Prince Antonio, Princess Christine and Family

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Any news on a royal future bride for prince Rafael? As that is expected of him to continue the royal lineage (I wonder whether a noble bride would be considered an acceptable alternative if he cannot find a princess).

In this interview 4 years ago he said he intended to keep up that tradition to be able to fulfil his role.

The title is a bit misleading as it was his brother "who was born to be emperor of Brazil" not Rafael as the second son; however, because his older brother's airplane crashed he was put in this position.

On itself there are plenty Habsburgs, Borbóns, Orléanses, Liechtensteins, Hohenzollerns, etc. to find a bride. A noble bride seems perfect too: his own mother Princess Christine de Ligne, might be from a most illustrious aristocratic family, with a royal mother even (Alix de Luxembourg), strictly spoken she is not royal.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Some potential brides for Rafael (1986) that seem to meet the criteria (royal princess - and Roman Catholic)
- Infanta Maria Francisca (of Portugal), Duchess of Coimbra (1997; non-noble/royal mother)
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A wedding between Brazil and Portugal would be interesting.

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

On itself there are plenty Habsburgs, Borbóns, Orléanses, Liechtensteins, Hohenzollerns, etc. to find a bride. A noble bride seems perfect too: his own mother Princess Christine de Ligne, might be from a most illustrious aristocratic family, with a royal mother even (Alix de Luxembourg), strictly spoken she is not royal.

Who do you think would be a good fit for both prince Rafael and the role prince Rafael wants to play in Brazil?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Who do you think would be a good fit for both prince Rafael and the role prince Rafael wants to play in Brazil?

No idea. But when one looks to Stéphanie de Lannoy, Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz, Sophie von Isenburg, that sort of ladies.

Theodora of Greece and Denmark is now engaged, THE dream candidate for Georg von Preussen / Georgy Romanov (fully royal, orthodox). This shows how difficult it is to match from behind a desk.

Look at the "potentials" > 20 years old in the Habsburg family alone:

Nikolaus Maximilian Ludwig Antonius Franz Leo Heinrich Josef Maria Herzog von Hohenberg x Marie Elisabeth Gräfin von Westphalen zu Fürstenberg
= Johanna Marie Henriette Elisabetha Bona Sophie Antonia 1993
= Teresa Maria-Felicitas Margarete Anna Bernadette Polycarpia 1996
= Sophie Marie Natalie Therese Edith Agnes 2000

Leo Johannes Maximilian Josef Koloman Fürst von Hohenberg x Rosalind Roque Alcoforado
= Geneviève Leontine Johanna Andrea 1998

Karl Thomas Robert Maria Franziskus Georg Bahnam Erzherzog von Österreich x Francesca Freiin von Thyssen-Bornemisza
= Eleonore Jelena Maria del Pilar Iona 1994
= Gloria Maria Bogdana Paloma Regina Fiona Gabriela 1999

Raimund Joseph Carl Ludwig Maria Gabriel Marcus d'Aviano Gaspar Erzherzog von Österreich x Bettine Götz
= Sophia Maria Alexandra Gaspera 1998
= Maria Teresa Beatrice Nicole Balthasara 2000

István Franz-Leopold Johannes Maria Rudolph Theresius Marcus d'Aviano Balthasar Erzherzog von Österreich x Paola de Temesváry
= Marguerite Eugénie Marie Alexandra Marcus d'Aviano Balthasara 1999

Rudolf Maria Carl Eugen Anna Antonius Marcus d'Aviano Erzherzog von Österreich (incorporated into the Belgian nobility as Prince de Habsbourg-Lorraine) x Marie Hélène Christiane Joséphine baronne de Villenfagne de Vogelsanck
= Priscilla Marie Zita Sybille 1979
= Marie-des-Neiges Constanza Laurence Françoise Thérèse Anne 1986

Carl Christian Maria Anna Rudolph Anton Marcus d'Aviano Erzherzog von Österreich-Lothringen x Marie Astrid princesse de Luxembourg, princesse de Nassau, princesse de Bourbon de Parme
= Gabriella Maria Pilar Yolande Joséphine-Charlotte 1994

Carl Peter Otto Serge Joseph Paul Leopold Heinrich Erzherzog von Österreich x Alexandra Fürstin von Wrede
= Antonia Maria Zita Josepha Kaspera Markus d'Aviano 2000

Simeon Carl Eugen Joseph Leopold Erzherzog von Österreich x Maria principessa di Borbone-Due Sicilie
= Isabelle Rocio Maravillas Lourdes 2000

[Biri]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Some potential brides for Rafael (1986) that seem to meet the criteria

- Princesses Marie-Astrid (1987) or Marie-Anunciata (1985) of Liechtenstein (royal parents)
- Archduchess Eleonore of Habsburg-Lothringen (1994; royal father; noble mother)

These Princesses are already engaged.

