The Prince and Princess of Prussia: August 2011-

[iceflower]

The Prince and Princess of Prussia attended the Tribute to Bambi 2022 event in Berlin yesterday, October 5:


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[iceflower]

The Prince of Prussia attended the 21st edition of the „Award for understanding and tolerance“ at the Jewish Museum in Berlin on November 12:


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[eya]

The Prince and Princess of Prussia are among the first passengers that went up to the courtyard of Hohenzollern Castle by elevator


https://www.schwarzwaelder-bote.de/i...00241b5a0.html

[Blog Real]

Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, head of the House of Hohenzollern, and Andreas Mattfeldt, member of the Bundestag of Langwedel, founded a brewery. "Preußens Pilsener", the "Beer of the Hohenzollern", has been on the market since April 2017. Now, the two shareholders are presenting it at Bremen's three-day food fair, "Gastro Ivent", which lasts until Monday.
https://www.kreiszeitung.de/lokales/...-92055812.html

[Toledo]

Congrats and hope for the best for the prince and his new entrepreneurial goals. In some way businesses and industries are the modern equivalent of medieval territorial wars. The more they expand territories, local or overseas, the better the income for the former ruling family.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia, head of the House of Hohenzollern, and Andreas Mattfeldt, member of the Bundestag of Langwedel, founded a brewery. "Preußens Pilsener", the "Beer of the Hohenzollern", has been on the market since April 2017.

Yeah, a very good idea! And they can market this beer worldwide with huge opportunities.

The Hohenzollerns always had good beer: Frederick Miller aka Friedrich Müller from the famous Miller Brewing Company was the brew master at the court of the Prince of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen before he went to America and became one of the richest men in the whole wide World.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Miller

[victor1319]

A new turn in the Saga about all the royal Prussian art pieces and castles, that were perhaps illegally expropriated by the communists after World War 2.

As we discussed here in the thread, Prince Georg Friedrich as the 'Chef of the House' Hohenzollern started a while ago a legal campaign, to get the property back.

Now rbb24.de, the regional public television outfit (trustworthy), reports, that the Prince has taken back a part of his restitution claims.
https://www.rbb24.de/kultur/beitrag/...andenburg.html
(Only in German, sorry!)

Alledgedly the Prince refrains from sueing for the restitution of 4 000 objects.

The legal court in question says, it is unaware of such a step. But the Prince has given an interview to the daily WELT, that confirms everything.
https://www.welt.de/geschichte/plus2...Interview.html
(Only in German and behind a paywall, sorry!)

The Prince there claims, he partly stopped sueing to open the way for a new debatte about the issue.

[An Ard Ri]

Prince Georg Friedrich at the House of the Federal Press Conference in Berlin at a presentation.

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?...-2023%20Berlin

[hereditarytitles]

Sorry, I could not find the right thread, hopefully the moderators can put it right.
in two German important newspapers "Zeit" and "Welt" it was published today that Georg Friedrich von Preussen finally decided to finish his claims of reparation for lost family fortunes after WWII. That has been a very long lasting issue here, a very long judicial procedure. He finished it now.
Sorry the articles are only in German. if anybody is interested, I could translate it.

https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2023-03/g...aedigung-klage

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by hereditarytitles

Sorry, I could not find the right thread, hopefully the moderators can put it right.
in two German important newspapers "Zeit" and "Welt" it was published today that Georg Friedrich von Preussen finally decided to finish his claims of reparation for lost family fortunes after WWII. That has been a very long lasting issue here, a very long judicial procedure. He finished it now.
Sorry the articles are only in German. if anybody is interested, I could translate it.

https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2023-03/g...aedigung-klage

I’m interested, could you kindly translate it for me

[Muhler]

The comments are, to put it mildly, not particularly positive towards Georg Friedrich von Preussen!

- I know too little about the background of all this to write a good summary though.

[Marengo]

I find the reasoning a bit curious. Because CP Wilhelm supposedly was a Nazi-supporter the family goods can not be returned now? With that logic they could have confiscated properties of millions of German citizens, many of whom will have been a more enthusiastic supporter than the crown prince.

I understand that politically it is not popular to give money to people who already have a priviliged life compared to most. Though I am sure many trinklets would end up in an auction house had they been returned to the family, a financial compensation for these pieces would have been in order IMO.

I am not sure if any other families received compensations for lost properties in East Germany.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Muhler

The comments are, to put it mildly, not particularly positive towards Georg Friedrich von Preussen!

- I know too little about the background of all this to write a good summary though.

I understand that from some articles a few years ago. It’s not shocking especially because the formerly East German state of Brandenburg since being part of the Soviet occupied zone has been a stronghold for leftists who are definitely against his claims.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I find the reasoning a bit curious. Because CP Wilhelm supposedly was a Nazi-supporter the family goods can not be returned now? With that logic they could have confiscated properties of millions of German citizens, many of whom will have been a more enthusiastic supporter than the crown prince.

I understand that politically it is not popular to give money to people who already have a priviliged life compared to most. Though I am sure many trinklets would end up in an auction house had they been returned to the family, a financial compensation for these pieces would have been in order IMO.

I am not sure if any other families received compensations for lost properties in East Germany.

