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Good point.... they were overly concerned about pure blood royals (which doesn't explain 'Dona & Willy' (sorry Warren, I know it's not the correct thread))
And the Prince Consort raised Vicky to be Queen of Prussia and/or the consort of a ruler of union on German states, correct? I guess the fact that they truly loved each other was just gravy.... but one would not have expected less of Queen Victoria's eldest daughter... and the apple of the Prince Consort's eye... to actually love the one she was married to....
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10-12-2010, 01:51 PM
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Good point.... they were overly concerned about pure blood royals (which doesn't explain 'Dona & Willy' (sorry Warren, I know it's not the correct thread))
And the Prince Consort raised Vicky to be Queen of Prussia and/or the consort of a ruler of union on German states, correct? I guess the fact that they truly loved each other was just gravy.... but one would not have expected less of Queen Victoria's eldest daughter... and the apple of the Prince Consort's eye... to actually love the one she was married to....
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Vicky, being English, was less concerned about "blood" and supported Willy's choice of Dona, even though the Prussians looked down on her. Despite the English being seen as very class conscious today, they were quite liberal in terms of marriage laws. Willy and I think some Russians royals were appalled by Edward VII's social circle, which included new money business men (who paid off his large debts) and, even worse to them, Jews.
Willy and Dona married during Wilhelm I's reign so grandfather must have given final approval for the unequal match. Wilhelm I had been forced his great love, Princess Eliza Radziwill because of her blood on her father's side (her mother was Prussian!).
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10-14-2010, 10:15 PM
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Gotta love those Hohenzollerns...... I remember reading about Wilhelm and Princess Radziwill..
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11-14-2010, 02:33 PM
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What about the kaiser's grand-uncle, Friederich-Wilhelm IV ?
He married a catholic princess of the most catholic Bavaria.
Did she have to renounce her faith ?
I know in simillar cases, often the boys were raised lutherans and the girls could be raised as caholics after their mother.
The couple had no children, but were there any legal dispositions ?
As to Wilhelm and pss Radziwill, being polish, wasn't she also catholic ?
Mind you, two catholic brides for the most lutheran Hohenzollerns
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11-14-2010, 02:55 PM
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When I visited Potsdam the guide explained me the whole story of the religious issues of Elisabeth and Friedrich Wilhelm's marriage; if I remember well, Elisabeth didn't want to convert to Lutheranism, but FW wanted his wife to be Lutheran; finally she got the better of him, and they agreed that she would remain Catholic, but children would be raised Lutherans.
However, after some years of marriage Elisabeth changed her mind and converted to Lutheranism, but it was her own choice, nobody forced her to the conversion.
As for Eliza Radziwill, I don't know if she was Catholic or Lutheran; her father was Catholic, but her mother was Lutheran (a Princess of Prussia herself).
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Accodring to a book i have about the bavarian Queens it's said that it was not Friedrich Wilhelm IV. but his father Friedrich Wilhelm III. who wanted that she should became lutheran. So she had long talks it was agreed that she should covert at a later point and not before the Wedding like some also wanted.
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Poor Vicky . . . and Willy. From his tortured birth, it seems the two were never destined to be on good terms. For her part, Vicky could never reconcile herself to Willy's deformed arm. And to make it worse, he also suffered from dizziness, had trouble staying on his horse and later suffered from headaches and hearing loss. Despite the lack of real warmth between the two, it sounds like Willy was obsessed with his mother while at the same time he was opposed to her English liberal ideas.
In the book King, Kaiser, Tsar, the author sets out a letter Willy wrote to his mother when he was a young teen which borders almost on the erotic. Very disturbing but maybe it explains much about the two.
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10-30-2011, 11:40 AM
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Her Imperial and Royal Highness the Crown Princess of Prussia and the German Empire
Can anyone identify this pair?
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Who was the Empress Victoria's favorite granddaughter? Who was her favorite grandson?
I like Victoria Moretta's name of Friederike Wilhelmine Amalie Viktoria. She was called Victoria (Viktoria). There were four generations of Victorias:
Victoria the Duchess of Kent
Victoria the Queen of Great Britain
Victoria the Empress Friedrich
Victoria Moretta
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06-05-2018, 09:32 PM
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Did Emperor Friedrich III try to back his wife Victoria with Princess Viktoria Moretta's wish to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg?