[BigLenny]

Here are my suggestions for Rafael (beware that some may be far-fetched, such as non-Catholics on the list):

• Duchess Olga of Mecklenburg (1988)
• Princess Philippa of Hohenzollern (1988)
• Princess Antonia of Hohenzollern (1995)
• Princess Sirivannavari of Thailand (1987)
• Princess Kako of Akishino (1994)
• Duchess Katharina of Oldenburg (1997)
• Duchess Marie Amelie Herzogin von Württemberg (1996)
• Duchess Sophie-Dorothea Herzogin von Württemberg (1997)
• Duchess Pauline of Württemberg (1997)
• Princess Sikhanyiso Dlamini of Eswatini (1987)
• Princess Marija of Yugoslavia, daughter of Prince Nikola and granddaughter of Prince Tomislav (1993)
• Princess Noor Pahlavi of Iran (1992)
• Princess Iman Pahlavi of Iran (1993)

Anyway, I think the notion of equally dynastic marriages is silly nowadays. If I'm Rafael, I'd tell his uncles Luiz and Bertrand to move on with the times and drop the stupid tradition of members renouncing succession rights for themselves and their descendants if they enter unequal marriages.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by BigLenny

Here are my suggestions for Rafael (beware that some may be far-fetched, such as non-Catholics on the list):

• Duchess Olga of Mecklenburg (1988)
• Princess Philippa of Hohenzollern (1988)
• Princess Antonia of Hohenzollern (1995)
• Princess Sirivannavari of Thailand (1987)
• Princess Kako of Akishino (1994)
• Duchess Katharina of Oldenburg (1997)
• Duchess Marie Amelie Herzogin von Württemberg (1996)
• Duchess Sophie-Dorothea Herzogin von Württemberg (1997)
• Duchess Pauline of Württemberg (1997)
• Princess Sikhanyiso Dlamini of Eswatini (1987)
• Princess Marija of Yugoslavia, daughter of Prince Nikola and granddaughter of Prince Tomislav (1993)
• Princess Noor Pahlavi of Iran (1992)
• Princess Iman Pahlavi of Iran (1993)

Anyway, I think the notion of equally dynastic marriages is silly nowadays. If I'm Rafael, I'd tell his uncles Luiz and Bertrand to move on with the times and drop the stupid tradition of members renouncing succession rights for themselves and their descendants if they enter unequal marriages.

Rafael's mother is not royal but noble, which proves that the requirement of strictly equal marriages does not exist.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by BigLenny

Anyway, I think the notion of equally dynastic marriages is silly nowadays. If I'm Rafael, I'd tell his uncles Luiz and Bertrand to move on with the times and drop the stupid tradition of members renouncing succession rights for themselves and their descendants if they enter unequal marriages.

They wopuld probably force him to renoucne his rights. Their niece Princess Alix of Ligne who married a french Count also had to renonce.

If he really wanted marry non-equla he probably woulöd have to wait until his father is the head of the House. But then i don't know hos he sees this and if he would allow it.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Some potential brides for Rafael (1986) that seem to meet the criteria
- Princesses Léopoldine (1990) or Marie Immaculata (1991) of Liechtenstein (royal parents)
- Princesses Maria Laura (1985) or Luisa Maria (1995) of Belgium (royal parents)
- Princesses Marie-Astrid (1987) or Marie-Anunciata (1985) of Liechtenstein (royal parents)
- Archduchess Eleonore of Habsburg-Lothringen (1994; royal father; noble mother)
- Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg (1991; non-noble/royal mother; but reigning family)
- Infanta Maria Francisca (of Portugal), Duchess of Coimbra (1997; non-noble/royal mother)
- Princesses Mafalda (1994) or Olimpia (1995) of Bulgaria (royal father; noble(?) mother)

Not sure whether these princesses have boyfriends or not... Some are rumored to have

He could also have a look in the mediatzied Families. For example the five daughters of Duchess Mathilde of Württemberg would perfectly fit the bill.

And through ther great-granmdmother the late Comtesse de Paris there would be even connections to the Brazuil imperial Family. And theri maternal gandmother was born in Petropolis.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Rafael's mother is not royal but noble, which proves that the requirement of strictly equal marriages does not exist.

His mother is the daughter of a princess from Luxembourg, so she is very close to royalty.

As for a possible bride for Prince Rafael, I think he would make a good marriage to Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg, they are still cousins and must have the same values and principles.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

As for a possible bride for Prince Rafael, I think he would make a good marriage to Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg, they are still cousins and must have the same values and principles.

I think they are much to close related.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

His mother is the daughter of a princess from Luxembourg, so she is very close to royalty.

As for a possible bride for Prince Rafael, I think he would make a good marriage to Princess Alexandra of Luxembourg, they are still cousins and must have the same values and principles.

