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Old 08-17-2020, 07:32 PM
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Never thought about it that way but yes, I do think you are right that Felipe might have expected different behavior from his son than from his daughter even though they are in the same position as heirs to the throne. However, I wasn't really impressed by Felipe's oath on the constitution when he turned 18... So, it seems he might be preparing his daughter somewhat similar as he himself was prepared.
I think Leonor's oath will be somewhat similar but at the same time it won't. Summing up, Leonor's first speech at Princess of Asturias Awards was different from Felipe's first speech. He lacked emotion, never looked properly to the audience, and it was boring. Leonor's speech was a great improvement from her father's speech. Likewise, I think Leonor's oath will be more "lively" and with more "emotion", at least, let's hope so.


I do think Leonor is better prepared than her father was when he was her age. He was more bored with it all. Felipe has improved a lot over the years, and so will Leonor. I believe she will be a great crown princess and eventually queen.
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Old 08-17-2020, 08:28 PM
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At 14 it’s worrisome if a heir or heiress is not more articulate and outgoing when answering very basic personal questions. Mama is not going to make speeches giving interviews and visit members of the public For her. Or save from awkward situations either. Being a Royal is hard, being a monarch is harder and the media/ public can be harsh And judgmental to Females in very public positions. It can and will take a spine of steel Esp. in a country like Spain.
She is 14. Any teenager is going to get caught off by a question once in a while. Especially when not doing an interview or press conference. Asking the future queen what she wants to do for a career in the future is the most bizarre question I have ever heard. Was probably simply taken off guard by the question which seems redundant. What are you going to do in the future? Be queen???

We have seen her do speeches and planned events. She has shown to be well spoken and articulated. There are grown adults who get nervous while at public events, fiddling with their hair and making weird responses. So I don't see how we can hold a 14 year to higher standards.


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I’ve heard various translations of the question the girl asked but some variation of “do you know what you want to do/study in the future?” should be fairly easy for a girl going on 15 to answer, even a girl in Leonor’s position, (actually, especially a girl in Leonor’s position). “Well, there are certain things I have to study as time goes on but right now I’m really interested in Math, how about you?” Or, “I’m not sure but my favourite subject in school this past year was Biology.. how about you?” Or, “I know I’d like to spend some time studying History, how about you?”
Translated as what do you want to do.

The fact it can be interpreted other ways like you just did with 'what do you wish to study' is exactly the issue she faced. It was a very broad confusing question, and Leonor was caught off guard. I am sure if she had been asked something as simple as what is your favorite subject as you seem to interpret it as, she could have found some class to mention.
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Old 08-18-2020, 01:41 AM
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For what it is worth, I believe that Letizia diligently prepares the Princess and Infanta prior to public appearances, and I think this has backfired unintentionally at times.

I was raised with and taught Cubano Spanish which is a little different, but when I read the articles I wondered if Letizia & Leonor were both expecting possible questions these next few weeks similar to "How would you be a better Queen than your Grandfather? or similar. If anything, I think they were confused by the question, then panicked, and then Letizia assumed the worst, so she jumped in to 'take the hit' so to speak. Rather than what will do you do when you are older- more "What are you going to do?" (and assumed it was meant in comparison to less savory coverage of the Royal family recently).

(Incidently, I thought part of the Easter 'tiff was also from overpreparation- I believe, having watched the Easter coverage for many years, that the Princess & Infanta are coached to not pose for group pictures inside the church, and to keep the greetings speedy and light while exiting. When Queen Sofia pulled Leonor in (for what looked like) a posed picture, I really do think Leonor was reacting out of instinct over her instructions (don't take pictures, keep it moving), more than any issue with her Grandmother. They all certainly seemed fine just seconds later outside posing for pictures. I come from a loud, loving Cuban family, and we have had very public blowups over far less that ended in screaming and yelling.)

Personally, I think the most important part of raising a future monarch is to instill them with the correct values and morals, along with a sense of humility and duty to their country. If Leonor's interview skills need growth, I think there is still an abundant amount of time and opportunity to develop them. I also believe it is important to expose future monarchs to public speaking as the grow up so they can learn and improve.
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Old 08-18-2020, 05:05 AM
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The question was "What do you want to be when you grow up?" (as it is asked in Spanish when expecting a profession as an answer, as far as I as a foreign language speaker of Spanish know - feel free to correct me if that isn't true!), not "what do you want to study?" or "what is your favorite subject at school?"

