Crown Prince Frederik and Mary Donaldson, Current Events 1: September 2002 - May 2004

[Julia]

According to www.billedbladetnet.dk, Frederik met with Mary's father while he was visiting in Denmark. Anyone have any speculations as to what Fred and "Dad' chatted about?

-Julia

Here's the article in Danish w/ a pic of Fred :)

Frederik alene med Marys far: Møde under fire øjne - nr. 51


Båndene mellem kronprins Frederik og hans kommende svigerfar bliver stærkere og stærkere, efterhånden som de to mænd lærer hinanden bedre at kende.
Mens kronprinsen i begyndelsen udelukkende mødtes med John Donaldson i selskab med Mary, har Frederik nu holdt mindst ét fortroligt møde med sin kommende svigerfar uden Marys tilstedeværelse. Et møde under fire øjne.
Mødet fandt sted i sidste øjeblik, inden Donaldson igen rejste hjem til Oxford, England, og det varede i mere end en time. Tilsyneladende havde både Frederik og John Donaldson behov for en god, fortrolig snak om fremtiden.



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[samitude]

I think they will get married either this year or next year.

I think that Mary is more decent than most message board posters say she is. The only real facts that we know about her are the following:

• She's from Australia
• She's dating Frederik.
• She works for Navision.
• Her dad is a university professor and her step mom is a mystery writer.
• She has a couple of sisters.
• She lives in Denmark.
• Mary was the friend of Beatrice's roomate.
• She likes to run and exercise.
• Her middle name is Elisabeth.
• She took an improvement/modeling course.

These are the only hardcore facts that we know about Mary. We do not know what she is like at all! I have only picked up a tabloid twice in my life and even then I know they are so silly that I cannot even fathom believing what they say. Most of the stories that we hear about her are from tabloids. We cannot prove that everything that Beatrice said was written down correctly.

Beatrice is another matter also. From the beginning I think that everyone is forgetting that Mary was a friend of Beatrice's roomate, Andrew. I don't know how close Mary and Beatrice were. If Mary and Beatrice were close friends I don't think Beatrice would be telling her story to a tabloid.

Another thing I would like to ask is why does everyone think that Mary is on the hunt for a prince? I honestly don't think that she knew that they were going to be there. Even if she did, tell me, how many of you wouldn't enjoy the chance of meeting one prince let alone two crown princes, two princes and a prince's cousin? I don't think I would have gone to a club because I don't do that kind of thing, but any other time I would have loved to meet any of these people as I'm sure you all would also.

Frankly, I feel sorry for Mary. All she does is move to Denmark and date Frederik and the female population of the world is on her like a cat seeing a mouse. We need to stick to the facts that we know and not make up things that aren't true.

I realise that everyone who reads and posts on these boards don't fall into this category, but this subject really disturbs me. It bothers me when posters make up hurtful things to say about people. It's one thing when there are facts to go on and people discuss it. For example Princess Diana having that affair with James Hewitt. We know that that was true because she said so on TV.

Julia, I'm not implying by posting this under your post that you are saying these things.:)

[samitude]

I also would like to add that this story about how she talked to a reporter in Danish is probably fiction. How do we know that's even true? Even if she did talk to him she may have not known he was a reporter. She may have just been trying to be friendly with the person sitting next to her.

I would like people's input on this matter, but please don't be insulted by my post or leave the board because of it. B) We need all of our posters and watchers. I guess that's the right term. What do you call the people who just read the posts, but don't want to post?

[Jacqueline]

Well, I am certainly not going to take back anything that I have said about Mary. I am entitled to my opinion and I am always going to have it and make it clear when necessary and appropriate.

I am sick and tired of people telling other people not to believe what they read and not to belive tabloids. It is really insulting. I have been around these boards for a while now and I think that it is extremely insulting to posters to say to them that they are getting all of their information from tabloids. Please! It's obvious that most of us take what we hear with a grain of salt. So, why is it necessary to constantly say to us that we are believing tabloids? It's the same as saying that we are idiots.

Yes, there are many facts about Mary. I personally believe that many of the things that are said about her are true. Beatrice is not the only person who hinted that Mary likes successful men. Her former co-workers were said to have said the same thing and I doubt that they had to be coaxed into saying it. Do you know why they said this? Because, normally individuals use the most prevalent and common thing that they remember about an individual to describe that individuals' character. They didn't say anything wrong. They were simply saying the thing that they remember most about Mary.

