point should have any press realease stated that Mary had been subject to any such treatment. Again, I'd very much be interested to see the exact wording of this "press release" of sorts.

All that would have needed to have been said was...

A) The Crown Princess attended a private dinner at which Mrs. Rigmor Zobel was also present.
B) The Crown Princess had been invited at the invitation of the party's hosts, whom the Crown Princess is of a personal association.
C) There are no personal or working affiliations between the Crown Princess and Mrs. Rigmor Zobel.

Generally the royals of course must be aware of who they deal with," royal spokeswoman Lene Balleby briefed reporters.

Where does the above insist the Queen rebuked the Crown Princess?

A "furious" Queen Margrethe issued a stern warning to Mary over the affair, the magazine Se Og Hor reported.

. . .

You can bet that they researched this article thoroughly

You can bet they didn't. It would have been picked up on the "wire" from Europe.

 

[camelot23ca]

There is only one quote in the above article that comes from anyone officially associated with the Danish Royal Family, and it in no way suggests that the Queen is upset with Crown Princess Mary. It is a very general statement saying that of course the DRF need to be careful who they associate with, which is about as non commital and self evident a statement as you can get - it's like saying water is wet. The part about Queen Margrethe being furious comes from an editor at Se og Hor magazine, which hardly has a history of accuracy in its reporting on the royal family.

 

[grevinnan]

Reading the article in the australian Daily Telegraph I strongly get the impression that there is a stronger connection between the child pornograph user and Mary. They know each other better.
Mary will not be the head of state but she is the consort and receives tax-payers money for her maintenance.
People has the right to demand clearness and spotlessness from those receiving tax-payers money

If we are expecting spotless royals they will all have to step down. I doubt even Mother Theresa passed that test.

 

[Katrianna]

Se og Hor is a tabloid magazine and whenever a story from it is brought up, I take it with a large grain of salt. I can only say that perhaps the hosts of the dinner should have used discretion when they made out the guest list. It's quite possible the Princess may have not known Ms. Zobel was attending and it was up to the hosts to inform her. If the Princess was aware of Ms. Zobel attending, she should have used more discretion on her part.
Yes, it was a private party, but was held in a public place and the press had full view of the guests and let's face, the press is always hungry for some sort of dust up. Mary has always been very careful to avoid controversy and this is a major reason for the press furor.
As for the man employed by one of HRH's charities, Mary didn't hire this person, the charity did and it's up to them and law enforcement to deal with this incident, not Mary. An inquiry into the Princess's actions? Oh, please!

 

[Madame Royale]

I'd actually be inclined to be somewhat dissapointed with the hosts, myself. Inviting the Crown Princess and Mrs. Zobel? They can now shoot off to the US and leave the media pot to stew in their wake. Quite poor on their behalf, imo.

And don't get me wrong, Mary is an adult and makes her own decisions, but wouldn't 'a friend' be mindful of the possible consequences involved, and as the host, would want to avoid any ill press for the Crown Princess, and indeed, the DRF? That would be my idea of a friend, anyway...

which is about as non commital and self evident a statement as you can get - it's like saying water is wet

So true, Camelot!

 

[UserDane]

There is only one quote in the above article that comes from anyone officially associated with the Danish Royal Family, and it in no way suggests that the Queen is upset with Crown Princess Mary. It is a very general statement saying that of course the DRF need to be careful who they associate with, which is about as non commital and self evident a statement as you can get - it's like saying water is wet. The part about Queen Margrethe being furious comes from an editor at Se og Hor magazine, which hardly has a history of accuracy in its reporting on the royal family.

I agree camelot. And this is the usual way the tabloids handles a potential juicy story about royals; they press for an official statement but of course only get a general, non-commital answer and this anwer is then used more or less at the media's own discretion.
I have not seen any official press release from the court regarding this dinner. And I wager we will never hear that queen Margrethe have publicly berated any member of her own family. If she did that she herself would undermine the public respect for her family and she would cause a lot of damage internally in her family.

Besides, the queen know from personal experience that having friends who suddenly find themselves the subject of police investigations is a delicate subject for royals. Many years ago, a good friend of the queen and prince Henrik, Jan Bonde Nielsen, was the subject of extensive investigation by the police and the financial squad. There was lots of media coverage about Bonde Nielsen's friendship with the royal family and there were immediate cries that the queen stop any contact. The contact did cease, not least because Bonde Nielsen moved out of the country; but it is a thin line for the royals. If they cut all ties immediately, for example during preliminary investigation, they would undoubtedly face a lot of criticism as well - for not standing by their friends, for actively working against their friends by cutting ties, etc.

 

[georgiea]

Perhaps it was bad judgment on Mary's part to attend a dinner with this Rigmor Zobel -- if in fact Mary knew she'd be there at all -- HOWEVER, I think it is even worse that it get so much media attention. As far as I can tell, CP Mary has never put a foot wrong in public and has represented Denmark beautifully for years now, in every respect. I think she deserves a pass on this one, especially from ill-mannered reporters trying to upstage a a nice event.

