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Old 04-04-2018, 03:42 AM
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Twitter Spain is SLAUGHTERING Letizia, she's not very liked and virtually everyone respects Queen Sofía, so things are not looking good for her in the PR department tbh.
She's perceived as lazy, as if she lacks dedication to the Crown, as an overbearing mother that doesn't allow her daughters to interact with the royal side but only with her own family.
Not good at all.
And no, this doesn't have to do anything with Cristina or Iñaki, this family has been broken for a long time and the fact that the former King and Queen haven't been able to fully retire and have to show up for nearly everything is a proof that the current ones are not up to the task yet, which is terrible for Spain's stability.
Again this post shows there are as many Spains as Spaniards

In my corner of Spain there was a general opinion of Felipe being more apt to the job than his father by the time he abdicated and from that on, and the one that is perceived as lazy and "living la vida loca" with luxury trips, friends and expensive restaurants is and having to show more commitement to the institution lately to "rehabilitate" himself in the public opinion is precisely JC.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:43 AM
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Another thing ... if the family continues attending this Mass and posing for the photographers, it is because Sofía wants it. Sofia and her sister spend these days on vacation in Palma, and although the rest of the Royal Family does not, they go to this mass so that the press has their photos and nobody questions the use of the palace by Sofia.

If King Felipe continues to maintain the agreement for the use of Marivent is for Queen Sofia ... I think that for him and Letizia, it would be easier and better for their image to reach another type of agreement.

As long as they actually use it during the entire Summer holidays and don't run off to "exotic" destinations we have no idea where (with taxpayer money and military planes of course), I wouldn't mind that.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:47 AM
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Of course some people can continue attacking Letizia, but one thing she didn't do was dragging Felipe down, actually now Felipe is extremely popular. Felipe has always been a good person. since he married Letizia, he has improved his speeches, his communication skill, most importantly, Felipe is secure enough to make his own decisions even though it was against the will of his parents (ex. Inaki's business scandal at the beginning). Felipe is no longer a Mama's boy, he is a man now. Letizia also has a strong personality, but in the family Felipe is the one with the last word.
I have heard this as well.

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It's exactly like that, and obviously that's done in purpose. In the first video that initiated the scandal you just watched Letizia walking in front of the group with no context.
There is some serious animus towards them to go to this trouble with a video.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:48 AM
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Again this post shows there are as many Spains as Spaniards

In my corner of Spain there was a general opinion of Felipe being more apt to the job than his father by the time he abdicated and from that on, and the one that is perceived as lazy and "living la vida loca" with luxury trips, friends and expensive restaurants is and having to show more commitement to the institution lately to "rehabilitate" himself in the public opinion is precisely JC.
LMAO we're one weird country.

Felipe has been sold as "El Preparado" (the "ready") since I have memory (think I was born the year Neil Armstrong walked on the moon so I'm virtually contemporary with Felipe) but he didn't choose a wife that was up to his "mega" level (or what he was sold for).

I mean, we were ALL expecting something COMPLETELY different (a Mathilde/Máxima kind of woman), let's not say we weren't because we were

Juancar nowadays is seen as an old geezer burning up his last candle, we all know about his shady deals with Morocco and Saudi Arabia, about his SERIAL infidelity, about everything he's done but people are just like meh, he doesn't have much time left so whatever
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:52 AM
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Another thing ... if the family continues attending this Mass and posing for the photographers, it is because Sofía wants it. Sofia and her sister spend these days on vacation in Palma, and although the rest of the Royal Family does not, they go to this mass so that the press has their photos and nobody questions the use of the palace by Sofia.

If King Felipe continues to maintain the agreement for the use of Marivent is for Queen Sofia ... I think that for him and Letizia, it would be easier and better for their image to reach another type of agreement.
Well, they have to pose somewhere, not sure what Mallorca has to do with it. If they don't pose in Palma anymore, where do they pose?

Monarchy is not only 'work', you do your events and leave and have your private life, you have to somehow show yourself in 'fluff' events, connect with the people and yes, please the media because they play they role as well in promoting the happy family image. I know Letizia stands for the 'serious' journalism, only controlled appearances and events with depth but this is not how the world works and she won't be able to protect her daughters from real life out there.

We only see the family at Easter in Palma, in Palma again in the summer, on National Day and on a Christmas Card, please correct me if I forgot an event, if you scrap Palma what remains? If 'silly' posing is out of the question, the concept of the monarchy is not the right tool for this family.
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:52 AM
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Well, they have to pose somewhere, not sure what Mallorca has to do with it. If they don't pose in Palma anymore, where do they pose?

