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Old 12-09-2002, 04:52 PM
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Hello Lorissa!

I do not think that Arnold will be sad...He married a Kennedy, not a so vain girl as Mary...

Well, if Prince Frederiks get married I hope not see after everything a divorce... Princess Diane got married "blind" but Prince Frederiks will not be able to say that in the future since he knows Mary's past very well...

Can you point just one real thing important to life that Mary Donaldson has done for her or any other person?....Ah...ok...she did many shops...real? Yes. Important?

"Have fun! and take care...".

Old 12-09-2002, 05:05 PM
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I am late on this bandwagon as well...but I agree with much of what you you offered Mary. Now if only the girl would learn? :(

1. INDEPENDENCE!!! Having a life and passions of one's own is infinitely more attractive to men (I have found) than a woman who is constantly latchng onto your life. (Think about how attractive a man would be to you who constantly clung to you and your interests with few of his own--might be flattering for about a day--then annoying!)

2. BE YOURSELF!!! Nuff said on this topic here and in previous posts. (no smirking, looking for the camera etc..)

3. PRIORITIES!! Never ever put a man in front of friends or family! Who do you turn to when the boy sends you packin'?

4. MAKE YOURSELF HAPPY FIRST!! Don't say you are sporty and LOVE horses when you have never shown interest in either in your past. Down the road when you have your man and have to continue to go skiing when you HATE it. Not a recipe for a lifetime of happiness.

That's mine in a nutshell!


Kelly B and Robb, you guys are the very best!!!!! :P

Great advice and words for all wanna bees to live by.

Old 12-10-2002, 06:57 AM
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Hola Chris,

How are you? I agree with you about Mary, well said as usual. I wish sometimes that she could displayed a more "respectable" image and now giving all Australian women a bad name. When I do make my way to Denmark, I hope that many angry Danes won't throw bananas, apples, tomatoes and anything they can get their hands on at me and call me a free- rider. I regret terribly getting a Australian citizenship. :( :x

Chris, I agree - Arnold was lucky enough to get a Kenneday, so why do you want a Donaldson?

I wish you a nice day! :)

Hugs to you.

Old 12-10-2002, 10:49 AM
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You guys are too funny!
Lorissa..-you should be very proud to be an Aussie!! I can't wait to go there someday. Everyone I know who has been there raves about what an amazing and beautiful country it is!
There are PLENTY of Americans I can think of that are totally embarassing--but I wouldn't give up my US citizenship because of a few freakish apples in the tree.

for Mary, Patrick Kennedy--a Representative from Rhode Island and son of Senator Ted Kennedy. He has money, the name and is the Kennedy of the next generation who is looking to make a splash in DC.

Old 02-20-2003, 12:48 PM
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On the Dutch royal board, one of the posters made mention of an interview Prince Frederik did about how his mother wasn't good w/ small children and didn't seem flattering to his father either. However, when you see pictures of him with his parents, it looks like they get along quite well. Did the poster exaggerate the problems, or were they more or less resolved?
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Old 02-20-2003, 06:08 PM
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Hi! I have never read that interview, but I can imagine that perhaps Queen Margrethe isn't the cuddliest woman on the planet. She seems really remarkable but not very maternal. Perhaps she is better with her grandsons.
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I read something similar about Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. One of her sons (Prince Willem, I think) said that because of his mother's duties, she couldn't' spend very much time with them and when she did, she was a bit stiff/formal with him and his brothers.
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I think that unfortunately happens in many royal families and those of the elite as well. The parents are often away and travel a lot, so it is hard for them to form any really close bonds as most of us have with our parents. In some instances the children and parents are like strangers to one another. It seems that things were definitely the same way the Brits. I remember everyone making a huge issue out of Diana's breaking with "protocol" and hugging and cuddling with her sons in public. I don't think that it was breaking with protocol at all. She was simply different IMO.
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Old 06-26-2003, 12:31 PM
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Hi! Does anyone know how tall the Crown Prince is? Is it just me or is he shorter than his younger brother Joachim?
Old 09-24-2003, 04:09 AM
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HM The Queen intends to give her consent to the marriageThe Lord Chamberlain's Office announces that Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark intends to give her consent to the marriage between His Royal Highness the Crown Prince of Denmark and Miss Mary Elizabeth Donaldson in the Council of State to be held on Wednesday, 8 October 2003, at Amalienborg Palace, Copenhagen.

