Relationships between Members of the Spanish Royal Family

[PetticoatLane]

Letizia went way, way over the top when her mother-in-law tried to have a picture taken with her granddaughters - apparently by the official royal photographer of all people! I mean how dare she That pic may never have seen the light of day publicly as we all know the RFs don't issue every pic taken by their own photographers on public occasions.

We also know that royals will use photos taken publicly for their own private enjoyment - we know that Kate and William have their own copy of her holding George during his 'playdate' as a baby in NZ.

Why on earth should a picture not be taken of a doting grandmother personally with her two young granddaughters, whom we are led to believe she doesn't see very often, especially given thousands of other photos had already been taken that day and would be later? Juan Carlos was in all those pose shots of the family, maybe she prefers not to have one privately with him?

I just do not understand this control freakery of Letizia, it is utterly bizarre.

I will take a different opinion on Marie Chantal than most - for once it was kind of refreshing to hear a 'royal' be honest in public! She knows she's never going to be an actual royal and so has got on with her life by all accounts, why should she not publicly defend a family member who's clearly been publicly humiliated in a pretty painful way? Points for candour in my book.

[hofburg]

Originally Posted by wyevale

She is his LEGAL wife, and therefore the Queen of Spain. You may not approve of her, but undeniably she is THE Queen. That is her 'viability'...

Although you have qoutted my message, your wording had no connection to it's content.

This thread has dealt mostly with the last incident and all its remifications. I've stated that "I have yet to read a single viable argument in favor of the current monarch's spouse" and indeed I've not.

The monarch's spouse current title has nothing to do with the "arguments" made by her fans here.

[alvinking]

"Si no quieres que los abuelos se hagan fotos con las niñas, no las traigas"

This is what HM King Don Juan Carlos supposedly told his son and daughter in law. wow

[Denville]

Originally Posted by alvinking

"Si no quieres que los abuelos se hagan fotos con las niñas, no las traigas"

This is what HM King Don Juan Carlos supposedly told his son and daughter in law. wow

Sorry but could you please translate?

[Denville]

Originally Posted by hofburg

Although you have qoutted my message, your wording had no connection to it's content.

This thread has dealt mostly with the last incident and all its remifications. I've stated that "I have yet to read a single viable argument in favor of the current monarch's spouse" and indeed I've not.

The monarch's spouse current title has nothing to do with the "arguments" made by her fans here.

I assume that it means that Letiizia is the Kings wife.. and the queen. So people who are apparently calling for him to divorce her, are out of line...

[Somebody]

Translation of Juan Carlos' words: if you don't want the grandparents to take pictures with the girls, don't bring them.

[Gawin]

If I understand this article correctly - I'm using Google Translate - Letizia didn't want pictures taken because she "tries to distinguish between what is work and what is private life" and at that time her granddaughters were working.

But for Sofia "that line does not exist, since in her private life she continues practically doing the same as in the official one."

The article also discusses the relationship between Felipe & Letizia and the rest of the Spanish royal family.

https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes...7721381_0.html

[hofburg]

Originally Posted by Denville

I assume that it means that Letiizia is the Kings wife.. and the queen. So people who are apparently calling for him to divorce her, are out of line...

This thread was in no way dominated by this alleged call for him to divorce her. Some posters have mentioned it being posted on social media. So I'm a bit puzzled as to how my words could have been construed to address it.

I'll repeat my words:
"This thread has dealt mostly with the last incident and all its ramifications. I've stated that "I have yet to read a single viable argument in favor of the current monarch's spouse" and indeed I've not."

[lula]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Translation of Juan Carlos' words: if you don't want the grandparents to take pictures with the girls, don't bring them.

Yes, according to Salvame, the most yellow and crappy gossip tv program in Spain. The source has enormous credibility.

Really, some criticize the Spaniards and you are copying the worst of their gossip press that lacks credibility ... for this and for any subject.

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by miss whirley

... Now they question Felipe. If he can't handle a turbulent family how can he handle a turbulent Spain? ...

Many people asked the same question about his father. Seriously, I have never known anyone that "controlled" their family. I've known bullies, badgerers, influencers, parents that threatened, coerced, held hostage, gave freedom, enabled, embattled, embittered, loved, loathed, hovered and ignored family. But I have never met anyone that controlled their family.

And it has likewise been my experience that turbulence happens. Effective rulers take measures to calm the turbulence and give hope, but they rarely are able to anticipate and hold off turbulence before it happens. JMO

[Queen Claude]

When it comes to Easter in Mallorca, is it clear who are the hosts and who are the guests?

Is it the King and his family's event and they are joined by other relatives, or is it the Queen Mother's event and her son, the current King, attends to continue a tradition that pre-dates his ascension?