Monarchy is not only 'work', you do your events and leave and have your private life, you have to somehow show yourself in 'fluff' events, connect with the people and yes, please the media because they play they role as well in promoting the happy family image. I know Letizia stands for the 'serious' journalism, only controlled appearances and events with depth but this is not how the world works and she won't be able to protect her daughters from real life out there.

We only see the family at Easter in Palma, in Palma again in the summer, on National Day and on a Christmas Card, please correct me if I forgot an event, if you scrap Palma what remains? If 'silly' posing is out of the question, the concept of the monarchy is not the right tool for this family.
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Old 04-04-2018, 04:18 AM
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Of course some people can continue attacking Letizia, but one thing she didn't do was dragging Felipe down, actually now Felipe is extremely popular. Felipe has always been a good person. since he married Letizia, he has improved his speeches, his communication skill, most importantly, Felipe is secure enough to make his own decisions even though it was against the will of his parents (ex. Inaki's business scandal at the beginning). Felipe is no longer a Mama's boy, he is a man now. Letizia also has a strong personality, but in the family Felipe is the one with the last word.
Yes, but where a Máxima or a Mary certainly uplifted their husbands, we can say that Letizia does not have that effect.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:04 AM
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Máxima and Mary had mothers-in-law who were Heads of State, from the first moment they became First Ladies, and they did not have mothers-in-law or sisters of royal blood with whom to share an agenda.

Letizia took years to take center stage, and that has been a drag ... and now the beginnings of Felipe's reign are not being easy, and she remains a secondary priority. The Spanish government is much more restrictive with international activities ... and Letizia is being more active than Sofia was.

Duke, they can simply replace one model with another, now that girls have grown up is easier. With her first official photo, the delivery of the Golden Fleece ... it is evident that Leonor is entering a more active phase of public life. This year there are high expectations of a visit to Asturias. Beyond posed for photographers, we are seeing her in public activities of more relevance to her future role.

They have to create their own model, and stop being tied to a model created by Juan Carlos and Sofia that few already share. Neither going to Marivent for a few days, nor a mass that is private but where there are photographers, nor the Mass on Easter Sunday instead of Palm Sunday (much more familiar and suitable for children) .... make sense.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:28 AM
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I suppose prince Felipe needed less 'uplifting' than some other (former) heirs . I find the assumption that the wife is responsible for how the husband behaves rather archaic.

Of the royals only prince Laurent engages in public spectacles. So this little incident comes as a surprise -from both Queens. Of course they wouldn't be the first mother-in-law/daughter-in-law that have some irritations....

I think it is best to stay away from critisizing minors, especially as we do not know the entire story.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:44 AM
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I don't think anyone in their sane mind should or would rightfully criticize Leonor.

In the video the young girls were fine walking with their grandmother until Letizia came along. Now I obviously couldn't hear the exchange of words but the reaction on Queen Sofia's face and Leonor's sudden decision to throw all hands off her made it seem that it was not a good encounter.

The farewell video only makes things worse. I am seeing a grandmother who cleverly knows that pics with the girls are good PR. But I am also seeing a mother who seems a bit overbearing and controlling. In the farewell images it seemed like Letizia was on Sofia's heels. Sofia kissed Leonor and Letizia came over to stroke Leonor's hair, Sofia moves to go to Sofia Jr. and Letizia follows.

Whatever contention and strife exists among the two women:

1. It is not fair to bring the girls in the middle.
2. They must handle the public situation better. Perhaps they should keep a healthy distance from each other.
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Old 04-04-2018, 05:46 AM
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Actually the only "conflict" is between oppressive grandmother and overwhelmed granddaughter. The rest is pure fiction.

Please watch the full videos, and not the clipped video. The story is very different.

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Old 04-04-2018, 05:49 AM
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Okay, I have to admit that this clip from Daily Mail, does show that Leonor does not wish to have her grandmother's hand on her: 'Tense scene' between Letizia of Spain and Queen Sofia in Mallorca | Daily Mail Online

Of course we can speculate endless as to why, so unless it happens or has happened more often, it could be caused by anything IMO.

ADDED: Marie Chantal's remark is astonishing IMO!!
What on earth would possess her to say anything like that in public?!?
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Old 04-04-2018, 06:48 AM
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Máxima and Mary had mothers-in-law who were Heads of State, from the first moment they became First Ladies, and they did not have mothers-in-law or sisters of royal blood with whom to share an agenda.

