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Old 01-30-2021, 03:59 AM
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Rather odd to strip Juan Carlos from his allowance. Just like anybody else he is entitled to a 'pension', which in practice this is.

I assume the palace claiming Juan-Carlos pension as their own must have been done with the approval of JC. Let's hope the king has at least some money saved up for a rainy day.

To strip him off his allowance is a non-brainer for image reasons. You cannot have a former King, exiling himself in luxury and at the courtesy of the ruling Sheikh family while being accused of taking millions of bribe money, tax fraud etc, take money from the Spanish State that soon will have to deal with countless citizens being out of work and suffering from all sorts of corona related repercussions.
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Old 01-30-2021, 07:20 AM
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Its not as if he relies on his pension to live. Clearly he has been living off other money for years so why not take away the official money and the issues that come around it.
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Old 01-30-2021, 09:14 AM
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[QUOTE=tommy100;2368651]Its not as if he relies on his pension to live. Clearly he has been living off other money for years so why not take away the official money and the issues that come around it.[/QUO

Is it better if he keeps the official pension than is totally dependent on foreign "freinds"...
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Old 01-30-2021, 10:28 AM
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Its not as if he relies on his pension to live. Clearly he has been living off other money for years so why not take away the official money and the issues that come around it.

Yes indeed the less said about Don Juan Carlos's personal finances the better.
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Old 01-30-2021, 10:39 AM
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To strip him off his allowance is a non-brainer for image reasons. You cannot have a former King, exiling himself in luxury and at the courtesy of the ruling Sheikh family while being accused of taking millions of bribe money, tax fraud etc, take money from the Spanish State that soon will have to deal with countless citizens being out of work and suffering from all sorts of corona related repercussions.
I agree, it would look bad but that does not make it unfair. To me the new arrangement seems like some sort of extortion. Like every other Spaniard the former King should be entitled to a pension. And AFAIK the Spanish state / pension funds does not confisquate the pensions of other retired Spaniards. Neither does it tell other retired Spaniards how to spend their money or where they need to live. If anything it shows that the King was right in understanding he needed to arrange his own finances. Of course a pity that he went about it the way that he did.

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Is it better if he keeps the official pension than is totally dependent on foreign "friends"...
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Old 01-30-2021, 11:37 AM
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The weird part to me is that apparently the king decided that he would take his father's allowance instead of the state keeping it; or am I missing something/misunderstanding?
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Old 01-30-2021, 12:54 PM
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Its not as if he relies on his pension to live. Clearly he has been living off other money for years so why not take away the official money and the issues that come around it.[/QUO

Is it better if he keeps the official pension than is totally dependent on foreign "freinds"...
In my country the present King, the future King and the former King receive an allowance exactly because the State finds it "undesirable" that they are "in a dependent relation to third parties."

As these three are exactly the sole persons barred in having a free career choice or to engage into commercial activities or enterprises, they are "compensated" quite lavishly, befitting "a proper execution of the royal dignity". I assume this way of thinking is more or less the same in all monarchies.

Between 1936 and 1975 the Spanish royal family had no throne, was exiled for decades and had no source of income. It is no wonder that the reflex is to accumulate wealth as much as one can because monarchy can be over tomorrow, as Juan Carlos' very own wife and brother-in-law experienced...

Taking away the pension is actually pushing the former King into dependance on thirds and that is never a good idea.
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Old 01-30-2021, 01:07 PM
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Will restoring the pension make him independent from other sources? No.

He's exiled himself from Spain so as not to degrade his son's position and the monarchy further. That should include not being on the payroll.
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Old 01-30-2021, 02:29 PM
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The king made the correct decision I doubt too many Spaniards care if its unfair.
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Old 01-30-2021, 05:14 PM
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The weird part to me is that apparently the king decided that he would take his father's allowance instead of the state keeping it; or am I missing something/misunderstanding?

Officially there is no such thing as "his father's allowance". Casa Real gets a lump sum in the state budget and the King freely decides how to spend it. The money is not earmarked a priori for different individual members of the Royal Family as in other countries.
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Old 01-31-2021, 11:44 AM
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In my country the present King, the future King and the former King receive an allowance exactly because the State finds it "undesirable" that they are "in a dependent relation to third parties."

As these three are exactly the sole persons barred in having a free career choice or to engage into commercial activities or enterprises, they are "compensated" quite lavishly, befitting "a proper execution of the royal dignity". I assume this way of thinking is more or less the same in all monarchies.

Between 1936 and 1975 the Spanish royal family had no throne, was exiled for decades and had no source of income. It is no wonder that the reflex is to accumulate wealth as much as one can because monarchy can be over tomorrow, as Juan Carlos' very own wife and brother-in-law experienced...

Taking away the pension is actually pushing the former King into dependance on thirds and that is never a good idea.
"Dependent on friends"?

Juan Carlos is far from being poor. Whatever happened to $100 million that he received from Saudi's? He never returned that. Let alone however manu millions he collected that the public doesn't know about.

The right decision was made.
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Whatever happened to $100 million that he received from Saudi's? He never returned that.
AS far as I understand it, most of it went to his former mistress.
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Old 01-31-2021, 01:35 PM
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AS far as I understand it, most of it went to his former mistress.

Yes, the Saudi money was donated to Corinna in 2012.
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King Juan Carlos is living in the laps of luxury and is well able to afford his lifestyle and I doubt the removal of his pension will have an effect on his lavish lifestyle.
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The Royal Family saved almost 600,000 euros in 2020

This budget breakdown also includes what concerns the salaries received by the Royal Family, amounts that the monarch himself decided to freeze in January of this year. During 2020, Felipe VI earned 253,843 euros in twelve monthly payments, that is, just over 20,000 euros per month.

For her part, from the rest of the Royal Household, Queen Letizia received 139,605 euros, while Doña Sofía received 114,231 euros. In addition, Princess Leonor and Infanta Sofía did not receive any compensation from the State.

Other senior positions within the institution, such as the head of the Casa del Rey, Jaime Alfonsín, or the general secretary, Domingo Martínez Palomo, received a salary of 147,204 euros and 144,485, respectively.

https://www.ondacero.es/noticias/esp...001dff86a.html

https://www.casareal.es/ES/Transpare...s/subhome.aspx

It also includes an audiovisual memorial file on all the activities carried out last year

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