I doubt that Georg-Friedrich will sell because the remainder of the artefacts that are still around still are in his possession and many have been loaned out to museums. Georg-Friedrich hasn’t sold any important artefacts since 2012 (beau sancy diamond) and the Wummerhof. There have been a few families that received monetary compensation I.e- a branch of the Wettin dynasty, the Schonborg-Hartensteins bought back some castles,

[Prinsara]

Originally Posted by hereditarytitles

Sorry, I could not find the right thread, hopefully the moderators can put it right.
in two German important newspapers "Zeit" and "Welt" it was published today that Georg Friedrich von Preussen finally decided to finish his claims of reparation for lost family fortunes after WWII. That has been a very long lasting issue here, a very long judicial procedure. He finished it now.
Sorry the articles are only in German. if anybody is interested, I could translate it.

https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2023-03/g...aedigung-klage

If someone could kindly elaborate: so GF dropped the reparations claims, or the court ruled against him?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I find the reasoning a bit curious. Because CP Wilhelm supposedly was a Nazi-supporter the family goods can not be returned now? With that logic they could have confiscated properties of millions of German citizens, many of whom will have been a more enthusiastic supporter than the crown prince.

That is in the Contract of the german Unity that no Property can be given back to those whose ancestors helped the nazis.
Interesting there have been other greman noble Families which staunch nazis like the father of the present Fürst of Waldeck.-Pyrmont for example, but their property was in West Germany so they were expropriated as the Families with possessions in East Germany.

[victor1319]

Originally Posted by Prinsara

If someone could kindly elaborate: so GF dropped the reparations claims, or the court ruled against him?

The Prince dropped 'em partly, to create a better atmosphere in the still ongoing dispute.

I searched at Google, if there are English articles about the issue: Yes, two until now - and one in The Times, which I do not link, because it is behind a paywall.

https://worldnationnews.com/the-heir...s-inheritance/

https://www.indonewyork.com/breaking...or-h75813.html

[Marengo]

An article in English from Deutsche Welle:

[...]

Prince Georg Friedrich Ferdinand on Thursday said that he had abandoned attempts to secure compensation from the state that date back to 2014.

[...]

What are the arguments against compensation?
The case hinged on whether Crown Prince Wilhelm, son of Kaiser Wilhelm II and great-grandfather of Prince George, provided "substantive" support to Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime. Under German law, proof of such support is grounds for refusing compensation.

Wilhelm II went into exile in the Netherlands at the end of World War I in 1918.

"Even if I am not an historian or lawyer myself, it cannot be shown in my view that my great-grandfather offered the regime substantive abetment, even if he perhaps wanted to," Prince George said.

Historians from German universities are divided on whether Crown Prince Wihlelm significantly aided the Nazi regime, though most concur that he wanted to.

"The former crown prince was politically incapable of providing substantive abetment to the Nazis, although he wanted to do so at times," Professor Lothar Machtan said.

[...]

What did the prince say about his decision?
"We will give our best possible support to a critical review of our family history," the prince said.

He said that he hoped that the focus of the debate would move away from Crown Prince Wilhelm, looking at the Hohenzollern family history in its diversity.

The prince said that in dropping the claim he hoped to "open the way for an unencumbered historical debate on the role of my family in the 20th Century following the end of the monarchy."

Prince Georg said that while he believed it could not be clearly proven that Crown Prince Wilhelm actively promoted Nazism, it was clear that his great-grandfather had sought close ties with the regime.

"Anyone who panders to right-wing extremism cannot be a tradition-setter for our house," he declared.

Full article: https://www.dw.com/en/german-prince-...uit/a-64937096

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Marengo

An article in English from Deutsche Welle:



Full article: https://www.dw.com/en/german-prince-...uit/a-64937096

I think he did good by doing this because the public reaction when it became known wasn’t very pleasant to him and his family. Plus many historians and publications (especially those from left-wing views) have spoken out against him.

[hereditarytitles]

I have made a translation of the "Zeit" article:

Headline : Georg Friedrich of Prussia has given up claims against public authorities

Georg F. has given up his claims to the return of thousands of art objects. He wants to pave the way for an "unencumbered debate" According to the House of Hohenzollern Chief he has withdrawn two lawsuits against the public sector for compensation in the millions. The administrative court in Potsdam informed "Zeit Online" that corresponding press releases had not yet been received. "But you can be sure that I will stand by this"
he said while attending a historical discussion about his family's role during National Socialism. The federal government and the states of Brandenburg and Berlin have been negotiating with the family since 2014 about the return of numerous art objects and compensation. According to the law, anyone who "provided significant support" to the Nazi system does not receive compensation. Regarding this question the role of the great grandfather, Wilhelm Crown Prince of Prussia is decisive. The talks are on hold after Brandenburg resumed a process that had been running since 2015 about expropriated properties such as Rheinsberg Castle, Bornstedt Crown Estate and several villas in Potsdam. Brandenburg had rejected compensation on the basis of the unification treaty. The Hohenzollern had sued against this. We are talking about 1,2 million Euros. The second lawsuit concerns among other things, inventory from the Rheinsberg and Cecilienhof palaces in Potsdam. In this case the federal state of Brandenburg had also refused compensation due to the same reasons.
Goerg Friedrich says: "The actions of my great grandfather who died in 1951, are relevant for the assignment of 4000 out of more than 10.000 objects" Therefore he has made the decision to give up his claim for those 4000 objects and corresponding compensation. "I would like to pave the way for an unencumbered debate in historical contexts on the role of my family in the 20th century. Anyone who can be related to right-wing extremism cannot contribute to the tradition of the House of Hohenzollern".

The translation isn't perfect, but hopefully the facts are correct.