Letizia took years to take center stage, and that has been a drag ... and now the beginnings of Felipe's reign are not being easy, and she remains a secondary priority. The Spanish government is much more restrictive with international activities ... and Letizia is being more active than Sofia was.

Duke, they can simply replace one model with another, now that girls have grown up is easier. With her first official photo, the delivery of the Golden Fleece ... it is evident that Leonor is entering a more active phase of public life. This year there are high expectations of a visit to Asturias. Beyond posed for photographers, we are seeing her in public activities of more relevance to her future role.

They have to create their own model, and stop being tied to a model created by Juan Carlos and Sofia that few already share. Neither going to Marivent for a few days, nor a mass that is private but where there are photographers, nor the Mass on Easter Sunday instead of Palm Sunday (much more familiar and suitable for children) .... make sense.

If the Spanish Royal Family are devout Catholics, as I assume they are, it is expected that they would go to Mass on Easter, the most important date of the Christian calendar. Masses are public events that take place in public places, so it is understandable that there will be people cheering when they leave the church and photographers taking pictures.

I think it is a stretch to suggest that the SRF goes to church on Easter Sunday just as a publicity stunt, or to suit the needs of Queen Sofia. In any case, if it was a PR stunt, it backfired completely thanks to Letizia’s unreasonable reaction to an innocent and harmless picture.
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Old 04-04-2018, 07:17 AM
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What a brutality, I'm shocked... I Wonder what the presenter says
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Old 04-04-2018, 07:42 AM
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Mbruno... the Spanish monarchy can be very Catholic at home and at funerals.

According to the Spanish Constitution, the Spanish State is non-denominational ... contrary to what happens in other monarchies, neither the Head of State is the head of the Church of the Country nor is it required by law to advocate a religion. The assistance of the Royal Family to this Mass is called private, and there is not even an official convocation.

The girls were very calm and happy, greeting people.

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Actually the only "conflict" is between oppressive grandmother and overwhelmed granddaughter. The rest is pure fiction.

Please watch the full videos, and not the clipped video. The story is very different.

I disagree, there was some kind of interaction between Sofia and Letizia and not a pleasant one, you can see it in Sofia's face and Felipe getting involved.

Yes, Leonor was overwhelmed hence her reaction, but the 2 women are supposed to be professionals who know better.
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Old 04-04-2018, 07:59 AM
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According to the Spanish Constitution, the Spanish State is non-denominational ... contrary to what happens in other monarchies, neither the Head of State is the head of the Church of the Country nor is it required by law to advocate a religion. The assistance of the Royal Family to this Mass is called private, and there is not even an official convocation.

If it's private, I wonder why they have put it on their website as activity all these years.
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Okay, I have to admit that this clip from Daily Mail, does show that Leonor does not wish to have her grandmother's hand on her: 'Tense scene' between Letizia of Spain and Queen Sofia in Mallorca | Daily Mail Online

Of course we can speculate endless as to why, so unless it happens or has happened more often, it could be caused by anything IMO.

ADDED: Marie Chantal's remark is astonishing IMO!!
What on earth would possess her to say anything like that in public?!?
The greek family is supports Sofia and supports Cristina, one can speculate if this is the opinion of her FIL.
From the beginning there was a bad start between Letizia and Constantine, he mocked Letizia for her bad english and didn't like Felipe's choice, maybe only voicing what his sister thought but couldn't say.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:16 AM
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I made some screenshots of the - well incident - in order to get a better understanding of the sequence and especially the body language of those involved. As such I also included the two Kings.

https://app.box.com/s/wbc7ydhqzwl5z36pvv89cql6xco67zho

I have formed two theories as to what happened, which I'll keep to myself for the time being, suffice to say there are two persons I do not blame of anything; the girls.

ADDED: The screenshots have now been renamed, so they are chronological.
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I disagree, there was some kind of interaction between Sofia and Letizia and not a pleasant one, you can see it in Sofia's face and Felipe getting involved.

Yes, Leonor was overwhelmed hence her reaction, but the 2 women are supposed to be professionals who know better.
I agree with you entirely DoM, it seems some here are only focusing on the video inside the cathedral, what about when they are leaving (don't have time to grow grab the link)? I don't feel there is any room for doubt that Letizia went after Sofia a second time as they were leaving, and that interaction was even more tense. And it isn't cool to involve your children in your personal drama. JMO
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