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Old 04-06-2018, 06:52 PM
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Oh Lord....!!

I will ask again....where are her friends/defenders??!!!

ETA: Okay. I read the entire thing...not as negative as I thought it would be. But she's definitely pro-Sofia.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:54 PM
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At least Leonor was defended.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:54 PM
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Olivia de Borbon is a Spanish noble so its no surprise I didn't think she said anything too bad but there was praise for queen Sofia.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:56 PM
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Do you thnk that would be a tragedy for her?
I mean if you grew up knowing you will be a future Queen and accepted it and one day you will not wouldn't you think its a tragedy?
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:56 PM
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You speak as if Letizia had arrived at a happy and perfectly normal family, where everyone maintained an idyllic relationship... and not to an unstructured family with complicated dynamics.

Juan Carlos with Corinna, Elena on the brink of divorce, and Iñaki with his business ... it was not a good scenario. Jaime and Iñaki did not have a good relationship, Elena only got closer to her sister after the divorce, but before they made different lives.

Jaime and Letizia connected well, and perhaps some things would have been different if he had not left the family.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:57 PM
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At the end of the day, Letizia’s biggest supporter is the only one who matters. The King.

If the Spanish monarchy is so fragile that it depends on the current Queen getting along with her mother in law, maybe it deserves to collapse.
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Old 04-06-2018, 06:57 PM
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Game of Throne fans will enjoy this from El Mumdo

Letizia as the Iron Queen.

https://twitter.com/hitzeder11/statu...43a8b4599.html
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:00 PM
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People do not assume that Felipe is like his father, as people do not assume that Sofia is like Federika. So it is absurd to say that people assume that Leonor is like her mother, is a girl who will grow and make her own way.
In the last few days I've seen several references to Sofia being like her mother Frederika (by those who favor Letizia over Sofia; so it's not meant as a compliment - just like the idea that Leonor is like her mother is not to be interpreted as a compliment).

I certainly hope that Leonor will be given some freedom to explore who she is and wants to be - given the restrictions that her role brings and the perceived restrictions imposed on her by her mother.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:05 PM
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Game of Throne fans will enjoy this from El Mumdo

Letizia as the Iron Queen.

https://twitter.com/hitzeder11/statu...43a8b4599.html
Actually, I kindda like Cersei.
Especially when she blew up the temple and revenged herself on the nun. I was waiting for her to deliver some serious payback. - She's a mean b*tch, but she's our mean b*tch.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:05 PM
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At least Leonor was defended.
As well she should have been. The most painful thing about this entire debacle is seeing a child of 12 caught in the middle of two adults she loves who she must be sensitive enough to know do not get along.

And rarely are children of that age emotionally sophisticated enough not feel guilty that they are somehow the cause since the conflict centered on them.

This is exacerbated by the abuse being hurled at the young princess on social media which I pray she will not find out about.

I feel like giving everyone involved a slap and a time out....except the child.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:06 PM
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Olivia de Borbón, a woman who participated in a horrible reality show called "La Granja".

Luis Medina, grandson of the Duchess of Medinacelli, thinks that it was Sofia who acted badly, that now the queen is Letizia and that Sofia must adapt.

https://www.vanitatis.elconfidencial...tizia_1545949/
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:09 PM
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Good grief! Are everyone and their budgies within the extended family commenting on this?!?
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:11 PM
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To me it all boils down to Letizia being too controlling of her daughters. This clip is an incident I talked about earlier, at the ceremony of abdication Letizia glared at the girls and told them how to set their hands to sit "properly". At the time I thought it was kinda charming Letizia wanted them to sit properly. But looking at it again, its another example of her being controlling of her girls and their image. When you look at the clip there is nothing wrong with the way either of the girls are sitting so why 'correct' them?
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:11 PM
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At the end of the day, Letizia’s biggest supporter is the only one who matters. The King.



If the Spanish monarchy is so fragile that it depends on the current Queen getting along with her mother in law, maybe it deserves to collapse.


I agree and I think he needs to show that support
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:17 PM
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Good grief! Are everyone and their budgies within the extended family commenting on this?!?


Ha ha they need to zip it. It’s become a pick a side
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:21 PM
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Thank you, Lula, for the following post. You have put this whole thing into a context. On its own the 'dust-up' seems way over the top, but seen as a generational issue, it makes sense. Thank you. Great perspective supplied.

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Yesterday in a radio program they made two teams ... those who supported Sofia were generally older people ... who supported Letizia young people.

For the elderly, Sofía is a woman who endured Juan Carlos because it was her obligation ... for young women, Sofia gave a very bad example doing it.

For some Sofia is a professional because she was born a princess ... for others Letizia is a professional because before she has worked and has lived in real life.

Sofia will always be the queen who criticized homosexuals ... Letizia who opened the palace doors to them.

Sofia is the queen of post-Francoism (has been surrounded by people close to Opus Dei)... Letizia the queen of the 21st century ... and social change in Spain has been brutal.

Society changes, and regardless of whether people are conservative or progressive there are things that according to age are seen differently. It is true that young people are usually the most progressive, and also the most republican ... but it is also true that these people grow and mature ... and they can change their ideas , but not with the same values as the adults of today.

Operation Triunfo is a musical contest that triumphed 15 years ago in Spain and had a big success. A few months ago they decided to broadcast it again, and the people were quite pessimistic about whether they would succeed years later. The program has been a huge success, and it has been because it has managed to connect with the values that young people and a large part of the people now defend.

Spain moves between two generations ... those that were born in the Franco regime and grew up in it and with the principle of democracy, and those that were born fully in democracy... and the differences go much further than the different political ideologies.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:22 PM
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To me it all boils down to Letizia being too controlling of her daughters. This clip is an incident I talked about earlier, at the ceremony of abdication Letizia glared at the girls and told them how to set their hands to sit "properly". At the time I thought it was kinda charming Letizia wanted them to sit properly. But looking at it again, its another example of her being controlling of her girls and their image. When you look at the clip there is nothing wrong with the way either of the girls are sitting so why 'correct' them?
Yes, I remember this very well and that death glare stayed with me.

It wouldn't have bothered me nearly so much if it was countered with images of the Infantitas playing, laughing, giggling, throwing a tantrum romping with their pets(do those poor girls even have a pet??! )and being as spontaneous and charming as you often see the Royal children of Britain, Sweden, Belgium and Denmark.

But I don't remember ever seeing those images from Leo and Sofia. Every beautiful hair in place, impeccably dressed, and looking perfectly under control in every photograph.

Just like their mother.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:44 PM
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The amount of attention and anger over this is insane. Like... wow! LOL This woman must be the devil in designer clothing judging by the way everyone is on her. Jesus, priorities.
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:44 PM
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I saw the videos of the incident i was stunned the two ladies handle this very badly both of them..what on earth they were thinking making a show of them selves in public they are supposed to be above this
Now the main point here is why Queen Letizia feel the urge to interfere in situation betwezn her daugthters and their grandmother?
do Queen Sofia had a history of bad behavior with her grandchildren? Mandhandle them pmaybe? if so i can understand Lerizia if no i'll say she overeacted and acted like controlling freak
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Old 04-06-2018, 07:52 PM
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I agree with some posters here that Leonor needs to start attending some events, and if she attends with her father only, it will greatly benefit the family. If she appeared with her father, lets say, next week (an example), I'm sure this current problem will slowly fade out.
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