[Elektra]

Letizia has hardly set a foot wrong during her 14 years as a royal. She makes one mistake and suddenly she is the vilest of all ? Incredible.

And about Felipe supposedly not being able to reign on Spain if he can't even his family : I really fail to see a link between the two. Is someone who has family troubles really unable to do a good professionnal job ? I don't think so...

[wyevale]

about Felipe supposedly not being able to reign on Spain if he can't even his family

One would have to be a 'dyed in the wool' Republican not to consider that Felipe VI has done a good job since his accession..

[wyevale]

she is the vilest of all ?

In reality that accolade goes to the Infanta Cristina.. brought up by that matchless paragon of virtue 'Santa Sofia'...

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by lula

Yes, according to Salvame, the most yellow and crappy gossip tv program in Spain. The source has enormous credibility.

Really, some criticize the Spaniards and you are copying the worst of their gossip press that lacks credibility ... for this and for any subject.

I was just answering Denville's question who asked for a translation (of a quote I didn't post). Not sure how that makes me the one copying the worst gossip press available on this and other subjects...

Thanks in advance for taking that accusation back.

[tommy100]

Originally Posted by Somebody

Translation of Juan Carlos' words: if you don't want the grandparents to take pictures with the girls, don't bring them.

Though I understand the source is not reliable, these may be the most sensible words spoken about the whole thing.

If Letizia had an issue with Sofia being photographed with the girls then this event just should not have happened. Why invite the grandparents then stop them being photographed with them? It makes no sense, if Letizia is unhappy then she should work behind the scenes to stop Sofia and Juan Carlos attending. Certainly it seems at odds with Juan Carlos attending for the first time in years.

It Letizia really does want a difference between official and private that makes no sense at all in these circumstances. Is she seriously suggesting she is happy for them to be photographed outside the church but not inside, do those 10 yards really make all the difference? (especially as its been said elsewhere Letizia and the girls were pictured at the altar- major double standards if true) If Letizia is that pedantic then there are much bigger issues at play.

Most people aren't making a fuss about this one incident, its a moment in time and everyone has a moment where it looks like they have done something wrong. The reason its being talked about so much is that its indicative of a much bigger issue inside the Royal Family.

[Somebody]

For clarification: The 'them' referred to the girls (which is clear in Spanish as them was female) who shouldn't have brought not to excluding Sofia (for whom this mass is far more important than for Letizia) and Juan Carlos.

[lula]

Queen Sofía is the only one in the family who wishes to spend Holy Week in Mallorca. King Felipe and his family only go there the weekend for the mass and the photo... and they do not do it because they like it, but so that Sofia can continue occupying the palace.

The problem is that Marivent is not a private property of the Royal Family, nor is it even owned by the State.

The family arrived in Mallorca by an agreement between the government of the islands and King Juan Carlos ... the Royal Family promoted the islands and the local government paid for the palace. The situation was and still is controversial, because the palace was donated by the family of a painter who wanted it to become a museum.

Sofía has always invited there who she has wanted, her relatives have spent vacations there ... something that the relatives of Juan Carlos or Letizia have not done.

The problem is that with the years, Juan Carlos and the local politicians ended up turning Marivent into a Zarzuela Palace 2 that grew in an exaggerated way. They even reformed nearby buildings that belonged to the army, and made smaller houses for Felipe and his sisters. King Felipe and his family do not occupy Marivent, but Son Vent.

In the end it was with those same politicians from Mallorca with whom Urdangarin did his illicit business.

After the scandals, and Sofia being the only one who spends now long seasons there, the maintenance of that palace is unsustainable for the use that is given to it. King Felipe reached an agreement with the government of the islands, and now the gardens are open to the public when Sofia is not there. That will calm the situation for a while.

He wants to respect that his mother Sofía loves that palace, but for that, he and his family are obliged to go to Mallorca and attend to the press.

If Sofia wants to continue spending long periods in Mallorca, and invite her relatives, or Cristina and Iñaki without problems ... the best thing would be to buy or rent a private house.

[carlota]

it has been a week and this is all spain is still talking about. new videos of the fight have surfaced, there's whatsapp jokes on this (whatsapp is used a lot in spain), hundreds of 'memes' and even a facebook app that lets you add letizia's back, ruining your profile picture - some of my spanish friends have used it (app is called 'letizia "Jodefotos" Ortiz', which translates roughly as letizia 'photoruiner' ortiz - you can check what it looks like here: https://www.rockandpop.cl/2018/04/ah...a-como-filtro/)

so yes, it seems that this 'incident' has had enormous resonance for spain and spanish people who are sick and tired of their corrupt institutions which place people in situations of power which they abuse.

letizia should know better, as an ex journalist, what power something so minimal can have and behave appropriately.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Denville

Sorry but could you please translate?

If you don't want the grandparents to take pictures with the girls, don't bring them along.