For most 14 year-olds that may be easy enough to answer (though many would probably say I don't know), it is precisely because Leonor is an heir to the throne and the Spanish monarchy is in such a precarious situation that this is in fact a very loaded question. And the fact that she was unsure what to answer does not show her ineptitude but her awareness of the situation in my opinion.

There would have been no right answer. If her dream was to become a doctor, she could not say so. If she thinks it is wonderful to be Spain's future Queen or even if she would personally prefer a different life, "I want to be Queen" or even "It will be my honour to one day serve as Spain's Queen" could be perceived as too arrogant when she will only be Queen if the Spanish people wish for it to be so, and that is in doubt right now.

I think what is perceived as Leonor's shyness is probably a result of the great pressure that she is under, the huge cautiousness that is expected of her, the perfection. She of all people is expected to be the one heir who does not make even the smallest of mistakes, because her throne is in danger like no other, but then, at age 14, that cautiousness is not supposed to show even a little?

It's not even like she is thaat shy. She smiles, she waves, she shakes hands (or did pre-corona) and talks to strangers all the time. It's not like she is literally hiding behind her mother, refusing to approach people, open her mouth or look at the cameras. There is some cautiousness to her demeanor but to me, that is no indication at all that she will be a shy Queen. She is 14, only 14, there is still a lot of time for her to grow, grow up, make new and different experiences at school, university, perhaps with the military and at royal engagements. I also hope that she will get the chance to have some fun with friends and be carefree.

These girls are also performing more royal engagements than any of the other Royal European teenagers, I don't know why they are judged so harshly on here.
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Old 08-18-2020, 05:57 AM
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It's not only about Leonor not answering but Letizia stepping in the - typical - way she did, with a jibe or a provocation. She could have said something nice, done a counterquestion etc but to say “It's what she has to be when she grows up, not what she wants to be,” imo shows a lot of frustration or bitterness towards Leonor's future world, that has caused Letizia so many nightmares that her daughter cannot escape from, because she is not free to do what she likes.
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Old 08-18-2020, 06:08 AM
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The question was "What do you want to be when you grow up?" (as it is asked in Spanish when expecting a profession as an answer, as far as I as a foreign language speaker of Spanish know - feel free to correct me if that isn't true!), not "what do you want to study?" or "what is your favorite subject at school?"



I wish I could see the footage to understand the context better, but if the question was indeed "What do you want to be when you grow up?", then it is indeed a tricky question for her.



I take that type of question to mean what job you would like to have when you are an adult (i.e. whether one wants to be a doctor, a lawyer, a teacher, etc.) . Remember when Prince William, I think, when he was a teenager, inadvertently said he didn't want to be king and what the reaction to that statement was. If Leonor had mentioned any specific "job" , there could be a similar reaction and there is in fact no job Leonor could mention that would adequately answer that question.



Even if Leonor had answered that she just wanted to be "a good queen" , that is not up to her to say now because, whereas she will probably be queen one day, she does not control the timing thereof and there is a nonzero probability, however small, that she might never be queen (Prince Charles is 71 and is not king yet). In any case, she will have "grown up" probably long before she is queen and, in between, her adult life job will be that of Princess of Asturias, which she already is legally and has been since 2014.


If the question was instead "what do you want to do" rather than "be", then I guess there could be multiple possible answers, such as "I want to help people", "I want to go to university and spend some time in the military" , or something like that, but, "what do you want to be" is rather difficult to answer on the fly. Maybe she could have said something harmless and funny like "a gold medallist" (after all, many relatives of hers, including her father when he was prince, were olympic athletes), but it is unlikely she would think of that.
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:11 AM
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These girls are also performing more royal engagements than any of the other Royal European teenagers, I don't know why they are judged so harshly on here.
I agree. Among the underage heirs, Leonor, along with Crown Prince Moulay Hassan, are the ones who perform more royal engagements. For a 14 year old, she has accomplished a lot. At that age, I still played with Lego and never did speeches or greeted thousands of strangers. She is doing fairly fine so far, and not answering a question shows how aware she is of the implications her answer could bring. She played it safe and for a very good reason.


