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Old 01-30-2018, 07:31 AM
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She probably won't. Only the heir to the throne normally receives the Order of the Golden Fleece.

Sofia will probably get the Order of Carlos III as her mother did. Queen consorts BTW don't get the Golden Fleece either. The Spanish Court is still very conservative in certain matters.

I hope pretty soon, it's pretty annoying how many Infantes and Princes who weren't even related to the Spanish Royal Family were made Knights of the Order but the own daughters of the sovereign weren't.

Of course during the reign of Queen Isabella II, she revoked the orders from many Spanish and Portuguese Infantes and foreign princes who were against her rightful reign as Queen of Spain
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When will Sofia receive the order?
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She probably won't. Only the heir to the throne normally receives the Order of the Golden Fleece.
The Order of the Golden Fleece has been bestowed on nearly all male Infantes, but no female Infantas have received it, based on the listing given on this website:

Society of the Golden Fleece

Here is the decree bestowing the Golden Fleece on Infante José de Baviera y Borbón of Spain, a nephew of the King Alfonso XIII, in 1924.

http://boe.es/datos/pdfs/BOE//1924/198/A00376-00376.pdf
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Old 01-30-2018, 08:01 AM
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The Order of the Golden Fleece has been bestowed on nearly all male Infantes, but no female Infantas have received it, based on the listing given on this website:

Society of the Golden Fleece

Here is the decree bestowing the Golden Fleece on Infante José de Baviera y Borbón of Spain, a nephew of the King Alfonso XIII, in 1924.

http://boe.es/datos/pdfs/BOE//1924/198/A00376-00376.pdf
I meant that only the heir to throne receives it now, but, since there has been no new male infante under King Juan Carlos or King Felipe VI, I guess we don't know what the future policy will be.
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I see what you mean now. I agree - the Spanish royal house might reserve the Golden Fleece for heirs to the throne in the future, much as it reserved succession to the HRH title for children of heirs to the throne in 1987.
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I believe all children, regardless of gender should be invested as knights of the Order excluding spouses (male or female)
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The last the order was bestowed was to Enrique V. Iglesias who was made a
Knight of the Order of the Golden Fleece in 2014.

There are now 18 living members with year order was bestowed.

King Felipe VI of Spain (1981)
King Juan Carlos I of Spain (1941)
King Constantine II of Greece (1964)
The King of Sweden (1983)
Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg (1983)
The Emperor of Japan (1985)
Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands (1985)
The Queen of Denmark (1985)
Queen Elizabeth II (1989)
King Albert II of Belgium (1994)
The King of Norway (1995)
Tsar Simeon II of Bulgaria 2004
The Grand Duke of Luxembourg (2007)
Javier Solana (2010)
Víctor García de la Concha (2010)
Nicolas Sarkozy, (2011)
Enrique Valentín Iglesias García (2014)
The Princess of Asturias (2015)

Recent deceased members and year it was awarded

Don Adolfo , Duke of Suarez (2007)
The King Of Thailand (2006)
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia (2007)
Don Carlos,Duke of Calabria (1964)
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With the passing of The Infanta Pilar of Spain there are now only 2 surviving Dames of the Royal Order of Queen Maria Luisa.

HRH The Infanta Margarita, Duchess of Hernani
H.M. Queen Sofia

At the start of King Felipe VI's reign there were 4 surviving dames but 2 have since passed away.

HRH The Infanta Alicia, Dowager Duchess of Calabria (died 2017)
HRH The Infanta Pilar, Duchess of Badajoz,dowager Viscountess de la Torre (Died 2020)
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Orders of the Spanish Royal Family:

The Order of the Toisón de Oro.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...n-de-oro-28779

Royal Order of Noble Ladies of Queen Maria Luisa.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...la-reina-34869

Royal Order of Carlos III.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...rlos-iii-28144

Order of Isabel La Católica.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...catolica-27694
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Orders of the Spanish Royal Family:

The Order of the Toisón de Oro.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...n-de-oro-28779

Royal Order of Noble Ladies of Queen Maria Luisa.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...la-reina-34869

Royal Order of Carlos III.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...rlos-iii-28144

Order of Isabel La Católica.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...catolica-27694


Yes, those are the historic orders that were established before the 20th century and are still considered the highest and most prestigious Spanish honors. I would also add the Royal and Military Order of San Fernando to the list, although it is not a civil order, but a military one.

However, there is also a long list of other civil orders created in the 20th and 21st centuries which are classified as "royal orders" too and whose higher grades are awarded by Royal Decree (lower grades are normally awarded by ministerial order only). For example: the order of Civil Merit, the order of Alfonso X the Wise, the order of San Raimundo de Peñafort, the order of Agrarian Merit (Translation ?), etc.

There is a complete list in the page of "Protocolo y Ceremonial" in the Official State Gazette (B.O.E.). You can also find links in that page to all acts of Parliament and royal decrees regulating titles and membership of the Royal Family, order of precedence, awarding of and succession to Grandeeships of Spain and Titles of the Realm (legally recognized titles of nobility), as well as the statutes of all royal orders, except the Golden Fleece, which officially is still considered a dynastic order, I guess, even though it is awarded by Royal Decree countersigned by the the prime minister and published in the B.O.E. , as any other civil State order



https://boe.es/legislacion/codigos/c...2&nota=0&tab=2
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Orders of the Spanish Royal Family:


Royal Order of Noble Ladies of Queen Maria Luisa.
https://monarquiaespanhola.blogs.sap...la-reina-34869
I'm not sure I'd call this a current Order.

There are only 2 current Dames still alive ,it was never awarded during the reign of King Juan Carlos and so far not during the reign of the King Felipe VI.

Queen Sofia
The Infanta Margarita,Duchess of Soria y Hernani .
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I'm not sure I'd call this a current Order.

There are only 2 current Dames still alive ,it was never awarded during the reign of King Juan Carlos and so far not during the reign of the King Felipe VI.

Queen Sofia
The Infanta Margarita,Duchess of Soria y Hernani .

Technically it is a "dormant" order, i.e. it is no longer awarded, but it has not been officially abolished either. Queen Sofía wore the insignia of the Noble Dames of Queen Maria Luisa at her husband's proclamation ceremony in 1975. I don't know if she ever wore them again.


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I believe all children, regardless of gender should be invested as knights of the Order (of the Golden Fleece) excluding spouses (male or female)

That is a tricky issue. Spanish constitutional law still discriminates against women in the sense that, unlike in other European kingdoms, male preference primogeniture is still observed in the succession to the Crown. In fact, that is rather inconsistent considering that, since 2006, succession to ordinary titles of nobility, regardless of their original Letters Patent (Real Carta), must follow equal primogeniture.



In any case, I don't see a future King awarding the Golden Fleece to his sons, but not to his daughters, and getting away with it without stirring major political controversy. Personally, I think they will follow JC's and Felipe's practice and limit it only to the heir. Under male preference primogeniture, assuming it is kept, that would mean daughters being automatically excluded when they have a brother, but, at least, if the King had more than one son, the younger sons wouldn't get it either so it wouldn't look stricly like gender discrimination,
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