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05-17-2013, 04:40 PM
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Does the family have use of the Imperial Palaces? Or are they used by the president and or others?
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05-17-2013, 04:46 PM
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Does the family have use of these? Or are they used by the president and or others?
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The Palaces are museums now. Rio de Janeiro is no longer the capital of Brazil.
The President lives in Brasília (the capital), in a horrible "modern" palace - http://www.yourwonder.com/photos/F6F709E971F0151D.jpg
Prince Luiz, the Head of the Imperial Family, lives in a rented house in São Paulo, with his brother and heir, Prince Bertrand, Prince Imperial of Brazil.
The Palace of Guanabara (the original name was Isabel Palace) was a personal property of Princess Isabel and her husband, the Count of Eu. The Republic stole the Palace.
The Imperial Family is still suing the Government (Princess Isabel appealed in court for the first time in 1891), in order to retrieve the Palace.
Prince Alberto of Orleans-Braganza, younger brother of Prince Luiz, the Head of the Imperial House, who is one of the best lawyers of Brazil,is in charge of the case.
Maybe you'll find this thread useful - http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums...ngs-15585.html
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05-30-2013, 06:28 PM
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Does the family have use of the Imperial Palaces? Or are they used by the president and or others?
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I think someone in the forum already said that the Palacio do Grão-Pará (or Grão-Pará Palace) is the home of Dom Pedro Carlos de Orléans e Bragança e Bourbon, one of the pretendors of the throne. The last time I was in Petropolis, I was told that he is also the owner of the Princess' Isabel House.
The President does have a house in Petropolis but never goes there. The place is called Palácio Rio Negro and it belonged to the baron of Rio Negro. It is located in a beautiful avenue where everyone that had money and title built there mansions so that when the emperor went to Petropolis, they could also go there and be near him. (Princess' Isabel House is in the end of this avenue). Here is a picture of the Palácio Rio Negro:
http://www.petropolis.rj.gov.br/fct/...1017036868.jpg
The baron also built a smaller house next to the original one for his son (the picture is small but you can see them both)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sC_wF7Ol6z...+rio+negro.jpg
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03-14-2015, 10:01 PM
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Dom Pedro II visited the United States in 1876 to join President Grant at the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition.
Pedro met Alexander Graham Bell at the exposition.
Dom Pedro II was the first person to buy stock in the Bell Telephone Company.
One of the first telephones in a private residence was installed in the Emperor's Palace in Petropolis.
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09-03-2018, 02:57 AM
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09-03-2018, 08:21 AM
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It's such a tragedy. Most of the collections seems to be lost and according to what I've read the building itself is reduced to a shell that is at the risk of crumbling.
It seems there was no fire protection measures to speak off and the big question is if Brazil has the funds to restore the palace.
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09-03-2018, 08:37 AM
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Absolutely tragic to see this fire. Every fire is tragic and this one takes irreplaceable items. Very sad to see this.
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09-03-2018, 08:42 AM
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Destroying most of its collection of 20 million historical items they say. It's really terrible!
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09-03-2018, 10:19 AM
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It is horrific that fire destroyed amazing pieces of art.
On a cynical note, I hope that the fire in question happened due to negligence in carrying out safety procedures and was not a cover-up for stealing artifacts and pieces of art.
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09-03-2018, 12:35 PM
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From what I read the building was neglected for years and years. Some former imperial rooms -closed for the public- had roofs covered with plastic and the electric wiring was hanging loose. When the fire brigade came it seemed that even the fire hydrants were not working.
There is nothing left of the building apart from the walls.
What an enormous loss.
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09-03-2018, 02:32 PM
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It's such a tragedy. Most of the collections seems to be lost and according to what I've read the building itself is reduced to a shell that is at the risk of crumbling.
It seems there was no fire protection measures to speak off and the big question is if Brazil has the funds to restore the palace.
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That sure is the big question!
Because the museum had recently been allocated funds (don't know how much, or if it was remotely adequate) some of which was to go to fire prevention.
Alas, too late.
There will no doubt be political repercussions, but that's a little comfort, because even though the palace can be rebuild, the destroyed artifacts can't.
The destruction of a national museum in any country would be catastrophic. And if the national museum has been negleted to such an extent, are there any other museums that can provide a sufficient "historical back-up" in regards to some of the artifacts lost?
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09-03-2018, 02:45 PM
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What terrible news and shocking that so much was lost in the fire.
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09-03-2018, 03:04 PM
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An APPALLING and irreparable loss to the World, and especially to the people of Brazil..
An awful blow to the national psyche that will hit HARD...and the recriminations over who was responsible for the neglect of these treasures will not help an already fragile polity..
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09-03-2018, 03:34 PM
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Here's a news report from the fire,people are visibly upset 200 years of history gone.
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12-07-2018, 04:11 PM
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The Superior Court of Justice of Brazil (STJ) decided Thursday that the Guanabara Palace in Rio de Janeiro is owned by the State and not by the imperial family, contrary to its Imperial Family who have been trying to recover it in the oldest lawsuit in 123 years
https://t.co/RjT1j6hKu7
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03-11-2021, 03:32 PM
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03-31-2021, 08:08 PM
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What are the current properties of the Imperial Family? I think the Imperial Family has some properties in Petrópolis.
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03-31-2021, 10:19 PM
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A statue of Emperor Pedro I at the Museu Historico Nacional in Rio de Janeiro
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/526251892
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10-30-2022, 12:33 PM
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The Imperial Family's apartment in Rio de Janeiro and the residence of D. António and Princess Christine de Ligne in Petropolis.
https://c026204.cdn.sapo.io/1/c02620...1).jpg?size=xl
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