As far as reading what the paper, magazines, and tabloids say, well I do read them, but my opinions of Mary are based on her actions. I studied psychology for a long time and I don't need to read any tabloids to tell me what Mary is truly about. All I need are a few pictures of her and I can let her actions speak for her. Her photographs aren't genuine to be kind about it. She is too eager and tries far too hard. She is not merely someone who is aware of the camera, but she is someone who is searching for them. She is not really trying to live a quiet life. Yes, she has been very good at not speaking to members of the press, but she is always out and about smirking stupidly for the camera. She is really embarassing.

Of course, she is out to get a prince. "Prince-hunt"-I couldn't have said it better myself. If we had doubts about what Beatrice said in her interview, then we needn't have them now. Mary's actions give her motives away clearly. She took a twenty-four hour modeling/etiquette course just a few weeks after meeting Fred. To any intelligent human being that would say a lot. Some people think that Mary is a saint for taking the course in order to prepare for her future role as CP/Queen. I think she flatters herself and is quite pathetic. It is really sad that this young woman would only see fit to take a course like this after meeting the CP of Denmark and wanting to be in his company. I don't buy that whole "life is passing me by" routine that she put on for Ms. Page. Let's be direct here: Mary didn't want Fred to pass her by and she needed help. I have no respect for a young woman who has lived the way in which she has with a modicum of manners and poise and yet only saw fit to change these things about herself when an available man came along. She is completely transparent. She is also an embarassement, because I think that it was in very bad taste for her to take such a course in a place that thrives on publicity. She took this horrid course and then it was made public to the world. If she had any sense or class at all she would have rented or bought a few videos and read a few books in order to try and perfect her image. Instead she did it in a completely public way while spending nearly $2000.

I don't care if she has moved across the world to be with Fred or near him. That is not an honorable nor sensible thing IMO. That is perhaps the most stupid thing that she has yet to do. I think that it is insane for anyone to move thousands of miles away to be with a man or woman when no promises have been made (engagement/marriage). It reaks of stupidity and dependency upon someone who may not even want to be with you in another year or so. She didn't do anything noble by doing this. She was being silly and far too eager IMO.

I also do not appreciate the way in which she simply moved in to Amelienborg for months without a job or anything of the sort simply living a leisurely lifestyle. I don't care if Fred allowed her to do this. It is up to any civilized, sophisticated and sensible human being to know that this is not the proper way in which to introduce yourself to a man, his family and the citizens of a country which is a constitutional monarchy. The fact that someone allows you to do something doesn't necessarily mean that you should do it. Does she not possess the ability to think or reason?

As far my meeting a prince, I couldn't care less. I am not Mary. I am Jacqueline. I was raised well, I have common sense, and a major amount of respect and belief for myself and in myself. I don't care if a man is a prince. I am not going to uproot my life for anyone, regardless of their title or station in life. I care about myself far more than I care about any man or what "title" they may hold. If you want to get into my good graces, my dear you will need much more than a title, money and a friendly smile. If I meet a member of a royal family, then great. However, I am not going to start turning cartwheels and moving across the globe for anyone. There is something called subtlety. Obvious Mary has yet to hear of this thing.

I don't feel sorry for Mary. Anything that she gets be it good or bad is something that comes with this type of lifestyle. When you become involved with a public individual you have to deal with this type of ridicule as you would when you distribute behavior that is less than graceful. I am sick and tired of people who always go around whining, "She is a private person, she should be left alone." That is one of the most ridiculous things that I have ever heard. When you date a public person, you should expect to lose some if not an extremely large amount of privacy. Also, when you make it a point to constantly smile and put on a show for the cameras, your "privacy" just isn't taken as seriously it may have once been.

Will they get married? I have no comment on it. I don't know. I will wait and see along with everyone else. This relationship is so ridiculously warped IMO that I can't bring myself to remark on any possible upcoming engagment or marriage.

BTW, I personally refer to the people who read the posts and who never post as lurkers.

[samitude]

Ahh, lurkers, I think that's the word. Thank you. I couldn't think of what it was.

Well, if you think that about Mary you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Like I said in my previous post I am not wanting to insult anyone. I choose to believe that she is alot better than people make her out to be and so I'm sticking up for her. :) If she was going around topless or posing in lingerie I definitely wouldn't be defending her! I don't like everything she wears, etc., but that can be changed. Margrethe said in an article that Henrik is the one who decides what she should wear because she (herself) has an awful sense of fashion.

[Julia]

Hey Sylvia! Don't worry, I didn't take your post that way at all. I am so glad to see some major discussions taking place and it's great!! Never apologise for your opinion.

Jacqueline, your post is great as well. I am so glad to see these responses! We need more like them! Good show, ladies!

I am not copping out of giving a reply...I will give one later (believe you me). It's just that I am at work!

