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Old 05-08-2017, 07:28 AM
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Cristina is morally guilty but she remains a sister and daughter. There is no need to mingle with his sister in public but in private, they will have to get along somehow. The parents are the Kings of Spain after all. I mentioned in another thread but once the Kings pass away (and they are both approaching 80), Cristina and Inaki will sit with Felipe and Elena in the front row and a lot of money/assets will have to be distributed and this has to happen in dignity.
Again, I don't think any Spaniard will object if Felipe is in contact on the basis of being siblings.
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Old 05-08-2017, 08:32 AM
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Felipe, Elena and Cristina are, above all, brothers, at times they have to be together and they will have to talk to solve private matters. When King Juan Carlos or Queen Sofia is ill they will have to talk. Even to solve other private matters they will have to get together to talk. All in all they are brothers and family, they could try to have a good relationship in their private life. But this is something we will never know how they go about it in private.
To remember that one day they will have to appear in public together, even if it is at the funerals of kings.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:24 PM
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This gossip is copied from a website that writes the same thing every week, when it is not Sofia, it is Elena, who is angry about the treatment given to Cristina. They need to create controversial gossip for people to read their website, and repeat the same story over and over again.

It is probably true that in this story Cristina has abused the goodwill that have always shown Sofia and Elena.
What evidence do you have that Cristina has abused the "goodwill" shown to her by Elena and Sofia?? We're talking about her mother and her sister, for goodness sake, not some strangers who deign to throw her a scrap of affection every once in awhile.

Talk about creating gossip...
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Cristina is morally guilty but she remains a sister and daughter. There is no need to mingle with his sister in public but in private, they will have to get along somehow. The parents are the Kings of Spain after all. I mentioned in another thread but once the Kings pass away (and they are both approaching 80), Cristina and Inaki will sit with Felipe and Elena in the front row and a lot of money/assets will have to be distributed and this has to happen in dignity.
Again, I don't think any Spaniard will object if Felipe is in contact on the basis of being siblings.
I agree. Let's face it. Not all families are perfect and sometimes there is one or more that might be a bit shady or even worse land in jail. But, they are family. While they might inwardly be annoyed that relative strayed for whatever reason, family will be required to "talk" at certain periods of their lives. This family's personal moral dilemma is to be played out in public for the rest of their lives. Plus one is the head of a country! Can it get any worse for him? He must walk a tight line when it comes to his brother-in-law plus not annoy his sister and his beloved nieces and nephews. In private, who knows. He might embrace his sister or just tolerate her. None of our business and we will probably never know. I believe all will run as smooth as possible as long as Sofia and JC live. After that it will be interesting.
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:02 PM
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Will Infanta Cristina attend the memorial Mass this evening at the Royal Chapel at the Palacio Real in Madrid for her late great aunt Infanta Alicia?

El tenso reencuentro entre la Infanta Cristina y los Reyes Felipe y Letizia que inquieta a la Casa Real - Bekia

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:21 AM
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video of funeral mass of infanta alicia
Vídeos: La Infanta Cristina en el Palacio Real tras cuatro años de ausencia

this is toxic ... you cannot show a rift within a family any better.
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Old 05-12-2017, 05:27 PM
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Disgraceful that they cannot put on a more united front in public Cristina's grin and Letizia's scowl not sure what is more annoying!
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:04 AM
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In all honesty, Felipe and Letizia's attitude and disposition did not change from when they entered the church. As for enmity, they both disrespected all of the Infantas and Felipe's parents.

http://www.therealmyroyals.com/wp-co...17/05/zzzz.jpg

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Christina's smile was a bit wavery and other photos of the service show a continued closeness between the Infantas. As for Christina's big smile? Well, she had just been welcomed by her father and mother and in her situation, that is probably a lot more than she expected in public.
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:20 AM
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There was NOTHING wrong. Outrageous conclusions are drawn from a video fragment. Come on!

There was a whole ceremony outside with the King's Life Guard, with mounted cavalry, music corps et al. The Bourbon-Deux Siciles were outside and there was a passage to greet all guests and witness the ceremonials.

Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía, just back from the festivities in Oslo, arrived when Mass was to start, so they were not yet greeted like the other guests. The Infantas already greeted Don Felipe and Doña Letizia outside so there was no repeat needed inside the chapel.
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Old 05-13-2017, 02:49 AM
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There was NOTHING wrong. Outrageous conclusions are drawn from a video fragment. Come on!

There was a whole ceremony outside with the King's Life Guard, with mounted cavalry, music corps et al. The Bourbon-Deux Siciles were outside and there was a passage to greet all guests and witness the ceremonials.

Don Juan Carlos and Doña Sofía, just back from the festivities in Oslo, arrived when Mass was to start, so they were not yet greeted like the other guests. The Infantas already greeted Don Felipe and Doña Letizia outside so there was no repeat needed inside the chapel.
While the first half of the participants did curtsy/head nod towards the new Kings, the other half did not (where the infantas were seated), meaning everyone in the first half was not present at the ceremony outside? I find this hard to believe.

Of course everyone has their own perspective but I found the body language super cold, if things were so relaxed outside why not give at least a sign of respect/eye contact inside with all the cameras present?

The SRF are media professionals they know exactly how things will look on camera, regardless of having met outside before it's no big deal to do a head nod when the Kings walk in because the official event starts.
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While the first half of the participants did curtsy/head nod towards the new Kings, the other half did not (where the infantas were seated), meaning everyone in the first half was not present at the ceremony outside? I find this hard to believe.