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Old 09-24-2003, 04:43 AM
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so its a done deal then?
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There is not much news is those two articles in Aftonbladet and Expressem. It´s the same; where they met, that Mary is from Tasmania, how well she has coped with all the media attention. That the date for the wedding is not yet set but that there will be a press conference on 8 octobre at 3.30 PM. There is also a woman who as written a book about Royal weddings and she thinks that the Holmen Church in Copenhagen is the likely church for the ceremony since Queen Margrethe and PS Henric was wed there.
Old 09-24-2003, 08:53 AM
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Mary father and stepmother will come to Copenhagen for the engagement

Frederik and Mary will not live togather before the wedding they will the move to the late queen Ingrids apartments at Kancellihuset, Fredensborg Slot

The Queen of Denmark intends to give her consent for her son Crown Prince Frederik, 35, to marry his Australian girlfriend Mary Donaldson. A statement from the Danish Lord Chamberlain's Office confirmed the news this week, with the official announcement due to be made on October 8.

Thirty-one-year-old Mary, who met her future husband when he was competing as a yachtsman in the 2000 Sydney Olympics, moved to Denmark last year and already seems to have found favour with the Danish people. An opinion poll in Denmark's largest daily newspaper found that three-quarters of those polled thought the Hobart-raised Mary would make a good queen.

Speculation that an official announcement was in the offing has grown in recent months after Queen Margrethe II commented publicly on her son's relationship with the Tasmanian lawyer, saying she was sure she would have a very nice daughter-in-law.

Mary, whose parents were born in Scotland, apparently speaks perfect Danish. She will not be the first foreigner to marry into the Danish royal family. Frederik's brother Joachim is married to Alexandra, who is of Hong Kong Chinese-European blood, while Queen Margarethe's husband Henri was French.

Danish prince to wed commoner

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) -- Crown Prince Frederik will formally announce his engagement to Australian commoner Mary Donaldson on October 8, a spokesman for the royal palace told The Associated Press Wednesday.

Ove Ullerup, the royal family's lord chamberlain, said the formal announcement will be made after Queen Margrethe holds her monthly meeting with the government during which she will say that her son has her blessing to marry Donaldson.

Under Denmark's constitution, the government has to approve the engagement, but that is considered a formality.

Margrethe informed the government "a couple of weeks ago," said Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who in turn informed party leaders on Tuesday evening that the government would give its blessing to the engagement. A smiling prime minister told reporters that all party leaders had approved the government's decision.

"The crown prince has made a good choice," Fogh Rasmussen said.

Frederik and Donaldson, 31, met at the Sydney Olympics in 2000, and their engagement has been expected to be announced for the past two years.

If they do marry, it would mark the first time an Australian would enter a European royal house. Donaldson would also be in line to become Denmark's queen. The couple will appear together at their first news conference on Oct. 8, the palace said.

Donaldson would not be the first commoner to become part of the royal family.

In 1995, Frederik's brother, Prince Joachim, married British commoner Alexandra Christina Manley of Hong Kong, now Princess Alexandra.

Queen Margrethe herself married a French diplomat in 1967, Count Henri la Laborde de Monpezat, who later became Prince Henrik of Denmark. The queen's approval for the engagement made top news in this Scandinavian country of 5.3 million, with both national television stations airing extra news broadcasts throughout the morning.

On Wednesday morning, the crown prince's Web page was updated with photos and a biography of Donaldson.

