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Old 08-27-2005, 05:16 PM
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yeah, and I think you're right, paloma, I work in HR too and job hopping is not looked on too favorably.

I don't think Fred and Mary would do well in a highly competitive business world which makes them very similar to a lot of Rockefellers, Vanderbilts etc. who inherited their wealth and position.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:17 PM
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Yes, there is work done behind the scenes, but if Mary was doing her work behind the scenes, she would not just follow a museum director around and say "Ja ,Ja, Ja" and not be able to really converse with the staff. Then she leaves and goes back to the palace.(it is on video) Yes, that is hard work that I would take any day.
I think Mary's museum visit must have lasted longer than the 2 minutes of the Video. I also heard Mary speaking Danish.

Is it fair to criticise Mary's hard work simply based on the 2 minutes video since the video couldn't possibly be of the whole Mary's museum visit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:22 PM
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As for Mary, I don't buy the fact that she did not know that Fred was a prince. I think that she had every intention of marrying well, as I don't think that WORK is a strong suit of hers. Her resume is rather thin for someone her age. Her social climbing is just way to obvious to me. Mette-Marit is not educated and does not have a strong work history, but she never took a deportment class and never acted or pretended to be something she was not. JMO. I think that Mary had no direction and Fred provided an out to real world responsibilities: rent, long term job etc. Yes, she has to work now by going to engagements and cutting ribbons etc. but with all of the princess perks, she does not mind!:)
I was wondering what do you mean she has "every intention of marrying well" ? I just want you to clarify that so that I dont jump to conclusion to what you mean. Also don't we all want to marry well? I dont think anyone here can honestly say dont... but hey I can be wrong..... and also, why do you think she has no direction in life? (ps if you dont want to answer this, it is fine) :)
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:27 PM
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Yes, her visit lasted more than two minutes and your opinion is different than mine and still respected and appreciated here!:)
Many of us don't take this stuff to seriously. It is an escape from the mundane issues and tasks that we have to face on a daily basis.

I think that there are many people who would take Mary more seriously if she were not what seems to be fashion and publicity obssessed. They have marketed her to be a model instead of a hard working wife of a crown prince. She is seen as fluff by many. They think that the publicity is good for marketing the Danish monarchy. However, beware, because with good pr comes bad pr and it does come at sometime.

I like Letizia and Maxima, but Mathilde of Belgium is everything that a crown princess should be....educated, dutiful and most of all, DISCREET!
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:28 PM
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"Obviously we do not agree, but I'm not going to argue. You obviously love Mary and can't find fault at all. A mature individual can criticize those that they even admire as everyone has good and bad traits."

Paloma:
Thank you for your answer.
That's Ok, I don't want to argue either! I like Mary, but of course I see her faults, she's not perfect, no one is- she's a very normal woman with a very special role.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:34 PM
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Mary is not discreet??
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:38 PM
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I don't believe that she didn't know he was a prince either but I don't hold it against her for wanting to marry well. If she had been a prince-hunter, she would have hardly stayed in Australia. For her social climbing to be obvious to me, she would have had to have done some social climbing in Australia before she met the CP and I haven't heard of anything.

She may have lacked direction before she met Fred but it looks like he lacked some direction too. Not all women are cut out to be high powered career woman and I think someone like that would have scared Fred away anyway.

In that case, if someone lacks direction and marriage can give them a direction and sense of purpose I'm all for it. If he happens to be a crown prince and they can make the marriage work, so much the better.

In fact I'm better impressed that Mary has tried to take a deportment class and learned the ropes of the job. Although here the membership is very supportive of Mette-Marit and Haakon (and I definitely like Haakon) there are so many reports in Norway that the monarchy won't outlast Harald because of his children's choices of spouses. I'm glad Mary is taking the job seriously.
Just a small point - she only ever said that she didn't know he was a prince within 30 minutes of meeting him... and then after half an hour, she did know because one of her friends told her. So the "not knowing he wa a prince" should only be applied to this first 30 minutes. You will also note that Beatrice Tarnawski (the so called friend who, I must admit, was the reason for Fred meeting Mary) didn't even know when she met the royals that evening that they were royals, let alone the acquaintances who decided to come along at the last minute (Mary's flat mate is was a friend of Beatrice's).

And seriously, who could you blame Mary for not knowing he was a prince in the first 30 minutes? Everything was just so exciting and there was this palpable buzz during the Sydney Olypmics - you had no idea if the person in front of you was an athlete, a diplomat etc.