Of course everyone has their own perspective but I found the body language super cold, if things were so relaxed outside why not give at least a sign of respect/eye contact inside with all the cameras present?

The SRF are media professionals they know exactly how things will look on camera, regardless of having met outside before it's no big deal to do a head nod when the Kings walk in because the official event starts.
The second half which you described were kissing and hugging and comforting and greeting the Bourbon-Deux Siciles. The other half were attendants. It is like any funeral: the family and close friends kiss and greet each other. In the church then there are more attendants, not that close and probably they will be thanked afterward, probably not. Part of the congregation will have been invited for lunch, the rest is offered refreshment and leaves the scene to resume daily life. That will not be different at royal funerals.
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The second half which you described were kissing and hugging and comforting and greeting the Bourbon-Deux Siciles. The other half were attendants. It is like any funeral: the family and close friends kiss and greet each other. In the church then there are more attendants, not that close and probably they will be thanked afterward, probably not. Part of the congregation will have been invited for lunch, the rest is offered refreshment and leaves the scene to resume daily life. That will not be different at royal funerals.
Sorry this doesn't explain it for me but we can agree to disagree
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:52 AM
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So far I've not seen a single photo of the outside ceremony and my thoughts are solely based on the arrival at Mass ,which from the footage/photos was not particularly warm,queen Letizia did not at all look pleased to be there.Her mother in law is a far superior actress in public ,Letizia's scowl is most unpleasant as was those of Elena/Cristina and Pilar .
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It looked to me that they were all playing a part. Did not like the two sister and the aunt laughing and joking at funeral, especially when they knew full well that the world was watching their very actions. King and Queen looked extremely uncomfortable and probably talked in length with officials their proper public decorum. It was a public show on both side as is most all funerals except this one was broadcasted for world to critique. Both sides made their points and position quite clear to cameras. No matter how we think, it doesn't matter. One took county loyalty over family disappointment in public. The others chose naivety that all has been forgiven and forgotten forever. Absolutely no win either way. In private, none of my business.

I would love to hear the opinion of someone here on the forum how citizens of Spain felt. Did you feel annoyed by either or has the media once again felt it their recipe to stir the pot.
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King and Queen of Spain enter the chapel of the Royal Palace for a funeral mass, followed by the clergy and the organ sounds the national anthem of Spain. Their gesture must be solemn because that is what the moment demands, regardless of the situation. Their attitude is not very different at other funerals.

Although I think queen Letizia always is uncomfortable when she knows that an event is going to become an inappropriate media spectacle.

I think Juan Carlos and Sofia exaggerated the gestures towards Cristina at a time that was not appropriate. But that is not surprising, there is for several weeks a campaign of press that is close to them, to restore the image of Cristina. They stay in their world, thinking that the Spaniards are going to forget everything ... and that shows how far they are from the opinion of the citizens.
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The Infanta Doña Cristina was cleared from all charges against her. The Public Prosecutor even did not want to prosecute because they could not build a coherent case whih could stand a legal scrutiny.

When Spain is a nation under the rule of law, and Justice has been spoken, then the Infanta Doña Cristina deserves it to be rehabilitated and I am happy Don Juan Carlos acknowledged this. Justice is spoken in the name of the King. Justice has spoken. It is as simple as that.

Then about "smiling faces" during the service: the Infanta Doña Alicia died in March. It is May now. The grief and sadness for a nearly 100-years old lady will not have been too depressing the event.
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King and Queen of Spain enter the chapel of the Royal Palace for a funeral mass, followed by the clergy and the organ sounds the national anthem of Spain. Their gesture must be solemn because that is what the moment demands, regardless of the situation. Their attitude is not very different at other funerals.

Although I think queen Letizia always is uncomfortable when she knows that an event is going to become an inappropriate media spectacle.

I think Juan Carlos and Sofia exaggerated the gestures towards Cristina at a time that was not appropriate. But that is not surprising, there is for several weeks a campaign of press that is close to them, to restore the image of Cristina. They stay in their world, thinking that the Spaniards are going to forget everything ... and that shows how far they are from the opinion of the citizens.
It is irrelevant what Spaniards are going to remember. Infanta Christina is not a member of the royal family. Similar to Belgian royals, the Spanish royals tend to fail to rise to the occasion. It is entertaining to watch them.
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Justice has determined that Cristina is civilly responsible for profiting from money that her husband illegally earned.

She has not been sentenced to jail, but the judge has determined that she has a responsibility and therefore has to pay money.
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Justice has determined that Cristina is civilly responsible for profiting from money that her husband illegally earned.

She has not been sentenced to jail, but the judge has determined that she has a responsibility and therefore has to pay money.

Which is much ado about nothing in the end. Cristina paid the fine, and more, years ago. The idea that what was clearly a show trial right from the start was allowed to proceed still amazes me, (and one has to wonder how much taxpayer money was wasted on it). My understanding from recent articles is that the Prosecutor's office - the same people who want to increase Inaki Urdangarin's sentence - also want the Supreme Court to clarify that Cristina de Borbon should never have been brought to trial.

Juan Carlos and Sofia didn't exaggerate anything. They were happy to see their daughter and showed it publicly. No doubt it bothers some that it's not Cristina who doesn't seem to fit in, after all.
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Hopefully the next generation of Spanish Bourbons will make a better job of acting like a united royal family in public and family rifts and scowling faces will become a distant memory.
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