You will understand "very close to royalty" is not the same as royalty. His mother is the proof that Dom Rafael does not need a strictly equal partner. That a daughter of a Belgian nobleman makes a dynastic marriage only broadens the perspective for Dom Rafael. There are thousands more possible partners in the high nobility than when limiting oneself to strictly royal families.

Alexandra de Luxembourg indeed is "distant enough" for a marriage.

Alexandra princesse de Luxembourg
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Henri, Grand-Duc de Luxembourg
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Jean, Grand-Duc de Luxembourg
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Charlotte, Grande-Duchesse de Luxembourg
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Alix princesse de Ligne née princesse de Luxembourg
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Christine de Orléans e Bragança née princesse de Ligne
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Rafael de Orléans e Bragança

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

You will understand "very close to royalty" is not the same as royalty. His mother is the proof that Dom Rafael does not need a strictly equal partner. That a daughter of a Belgian nobleman makes a dynastic marriage only broadens the perspective for Dom Rafael. There are thousands more possible partners in the high nobility than when limiting oneself to strictly royal families.

Alexandra de Luxembourg indeed is "distant enough" for a marriage.

Alexandra princesse de Luxembourg
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Henri, Grand-Duc de Luxembourg
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Jean, Grand-Duc de Luxembourg
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Charlotte, Grande-Duchesse de Luxembourg
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Alix princesse de Ligne née princesse de Luxembourg
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Christine de Orléans e Bragança née princesse de Ligne
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Rafael de Orléans e Bragança

Yes, I understand what you mean.
Yes Rafael and Alexandra are distant cousins, but they certainly know each other, but maybe he is not going to marry her.
But there are other princesses (from Germany for example) and from other noble houses in Europe with whom he can marry.
But this rule of the imperial house in Brazil should no longer exist, it is anachronistic for the 21st century.

[Blog Real]

PRESS RELEASE: PRINCE DOM ANTONIO'S STATE OF HEALTH

São Paulo, March 27, 2020

Prince Dom Antonio de Orleans and Bragança continues to be treated for the new coronavirus (Covid-19), assisted by his wife and son, Princess Dona Christine and Prince Dom Rafael.

His Highness remains hospitalized in the city of Rio de Janeiro, awaiting transfer of the intensive care unit (ICU) to the room.

We thank you in your name for all the prayers made to God Our Lord and to the Blessed Virgin for the full restoration of your health, in which, even, there has been an increasing insistence on the intercession of Princess Dona Isabel.

The other members of the Imperial Family who contracted the disease recover at home, without the need for hospitalization.

Further information will be released in due course.
https://www.facebook.com/promonarqui...type=3&theater

[Somebody]

That sounds as if it was really critical for Prince Antonio; glad to hear that it seems that he may leave the ICU. Wishing him a full recovery.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

PRESS RELEASE: PRINCE DOM ANTONIO'S STATE OF HEALTH

São Paulo, March 27, 2020

Prince Dom Antonio de Orleans and Bragança continues to be treated for the new coronavirus (Covid-19), assisted by his wife and son, Princess Dona Christine and Prince Dom Rafael.

His Highness remains hospitalized in the city of Rio de Janeiro, awaiting transfer of the intensive care unit (ICU) to the room.

We thank you in your name for all the prayers made to God Our Lord and to the Blessed Virgin for the full restoration of your health, in which, even, there has been an increasing insistence on the intercession of Princess Dona Isabel.

The other members of the Imperial Family who contracted the disease recover at home, without the need for hospitalization.

Further information will be released in due course.
https://www.facebook.com/promonarqui...type=3&theater

Good heavens. Public persons have greater chance to become infected, exactly because they are a public person, of course. Courage, Dom Antonio!

[CyrilVladisla]

Hopefully Prince Dom Antonio will be better soon!

[eya]

A video of Princess Maria Gabriela as singing and playing the South African Christian hymn “Siyahamba” on the piano.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1283413723751886855

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by BigLenny

Anyway, I think the notion of equally dynastic marriages is silly nowadays. If I'm Rafael, I'd tell his uncles Luiz and Bertrand to move on with the times and drop the stupid tradition of members renouncing succession rights for themselves and their descendants if they enter unequal marriages.

Originally Posted by Blog Real

But this rule of the imperial house in Brazil should no longer exist, it is anachronistic for the 21st century.

A family claiming rights to a throne and imperial status that expired in 1889 is probably not anxious to move on with the times or afraid of seeming anachronistic.

[Blog Real]

Prince Luiz of Orleans and Bragança, Head of the Imperial House of Brazil, transmits through his dileto nephew and eventual dynastic successor, Prince Rafael of Orleans and Bragança, his traditional Message to Brazilians on Homeland Day this year 2020.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WKHjmN6XaYU