As for Letizia, that's a different matter. She could've said it with other words. Her response was harsh and cold. She could've mentioned the vacations, or school, or future university plans. Something trivial but not too harsh.
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:50 AM
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I agree. Among the underage heirs, Leonor, along with Crown Prince Moulay Hassan, are the ones who perform more royal engagements. For a 14 year old, she has accomplished a lot. At that age, I still played with Lego and never did speeches or greeted thousands of strangers. She is doing fairly fine so far, and not answering a question shows how aware she is of the implications her answer could bring. She played it safe and for a very good reason.


As for Letizia, that's a different matter. She could've said it with other words. Her response was harsh and cold. She could've mentioned the vacations, or school, or future university plans. Something trivial but not too harsh.

Exactly! Whenever I read criticism of Leonor, I think of myself at 14 and if she is considered shy, I must have been something else 14 is so young, there is plenty of time to accomplish things still and as you say, she has already accomplished so much.

I agree that Letizia's response sounded rude and it was just not the right thing to say in a room full of disadvantaged kids from a social project. Being the heir in a monarchy that is in danger of being abolished and a country so divided is not at all easy and I don't envy Leonor one bit. But to make it sound so burdensome in front of teenagers from a disadvantaged background... is just not a good idea. To them, Leonor's life must seem wonderfully privileged and fairytale perfect.

I think Letizia was in a bad mood? Apparently she also responded "I can't hear you" when a reporter outside asked where Juan Carlos was?
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Old 08-18-2020, 10:50 AM
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Letizia wasn't wrong in saying what she did, though. That's mostly what being royal is. Consider exhibit A: in the last few days Grandpa JC has done what he wants and is now causing untold embarrassment to everybody. You can't blame Letizia if wanting to emphasize that Leonor knows her duty is to Spain – and she is darn well going to do it come hell, high water, or anything else she wants – was uppermost in her mind. Yes, she could have said something lighter or friendlier but maybe that's not the mood any of them are in right now.
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Old 08-18-2020, 11:44 AM
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Letizia wasn't wrong in saying what she did, though. That's mostly what being royal is. Consider exhibit A: in the last few days Grandpa JC has done what he wants and is now causing untold embarrassment to everybody. You can't blame Letizia if wanting to emphasize that Leonor knows her duty is to Spain – and she is darn well going to do it come hell, high water, or anything else she wants – was uppermost in her mind. Yes, she could have said something lighter or friendlier but maybe that's not the mood any of them are in right now.

To confront people with your mood is not the royal way, Felipe would never have made such a comment, he was too well groomed for that by his mother.
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Queen Sofia and Princess Irene with Princess Tatiana Radziwill and her husband in Palma de Mallorca.

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Old 08-19-2020, 07:15 PM
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Great to see that she is spending time with her best friend (and second cousin).
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Here are some more photos of Queen Sofia and Princess Irene in Palma yesterday:



** diezminutos article: La reina Sofía reaparece en Mallorca tras la marcha de los Reyes y sus hijas **


** semana article: Doña Sofía reaparece en Palma de Mallorca para disfrutar de una tarde de compras..**
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Really lovely to see queen Sofia with Princesses Irene and Tatiana!
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Who will be this man who is in this picture with Queen Sofia, Tatiana Radziwiłł and her husband? Is it Alexis Fruchaud, Tatiana's son?

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He's too old to be Tatiana's son.
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He's too old to be Tatiana's son.
I'm talking about the man in the white blouse. He don't look old to me. I think Tatiana's son is little younger than Philip VI.
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Alexis is 50 years of age (turning 51 in November); so I agree that the man in the picture could be their son.
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Old 08-20-2020, 10:57 AM
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Alexis is 50 years of age (turning 51 in November); so I agree that the man in the picture could be their son.

He looks older than 50 or 51 to me, but looks can be deceptive.
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Queen Sofía has participated in the release of a turtle in the port of Mallorca with Princess Irene and Tatiana Radziwill.


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