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Old 05-08-2013, 07:40 PM
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When I was on the "Marie Stuart" web page some years ago, I found there were a number of current claimants to the Stuart Descent. Not all of them claim the descent themselves, but others who are royalists claim it for them. Sophie Princess in Bavaria is descended from one of the daughters of a King James of England (I forget which James), so it is maternal descent. When I was on that site, one person claimed that he was descended from the twins born to Marie Stuart and Bothwell. He said the twins were spirited out of Scotland to France by Lady Mar. Lady Mar was one of the Hungarian nobles who attended Marie Stuart.

So there are lots of claimants. One of them was disproved a few years back as a fake.

It is interesting to me that Sophie's mother was a Douglas, a famous Scottish noble name which figured in the descent of Princess Alice of Gloucester.

Thanks for gorgeous pics, Queen Helena.
Oh I see, Brazillian, we are talking about Prince Ludwig, not the Duke Max descendants.

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Old 05-09-2013, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BrazilianEmpire View Post
Yes, you're right. But only the Wittelsbachs from Duke Max's branch of the Family are in the "Jacobite Line of Succession". Prince Ludwig aren't from this branch.
The jacobite succession comes through the last bavarian Queen Marie Therese. And Prince Ludwig is a descendant of her even twice as his grandparents Prince Ludwig and Princess Irmingard where cousins. Ludwig was a son of Queen Marie Therese's son Prince Franz and Princess Irmingard was a daughter of Crown prince Rupprecht-


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Old 05-09-2013, 10:00 PM
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Interesting. So, the members of the Brazilian Imperial Family, as well other members of the House of Orleans-Braganza, are in the Jacobite Line of Succession, because of their descent from Princess Maria Elizabeth of Bavaira (1914-2011).
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Has any member of the Vassouras branch of the House of Orleans-Braganza married a member of the Petropolis branch of the Imperial House of Brazil?

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