Again about Mary not wanting to work - apart from the time she spent overseas, she has always worked since her graduation. Perhaps people are against her changing jobs (and this is not the same as not having a work ethic, because as I've said before, she has always worked), but she has always said that she was a bit restless after her mother's death. Who could blame her? She went back to work too quickly after her mother's death, realised she just couldn't let her dreams pass her by, and went backpacking. I think though that she was still a bit restless (but note, there was never a time when she was not working), and then Fred came along... :)
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:56 PM
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And seriously, who could you blame Mary for not knowing he was a prince in the first 30 minutes?
No I don't blame her - I think its a non issue. Same with the jobhopping. In certain cases it looks bad but I don't think its relevant in Mary's case because she and Fred seem well suited and she's trying hard.
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Old 08-27-2005, 06:07 PM
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I never said that Mary was not discreet. I was referring to HRH Mathilde of Belgium.
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:49 PM
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A few more photos from this event from newscom:

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Today Crown Princess Mary attended the special school, the Geelsgård school's, 50th jubilee celebrations. Pictures from Polfoto.
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Old 08-27-2005, 11:10 PM
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Mary works a lot...where is Frederik?
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Old 08-28-2005, 12:38 AM
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I don't agree . It is not because you're reserved that you look necessarily not nice . Princess Letizia is the perfect example for that : she looks as reserved as Mary BUT, to me, she DOES look nice and has some kindness in her face's expressions . Whereas Mary does not have this kindness . But, again, it's only MY impressions .:)

I wasn't saying that her looking reserved means that you look necessarily not nice. If we are going by facial expressions then, they too can be misleading. As a poster pointed out, people can look one way, but can feel another way. Just because someone looks a certain way does not determine their character, or necessarily reflect the way they may be feeling. I can't think of how many times some people at some point not approached me because they looked at me, and assumed that I was mean, or angry when in fact, most of the time, it was the opposite. Just because I don't smile alot, people automatically assumed the worst. Appearances, as we know, can be deceiving. Impressions can be wrong. So, if we are going by photos, not necessarily knowing her personally, I'm going to stick with what I believe...that is Mary just as any other CP is as nice and warm as she can possibly be. However, I respect your opinion, but I tend to disagree.:)
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Old 08-28-2005, 12:42 AM
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Mary hasn't done anything bad has she? To make a few people think she is cold and doesnt love her husband, she must have done something really out there. Or maybe its just people who wish it was them instead of Mary. :)

I would love to see some of Mary's critics take over her position for a while and see how they do it, and see how they would deal with people determining who they are based on their photos. And also, if they think they know how its done, go and show her how to do it. I wonder what they will say then?

I dont mean to be rude but im sick of people talking about people who they dont even know and saying they should be like this or like that, when they have never even been in her position! How can people tell her shes doing it wrong etc when they dont know what its like to be in her postion.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but surely there is a limit. For example, if i dont like Letizia (which whom i do actually like) i wont go to her message board and write about her faults. Its just basic respect
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:07 AM
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I think Mary's museum visit must have lasted longer than the 2 minutes of the Video. I also heard Mary speaking Danish.

Is it fair to criticise Mary's hard work simply based on the 2 minutes video since the video couldn't possibly be of the whole Mary's museum visit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Would it be more fair to praise her with the same infos?

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No kidding, mature individuals should be able to have a discussion where both sides are respected. Everything we say is an opinion and nothing more. Most of us will never meet royals and it is not as if they care what we really think anyway.
Have a good day everyone!:)
Tut tut tut... this is apparently the «my way or the highway» tread. Well not «my way» because I did the forbidden thing and sinfully explained why some might not see this crown princess as the very best thing to happen to earth since sliced bread. I should probably write that I regret from the bottom of my heart having writing that comment.

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Mary hasn't done anything bad has she? To make a few people think she is cold and doesnt love her husband, she must have done something really out there. Or maybe its just people who wish it was them instead of Mary. :)
No, I never wished it was me instead of Mary. My answer might differ if Sarah remarries Andrew though...