Julia :)

Oh, lurkers....yes, we need them as well as all of our other members to speak up! Come on guys we want to hear your opnions!

Julia

[Jacqueline]

Hi Julia and Sylvia!

I am only insulted by the tabloid comment and I have of course gotten over it.

Julia, I can't wait to see your reply to this question.

I still can't reply on whether or not Fred and Mary will eventually marry. I am not sure. At times I am really weary of this situation and more importantly Fred and Mary.

Attention: Lurkers (no offense meant of course ) It's really okay to post something. I promise that we won't bite. We may get into a heated debate or discussion, but it's all in fun! We want to hear everyone's opinion. :)

[Julia]

Hey ladies! I am still mulling over my reply... I promise to reply soon; I mean after all I did start the thread, so I should respond!


Yes, to all of our non-posting friends....please post! We really and truly won't bite! :)

Julia

[kelly9480]

Originally posted by samitude@Jan 6th, 2003 - 11:41 am
Margrethe said in an article that Henrik is the one who decides what she should wear because she (herself) has an awful sense of fashion.

Well Henrik should be shot because some of the outfits he's chosen for the wife are just wrong We're always told how she designs her own clothing, though

Having read over his interview from the beginning of 2002, I don't think they'll marry. He talked about still not having found the one and that was after he was with Mary. I don't see grand passion between them and I think that since his parents and his brother have great love affairs, he's not going to settle for anything less.

[Jacqueline]

Well Henrik should be shot because some of the outfits he's chosen for the wife are just wrong We're always told how she designs her own clothing, though

Having read over his interview from the beginning of 2002, I don't think they'll marry. He talked about still not having found the one and that was after he was with Mary. I don't see grand passion between them and I think that since his parents and his brother have great love affairs, he's not going to settle for anything less.

Wow! I didn't know that. Yes he should be "shot" or at least be made to have a seat and be talked to about this. Her Majesty has worn a few questionable ensembles over the years.

I forgot the comment that you mentioned Kelly D. about Fred saying that he hadn't found "the one" while still being with Mary. I do remember someone once mentioning something like that some time ago. I can't believe that it slipped my mind so quicky. Well, I am sure that Mary heard about that. She has to be very pathetic to still stay with someone after he has publicly admitted something of that nature. Granted that relationships end all of the time because people are not ment for one another, I personally would have found it hard to stay around after that. Of course, she has just relocated so she may be trying to maintain some sort of dignity about the matter in her eyes.....Still pathetic IMO.

[Jacqueline]

Here's an article from The Australian about Fred's trip to Tasmania, sans Mary nonetheless.

Where's Mary?

Prince sails as Mary slaves
By Carol Altmann and Vanda Carson
January 10, 2003

PRINCE Frederik of Denmark has flown to Hobart for two weeks of sailing in the home state of his girlfriend Mary Donaldson, ramping up speculation that the pair will soon become engaged.

But the 34-year-old heir to the Danish throne arrived without Ms Donaldson, who is reportedly still too busy at work to join her prince.

Ms Donaldson, 30, now lives in Denmark and works for a division of Microsoft.

The prince said Ms Donaldson was frustrated she could not fly to Tasmania with him.

"It's hard for her to think I am in her place and she is not around – she's having a lot of trouble thinking about that," he said.

"She has a good job back home and she can't really leave that right now."

However, Ms Donaldson, who is expected to join the Prince soon, has rarely been sighted at her workplace, just north of Copenhagen, because she has taken frequent holidays with Frederik to Brazil, the Swiss Alps and the Danish royal family's French chateau. The prince flew into Hobart direct from Copenhagen yesterday to compete in the Dragon Class yachting world championships.

In a rare media interview, Frederik would not say if he would ask Ms Donaldson to marry him, but said he was enjoying the relationship.

"That is hard to say – I can't reveal that anyway," he said. 'It's basically enjoying myself and getting to know each other more."

With the Danish media hungry for any news on the royal romance, the prince's preparedness to fly across the world for a two-week sailing holiday is being interpreted as another strong signal of his intentions.

As Frederik prepared his yacht, Nanoq, at the Hobart docks yesterday, Danish newspapers were reporting that Ms Donaldson and Queen Margrethe recently went to the movies together to see the second instalment of The Lord of The Rings.

Ms Donaldson spent the night at the royal palace on December 23, and celebrated New Year's Eve with Frederik at a Danish private estate, Scheel Estate, in Trend, according to the Danish press.

Frederik confirmed yesterday that he had met Ms Donaldson's father, mathematics lecturer John Donaldson, and her stepmother, author Susan Moody, last month.

"They are good people, good folks. They are proud Tasmanians, which is good," he said.

Link: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E2702,00.html