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08-05-2019, 02:31 AM
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Today in Royal History is the 118th Death Anniversary of HIM The Empress Frederick or more popularly known as HRH Victoria, Princess Royal.
Amongst her current descendants are Queen Sofia of Spain, King Constantine II of Greece, Margareta, Custodian of the Romanian Crown, Crown Prince Alexander of Serbia, Prince Amedeo of Savoy-Aosta, Duke of Aosta, Moritz, Landgrave of Hesse and Georg Friedrich, Prince of Prussia.
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08-05-2019, 11:03 AM
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3 Emperors in one year : Wilhelm I , Frederick III (already very ill) and Wilhelm II.
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08-05-2019, 11:44 AM
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3 Emperors in one year : Wilhelm I , Frederick III (already very ill) and Wilhelm II.
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Years like that happen very rarely. Those I can think of are:
Year 69 - The year of four Emperors of Rome (Galba, Otho, Vitellus, Vespasian)
Year 1762 - Russia (Elisabeth, Peter III, Catherine the Great)
Year 1830 - France (Charles X, Duke of Angouleme (20 minutes by default), Duke of Chambord (7 days by default), Louis Philippe)
Year 1888 - Germany
Year 1937 - The year of three Kings United Kingdom (George V, Edward VIII, George VI)
With the exception of Germany and UK none of the other years have had such a rapid succession of monarchs because of natural causes. Can you think of anymore examples?
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08-05-2019, 12:08 PM
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No , Actually the Monarchs are in good health. Cancer is not fort them , lucky !
When they are tired , they abdicate ........
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10-07-2019, 05:17 PM
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Are there any books on Princess Charlotte, the daughter of Kaiser Frederich III and Kaiserin Victoria? I recently finished reading "Young Wilhelm", the first book of John Rohl's extensive three volume series on Kaiser Wilhelm II. Rohl gave just enough information on Princess Charlotte to make me want to learn more. Thanks.
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10-07-2019, 05:23 PM
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Did Emperor Friedrich III try to back his wife Victoria with Princess Viktoria Moretta's wish to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg?
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Yes, he did. Initially, he was against it but Vicky brought him around to her way of thinking, as she did on most everything. For an interesting account of this, read John Rohl's book "Young Wilhelm". It extensively details this battle for Viktoria Moretta to be able to marry Prince Alexander of Battenberg.
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I haven't seen much commemoration of Emperor Frederick II but when I read that there is a commemorative stone for him in Juelich, in the old Rhine province his parents liked, I went there to take photos.
It's a huge stone with a medaillon.
In Aachen, not far away from Juelich, there is an equestrian statue of "our Fritz". I have seen it often but didn't take photos :-(
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser...enkmal_(Aachen)
Sorry the link is in German. I found that there are actually more commemorative statues and plaques than I thought. Here is a link:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedr...Denkm%C3%A4ler
He is my favorite Hohenzollern by far.
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If Frederick III, Emperor of Germany had lived, could he have stopped the World Wars?
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Frederick as Crown Prince c. 1878.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...edrich_III.png
Frederick William, ca. 1841.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2C_ca_1841.jpg
Crown Prince Frederick William of Prussia, 1867, by Oskar Begas.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%9Fen_1867.jpg
Frederick and his son, Wilhelm, in October 1863 at Balmoral castle.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Oct._1863.jpg
Prince Frederick William of Prussia with his wife and two older children, Prince William and Princess Charlotte. Portrait by Franz Xaver Winterhalter, 1862.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...of_Prussia.jpg
Victoria - Crown Princess of Prussia, 1860s.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...an_Empress.jpg
Kaiser-Friedrich-Mausoleum (Potsdam): Frederick is entombed in this sarcophagus, which bears his likeness on top.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2002713635.jpg
Emperor Frederick III and Empress Victoria mausoleum at the Friedenskirche, Sanssouci.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...um_Potsdam.jpg
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