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But the the title Visconde de Torre did belong to the Infanta Pilar's late husband and not it those of her oldest son Juan.
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Yes Infanta Pilar's late husband Don Luis held that title and it was inherited by his eldest son upon the death of Don Luis Gomez Acebo in 1991.Since then HRH The Infanta Pilar is styled Duchess of Badajoz & Dowager Viscountess de la Torre.
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Ive been reading online that Leonor's title will be changed from Infanta to Highness. Has there been any confirmation or announcement re titles?
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But the the title Visconde de Torre did belong to the Infanta Pilar's late husband and not it those of her oldest son Juan.
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Isn't Infanta Doña Pilar the Dowager Viscountess de la Torre and her son Don Juan being the actual Viscount?
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06-08-2014, 04:26 AM
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Ive been reading online that Leonor's title will be changed from Infanta to Highness. Has there been any confirmation or announcement re titles?
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(Royal) Highness is no title but a form of adress, like The Honourable, His Excellency, His Grace, The Reverend, whatever. Infanta de España (litterally: Child of Spain) is the title.
Doña Leonor and her sister Doña Sofía remain Infanta de España and they already have Su Alteza Real (Her Royal Highness) as a form of adress.
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(Royal) Highness is no title but a form of adress, like The Honourable, His Excellency, His Grace, The Reverend, whatever. Infanta de España (litterally: Child of Spain) is the title.
Doña Leonor and her sister Doña Sofía remain Infanta de España and they already have Su Alteza Real (Her Royal Highness) as a form of adress.
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But when Leonor became Princess of Asturias she will cease to be an Infanta. The same as Felipe is not an Infante anymore since he was created Prince of Asturias.
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06-08-2014, 05:18 AM
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She will not cease to be an Infanta, for that title is for life. Felipe is still, as the son of the King, entitled to use the title of an Infante, but since the Prince of Asturias title is superior to the that of an Infante, he is styled as Prince of Asturias.
His full title is: His Royal Highness the Most Serene Infante Don Felipe Juan Pablo Alfonso de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Grecia, Prince of Asturias, Prince of Girona, Prince of Viana, Duke of Montblanc, Count of Cervera and Lord of Balaguer.
As an analogy:
Prince Charles is still "THE" Prince Charles but he uses Prince of Wales, because it is the superior title.
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She will not cease to be an Infanta, for that title is for life. Felipe is still, as the son of the King, entitled to use the title of an Infante, but since the Prince of Asturias title is superior to the that of an Infante, he is styled as Prince of Asturias.
His full title is: His Royal Highness the Most Serene Infante Don Felipe Juan Pablo Alfonso de Todos los Santos de Borbón y Grecia, Prince of Asturias, Prince of Girona, Prince of Viana, Duke of Montblanc, Count of Cervera and Lord of Balaguer.
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Acoording to the Royal Decree of 1987 about Royal Titles she will.
" Those children of the King other then the Prince or Princess of Asturias
and the children of said Prince or Princess are Infantes of Spain. "
See here: Infantes de España
You have to scroll down to see the Royal Decree of 1987.
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The title Infante (Infanta) de España is automatic for all children of the Sovereign or the Heir. The person of the Heir is known as Prince (Princess) of Asturias, etc. When a Heir ceases to be the first successor indeed, he/she automatically reverts to the general rule, as arranged with the Royal Decree of 1987.
Spain still has a male-preferred primogeniture and for so far there are no changes (which require a reform of the Constitution). When the new Princess of Asturias gets a younger brother, she automatically becomes Infanta de España again. Her younger brother will then be the new Prince of Asturias.
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06-08-2014, 05:37 AM
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[....] His Royal Highness the Most Serene Infante Don Felipe
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Me gusta! I like that style!
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06-08-2014, 05:44 AM
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Has there been any announcement on Juan Carlos & Sofia's title post abdication?
I do like HRH Don Juan Carlos,Infante de Espana.
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06-08-2014, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Stefan
Acoording to the Royal Decree of 1987 about Royal Titles she will.
" Those children of the King other then the Prince or Princess of Asturias
and the children of said Prince or Princess are Infantes of Spain. "
See here: Infantes de España
You have to scroll down to see the Royal Decree of 1987. |
Currently there's only one Infante in Spain using that title ,the king's cousin Infante Carlos,Duke of Calabria and Count of Caserta .
Infante Carlos, Duke of Calabria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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06-08-2014, 05:59 AM
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Has there been any announcement on Juan Carlos & Sofia's title post abdication?
I do like HRH Don Juan Carlos,Infante de Espana.
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No information yet. When the King will no longer have the title of King, then he is automatically Infante de España. Like his father:
Su Alteza Real Don Juan de Borbón y Battenberg, Infante de España, Conde de Barcelona.
I think it would be nice when Don Juan Carlos will use the same title as his father ( Conde de Barcelona).
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It's official.
King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, keep the title of King and Queen, with treatment of Majesty.
In protocol they will receive the same honors set for the Prince or Princess of Asturias.
They will be at the events after Infanta Sofía.
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 I can't see any potential problems with that decision. None at all.
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It's official.
King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, keep the title of King and Queen, with treatment of Majesty.
In protocol they will receive the same honors set for the Prince or Princess of Asturias.
They will be at the events after Infanta Sofía.
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So little Sofia takes precedent over the former king and queen?
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06-13-2014, 04:47 PM
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A whole new meaning to 'Los Reyes' !
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06-13-2014, 09:09 PM
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It's official.
King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia, keep the title of King and Queen, with treatment of Majesty.
In protocol they will receive the same honors set for the Prince or Princess of Asturias.
They will be at the events after Infanta Sofía.
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To be honest...I could not see King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofa settling for anything less! After all, they have been majesties for almost 39 years!
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