The 63-year-old Margrethe repeatedly has said that she has no plans to step down to let her 35-year-old son assume the throne of Europe's oldest ruling monarchy.

The Crown Prince's romance was kept secret until a Danish celebrity magazine in late 2001 reported that Frederik was dating a brunette from Tasmania who worked in a real estate agency in Sydney.

Media that purport to keep track of royal affairs have since called Donaldson "the perfect princess" and described her as "sweet and good looking." They repeatedly have underlined her elegant and fashionable dresses, and the fact that Donaldson has a law degree.

"She simply has what it takes to be a queen in the Danish monarchy," the B.T. daily wrote in January 2002.

In recent months, Frederik and Donaldson have often appeared in public together but only at private events because she cannot accompany the prince to official events.

After Christmas 2002, one magazine reported that Donaldson was Frederik's first girlfriend ever to celebrate the holiday with the royal family. Earlier that month, her father, John Donaldson and her stepmother, Susan Moody, visited Copenhagen's downtown Amalienborg Palace where the royal family lives.

While taking part in a yacht regatta in Donaldson's hometown of Hobart in January 2003, Frederik described her for the first time as his girlfriend and on Jan. 20 newspapers published photos of the pair kissing.

Donaldson has been living in Denmark since early 2002 and works as a project consultant for the Danish subsidiary of Microsoft Corp. She resigned from the company after the announcement, said Microsoft spokeswoman Anne Bove-Nielsen.

In December 2002, the handsome and popular prince was voted Dane of the year for the fifth time by the readers of the newspaper Berlingske Tidende.

Frederik Andre Henrik Christian is Margrethe and Prince Henrik's first son. He spent two semesters studying international relations and government at Harvard University in 1992-1993. He graduated from a Danish university with a master's degree in political science.

Since then, Frederik has briefly worked at Denmark's U.N. mission in New York and the Danish Embassy in Paris.

A major in the army and the air force, and a commander in the navy, he is also a member of the Frogman Corps, an elite Danish navy unit.

Donaldson has two sisters and a brother. Her mother, Henrietta Donaldson, died when Mary was a baby, and her father later married Moody, a British novelist.

John Donaldson is a professor of mathematics who is currently lecturing at Oxford University in Britain.
Old 09-24-2003, 09:55 AM
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Hooray, that´s great news! I always was for crown princess and Queen Mary, she is just perfect for the Job! When, do you think, will they marry (I would say May)?
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Originally posted by Josefine@Sep 24th, 2003 - 8:10 am

Donaldson has two sisters and a brother. Her mother, Henrietta Donaldson, died when Mary was a baby, and her father later married Moody, a British novelist.

I thought that Mary's mother died in 1997...? :o She was hardly a baby at 25..

Seems that in order to get yourself a crown prince, you have to go and work at the olympics!! :P Wasn't that where Silvia and Carl Gustav of Sweden met as well?
Old 09-24-2003, 10:03 AM
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Do you think she will be called Mary, How does one pronounce Mary in Danish
cnn should check their sources
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I am so happy for them. They make such a good pair. I know in the start Mary has to learn a lot of things being a new member in the Royal Family but I know she would learn along the way..
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Old 09-24-2003, 11:06 AM
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here's what it says on

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Mary Elizabeth Donaldson

5 February, 1972. Hobart, Tasmanian, Australia.

John Dalgleish Donaldson born 5 September, 1941 (Professor of Applied Mathematics) and Henrietta Clark Donaldson born 12 May, 1942 (Executive Assistant to the Vice Chancellor of The University of Tasmania).

Married in Edinburgh, Scotland 31 August, 1963.

Emigrated to Australia from Edinburgh, Scotland in November 1963 and became Australian Citizens in 1975.

Jane Alison Stephens born 26 December 1965.
Patricia Anne Woods born 16 March 1968.
John Stuart Donaldson born 9 July 1970.