I think Crown Princess Mary was brave in attending a dinner with Rigmor Zobel. I read that this person is a friend of her husband who was away when this dinner happen. I don't know all the details about this person and I don't know whether to belief that the Queen told Mary that she was wrong. I do know that the press has blow it out of proportion and I feel sorry for Crown Princess. But on a good note-her husband stood up to the press for her.

 

[heathshire]

It has been a really slow year for Mary's Public Appearances.

 

[UserDane]

Does anyone actually believe that these media has any knowledge whatsoever of what queen Margrethe says behind closed doors?

 

[Al_bina]

I wonder (1)whether or not the story has got any credible proof or (2)there are any photos of Crown Princess Mary and Ms. Rigmor Zboel having a lunch together; and (3) why Crown Princess Mary would associate with the person convicted on drug charges.

 

[royals-royce]

I wonder (1)whether or not the story has got any credible proof or (2)there are any photos of Crown Princess Mary and Ms. Rigmor Zboel having a lunch together; and (3) why Crown Princess Mary would associate with the person convicted on drug charges.

Unfortunately there are.

There is a particular internet source that reports CP Mary recently had dinner with this individual. It seems pretty legit because the report has several pictures of them eating dinner together with some other unidentified person.

 

[Al_bina]

Thanks for the information!
Well ... I find Crown Princess Mary's recent action perplexing. She better than anyone else knows how ubiquitous the mass media is.

 

[Emmily]

Unfortunately there are.

There is a particular internet source that reports CP Mary recently had dinner with this individual. It seems pretty legit because the report has several pictures of them eating dinner together with some other unidentified person.

They were in a large group, and the picture that was shown in the papers appears to have "pasted" their photos to show them sitting closer than they actually were. I'm not saying Mary wasn't there. She was. But I believe the papers are making this out to be something that it wasn't. It wasn't just Mary having dinner with this woman.

 

[JessRulz]

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[wombat]

It has been a really slow year for Mary's Public Appearances.

Yes, I always wonder what she is actually doing in the 2 weeks there is no public apperance...does not exactly make for a "hard working royal"?

 

[Ccile]

The fact that she has no public events does not mean she doesn't work!

 

[crisscross1]

Yes, I always wonder what she is actually doing in the 2 weeks there is no public apperance...does not exactly make for a "hard working royal"?

Perhaps she is at home being a really good mum....you know the one's who stay at home...cook for their children, take their children to school, watch children's tv, take their children for walks, play with their children...... that's an interesting concept.

 

[Madame Royale]

Yes, I always wonder what she is actually doing in the 2 weeks there is no public apperance...does not exactly make for a "hard working royal"?

So by that ideology, only when Mary's in public is she actually working?

I don't think so...

Patroness to 24 or so patronages, as well as meetings within not only the Crown Princely court, but also Her Majesty's court; and not forgetting the various officials and representatives that come calling.

 

[wombat]

So by that ideology, only when Mary's in public is she actually working?

I don't think so...

Patroness to 24 or so patronages, as well as meetings within not only the Crown Princely court, but also Her Majesty's court; and not forgetting the various officials and representatives that come calling.

Where is the actual evidence that all this 'behind the scene' work takes place? I know I've seen it mentioned before, but don't actually know where the source of this knowledge stems from...

 

[UserDane]

I don't think any royals today, Danish or other nationalities, undertake engagements without doing their homework thoroughly beforehand. Right now, you can see a Danish series that takes places behind the scenes - of the logistics and preliminary work leading up to all sorts of royal engagements.
It really is not that hard to imagine that this is the case. I'm more surprised that you would think that it does not take place??

 

[Madame Royale]

Where is the actual evidence that all this 'behind the scene' work takes place? I know I've seen it mentioned before, but don't actually know where the source of this knowledge stems from...

In part, it's common sense.

To believe that only when Mary is seen is Mary actually working seems an entirely misinformed judgement. The current documentary about the Danish royals itself has shown Mary attending various meetings with the Queen and heir apparent in the company of various council. But a moment in time caught in the official life of the Crown Princess.

It is an entirely logical expectation that behind palatial doors, Mary undertakes further responsibilities than just those that are seen when she steps into a public forum. To think otherwise, cannot be anything other than naive. Though that's my opinion and I speak only for myself.

 

[bertie5252003]

wombat why don't you write and ask when in doubt about anything that is what I do and if you find out let us know am not being clever and it is an honest suggestion.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Where is the actual evidence that all this 'behind the scene' work takes place? I know I've seen it mentioned before, but don't actually know where the source of this knowledge stems from...

Like Madame Royale said.

It's common sense to think that Mary is working when she hasn't got engagements.
Planning other events, looking after her children, planning possible foreign tours. In the new documentary about the DRF you see her working. She doesn't just turn up at places and say "Hi. I'm here, lets do something". Events have to be planned.

You don't see her out shopping in this time off do you? You don't see her out partying every night?

 

[ashelen]

the best part that i like about her doing is behind the scene, it is planning what clothes she will use for this event or the other, shoes, jewellery , tiara etc.....of course she works behind the scene, all take a lot of preperation in her life and eventhoguht she has a lot of help she probably like to do some things for herself! and she probably hsa to take time to memorize speeches, etc,etc........