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I know everyone is entitled to their opinion, but surely there is a limit. For example, if i dont like Letizia (which whom i do actually like) i wont go to her message board and write about her faults. Its just basic respect
From where I'm from, basic respect includes hearing or reading an opinion different than mine without fuming or arguing 'til death.
This last outburst started when someone innocently answered a direct question demanding whether or not people who didn't like the crown princess in the beginning of her relationship had now changed their mind and why. They were viciously attacked by some fans. Basic respect wouldn't include vicious attack, at least where I'm from.

Are we gonna have fun or not the next time she shows up at a fashion show HI HA!
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Old 08-28-2005, 02:28 AM
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Everybody take a deep breath and cool off. Remember that sarcasm will never help to solve a problem, but it will usually provoke arguments. All members are welcome to join in this discussion. Please act civilly with one another and respect each other's opions even if you don't agree with them.

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Old 08-28-2005, 01:41 PM
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Mary hasn't done anything bad has she? To make a few people think she is cold and doesnt love her husband, she must have done something really out there. Or maybe its just people who wish it was them instead of Mary. :)
This is the CHEAPEST and OLDEST retallatory comment in the book!!!
Just because some people are CRITCAL of Mary or other princesses DOES NOT mean that they are JEALOUS of her!!!
Who says that everyone who dislikes Mary is because they think her husband is good looking or envy her lifestyle???
What if people are perfectly happy with their own lives but see a public person who is not living up to their own expectations of royalty???

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Tut tut tut... this is apparently the «my way or the highway» tread. Well not «my way» because I did the forbidden thing and sinfully explained why some might not see this crown princess as the very best thing to happen to earth since sliced bread. I should probably write that I regret from the bottom of my heart having writing that comment.
AMEN!!!
Not everybody thinks Mary is the best thing to happen since sliced bread or that the sun, moon, and stars revolves around gorgeous, perfect, dedicated and fashionable Mary.
Having respect goes BOTH ways.
Everybody who expresses a negative opinon is being told to not post here or to prove why they dislike Mary.
But those who gush and fawn over Mary can have reign over this thread and can say anything and everything they want.
How is that FAIR or RESPECTFUL???
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Old 08-28-2005, 01:44 PM
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Fred was and is surely very in love with Mary . So, when you're in love, you're often blind ...:)
Maybe. But Frederik has family, friends and the Danish government to be his more objective voice of reason. If he were blind, would the rest of these people and the rest of the country be as well?

we've all seen cases where a person married into a royal family and their character turned out to be different than originally portrayed in the media (for both better, and for worse). I think that also happens in a number of marriages amoungst us "common folk". That's the nature of humanity- until one has the chance to actually GET TO KNOW another person intimately, we don't know anything for certain.

I'm just willing to put my faith in Frederik's ability to judge character, and his ability to plot a path for his own long-term happiness. Since he knows Mary a whole lot better than I do, I'm willing to put faith in his judgement.

I feel that way about all the royal princes who have married over the past 5 years.... I might not warm to all the characteristics of these new wives, but until I need to interact with these women myself, I don't see a reason to waste my own positive energy by disliking them.

I can't imagine going into a new marriage where I not only had to impress and get to know my husband's family, but his entire country (and sometimes, the rest of the world) as well. It's no wonder that Diana developed an obsession about the media, Masako developed adjustment disorders etc. etc. etc.

Go ahead- continue to dislike Mary. That's completely your choice to do so. For now, I won't do the same!

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Old 08-28-2005, 01:55 PM
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Well, I gather certain people have seen fit to ignore Mandy's request to calm down and are intent on continuing to fight.

Please note that this is a News and Picture thread, not a thread to hash out yet another set of disagreements about Mary. Since the thread is not at present being used for its stated purpose and is nearly at ten pages, I think it's time to close it and to start afresh with Part 14.

Any posts that use the new thread to continue this feud will be deleted. If people want to argue whether Mary is a money-grubbing dilettante or a woman in love with her husband can start their own thread. And they'd better stay within the forum rules when they do so.

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Old 08-28-2005, 02:08 PM
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Just wanted to say that I can't believe how well pregnancy seems to be suiting Mary. She may throw on sweatpants and eat half a gallon of ice cream privately, but she looks picture perfect when she's in public!

Not planning on having children for a while but when I do, I hope I look half as rosey and healthy!
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Old 08-29-2005, 05:09 AM
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Denmark's Princess Mary has once again demonstrated just how good maternity wear can look. The mum-to-be, who is expecting her first child in just over two months, was glowing with health when she paid a visit to a museum in her adoptive homeland this week.

http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty.../princessmary/
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