Henrietta Clark Donaldson died 20 November 1997

Father Re-married:
5 September, 2001 to Susan Elizabeth Moody (Author).


1974 - 1975
Houston, Texas. Began earliest schooling at Clear Lake City Elementary School.

Hobart, Tasmania

1975 - 1977
Sandy Bay Infants School

1978 - 1982
Waimea Heights Primary School
Highlights: Represented school in Youth Orchestra.

1983 - 1986
Taroona High School
Highlights: Prefect, Captain of Schools Hockey Team, Swimming Team, One-Day Eventing Team (horse riding).

1987 - 1988
Hobart Matriculation College
Highlights: State Premiers, Hockey, One Day Eventing Team, Southern State Basketball Team.

1989 - 1993
University of Tasmania. Graduated 1994 with Bachelors of Commerce and Law (BCom.LLB).
Highlights: Finalist in University Mooting (Mock Trial) 1993.

1994 – 1996
Certificate in Advertising from the Australian School of Advertising.
Certificate in Direct Marketing from the Australian Direct Marketing Association.


DDB Needham – Melbourne, Australia
After completion of University moved to Melbourne to take a graduate position with the worldwide advertising agency Promoted to Account Executive within client management.

MOJO Partners – Melbourne, Australia
Role: Account Manager

Travelled across Europe and America.

Rapp Collins Worldwide – Edinburgh, Scotland
Role: Account Manger (3 month contract)

Young and Rubicam – Sydney, Australia
Role: Account Director

Love Branding – Sydney, Australia
Role: Brand Team Leader – responsible for managing the seamless teamwork of four communication disciplines: Brand Strategy, Public Relations, Online, and Advertising.

Belle Property (specialist in premium development and residential properties – Sydney, Australia
Role: Sales Director and member of Management Team.

Transfer (Business English School) – Paris, France
Role: English teacher (primary focus on business English).

Microsoft Business Solutions - Denmark
Role: Project Consultant – business development, communications and marketing.

John D Donaldson

Edinburgh, Scotland, September 5 1941.

Edinburgh, August 31 1963 to Henrietta Clark Horne.

Australia, November 1963 - Australian Citizen 1975.

Jane Alison, Patricia Anne, John Stuart, Mary Elizabeth.

Henrietta Clark died November 20 1997.

Oxford, September 5 2001 to Susan Elizabeth Moody.

Education and Positions Held:

Schooling: Scotland
Highlights: School Captain, Athletics Champion, Rugby and Cricket Captain.
Successful completion of Scottish HSC.

B.Sc. Honours, University of Edinburgh

Commonwealth Post-Graduate Scholar

Ph.D. University of Tasmania, Australia
Title of Thesis: Errors in the Numerical Integration of Analytic Functions'

Tenured Academic at the University of Tasmania

Lecturer, University of Tasmania

Bourse Post-Doctorat, University of Montreal, Canada

Senior Lecturer, University of Tasmania

Visiting Professor, University of Houston, Texas USA

Senior Fellow, National Science Foundation of USA at the Johnston Space Centre, Houston Texas

Deputy Dean, Faculty of Science

Dean, Faculty of Science

Consultant /Project Manager, TERSS Project, CSIRO, 8 months. (Tasmanian Earth Resources Satellite Station)

Head of Department of Mathematics, Univ. of Tasmania

1990 -1996
Dean, Faculty of Science and Technology, Univ. of Tasmania

1996 -2001
Chair of Degree Board of the Faculty of Science and Engineering, Univ. of Tasmania.

1998 -2001
Head of School of Mathematics and Physics, Univ. of Tasmania.

2001 -2002
Visiting Professor, OCIAM, University of Oxford.

Retired from position at University of Tasmania.

2001- present
Professor, Division of Applied Mathematics, KAIST, S Korea.
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Are there anything new there, that we did not know?
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