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Old 10-27-2018, 03:35 AM
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Jaime Penafiel's latest guess on the future of the monarchy
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:01 AM
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Jaime Penafiel's latest guess on the future of the monarchy
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Thanks.

One question and one remark.

The question is: How serious is he?

Remark: Being a declared republican, I'm not surprised he tries to present as strong a case for the monarchy ending as possible.
Had he been a declared monarchist the headline would no doubt be different.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:13 AM
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Interestingly, he states that the abdication was 'organized/stimulated' by Sofia, Felipe and Letizia. As Peñafiel seems quite in favor of Juan Carlos and not impressed by Felipe, I wonder whether it isn't his imagination.
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Old 10-27-2018, 05:46 AM
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Jaime Penafiel becomes ridiculous. He does not like the current kings of Spain, and mainly hates Letizia. It was so close to the royal family and now it says these things ... sad.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:08 AM
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Peñafiel is and has always been an opportunist eager for prominence ... first he praises Franco and when he died he profited with the photos of his agony, he praises Juan Carlos because he is as old-fashioned and mail chauvinist as he is, and criticizes Sofia whenever he can because she did not treat him with the importance that he believed he should receive. He was successful decades ago, the time he worked with Hola ... and he was a totally forgotten character until his hatred and constant criticism of Letizia made him the protagonist of the gossip and yellow press.

He is a supposed royalty specialist, when most things he says are absurd and outdated, but it is his way of making money and continuing to maintain some prominence in the press.
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:10 AM
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He has been very nasty towards Letizia publicly ,the fact that he heaps praise Juan Carlos speaks volumes!
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Old 10-27-2018, 06:19 AM
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Today he praises Juan Carlos and tomorrow he will criticize him ... he can say one thing and all the contrary in order to create controversy and let people talk about him.
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Old 10-27-2018, 08:26 AM
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He knows more inside than we all do. I too think the monarchy will not last in Spain.
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Old 10-27-2018, 09:01 AM
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He knows more inside than we all do. I too think the monarchy will not last in Spain.
The Spanish and Belgian monarchy will last longer than the monarchies of Sweden or the Netherlands. Exactly because Spain and Belgium have complicated state structures, any change will have consequences for the core existence and unity of the state itself. In Sweden or the Netherlands, both rich, efficient, smoothly run unitary states with a strong central government, a toppling of the Bernadottes or the Orange-Nassaus will not threat the very existence of these states. I do not have the slightest worry for the Borbóns in Spain or the Sachsen-Coburgs in Belgium.
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Old 10-27-2018, 09:07 AM
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It is true. What unites Spain is the monarchy. With several provinces of Spain claiming their independence (as is the case of Catalonia), if monarchy were abolished, Spain would end as a country ....
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:33 AM
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He has been very nasty towards Letizia publicly ,the fact that he heaps praise Juan Carlos speaks volumes!
He knows no more than anyone else. He does not have a crystal ball to look into the future. He has the right to his opinion but reading many of his remarks over the years, I truly believe a bit of deep jealousy is in his soul re the Spanish Royals. Shame.
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:06 AM
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The Spanish and Belgian monarchy will last longer than the monarchies of Sweden or the Netherlands. Exactly because Spain and Belgium have complicated state structures, any change will have consequences for the core existence and unity of the state itself. In Sweden or the Netherlands, both rich, efficient, smoothly run unitary states with a strong central government, a toppling of the Bernadottes or the Orange-Nassaus will not threat the very existence of these states. I do not have the slightest worry for the Borbóns in Spain or the Sachsen-Coburgs in Belgium.
Agree to disagree.
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:03 PM
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He knows no more than anyone else. He does not have a crystal ball to look into the future. He has the right to his opinion but reading many of his remarks over the years, I truly believe a bit of deep jealousy is in his soul re the Spanish Royals. Shame.
He's looking for attention a bit like Letizia's less than delightful aunt Henar who is constantly tweeting anti monarchist bile.
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Old 10-27-2018, 01:44 PM
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Agree to disagree.
And your arguments are....?

An end to the monarchy in Sweden or the Netherlands is a system reset. An end to the monarchy in Spain and Belgium is a system destruction. Simply because the route to get rid of the monarchy is also the chance for separatists to get rid of the hated central state. Exactly this threat to the core existence of states, is a blessing for the monarchies there.

Now I am interested in your arguments why you think that a throne in Spain is less secure than in other monarchies?
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Old 10-27-2018, 02:20 PM
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And your arguments are....?

An end to the monarchy in Sweden or the Netherlands is a system reset. An end to the monarchy in Spain and Belgium is a system destruction. Simply because the route to get rid of the monarchy is also the chance for separatists to get rid of the hated central state. Exactly this threat to the core existence of states, is a blessing for the monarchies there.

Now I am interested in your arguments why you think that a throne in Spain is less secure than in other monarchies?
I try to give my reasons in the past in these forums and you guys are extremely bias. So Agree to disagree.
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Old 10-27-2018, 02:42 PM
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I think that all monarchies are deeply rooted in their countries and still have a long life ahead of them.

Spain: The government does not want the end of the monarchy in Spain because it knows that this would be the beginning of the end of Spain as we know it. It would be very difficult to continue the state itself if that happens. The various states that make up Spain would break up forever.

Denmark: The Danish monarchy is one of the most popular and safest in Europe and has everything to have a long life ahead. The royal family is also very popular and loved by the Danes.

Sweden: Another very popular monarchy. Victoria, the Crown Princess, is also very popular just like the Kings. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

Norway: It is one of the safest and most popular monarchies in Europe. The King is very popular and the Heir Princes are not as popular as the king but people like them.

Belgium: Live the same situation as the Spanish monarchy. If the monarchy ends, Belgium itself will disappear as we know it.

Holland: It is one of the most popular monarchies in Europe and the Kings are very popular and loved by the Dutch. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

United Kingdom: It is perhaps the most popular monarchy in Europe. This monarchy will hardly be abolished in the coming decades.

Luxembourg: This monarchy is very popular and the population is very fond of the Grand Ducal Family. Last year a petition was made to refer to the monarchy but that petition failed.

Monaco and Liechtenstein: There are virtually no Republican movements in these countries.
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Old 10-27-2018, 04:00 PM
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I think that all monarchies are deeply rooted in their countries and still have a long life ahead of them.

Spain: The government does not want the end of the monarchy in Spain because it knows that this would be the beginning of the end of Spain as we know it. It would be very difficult to continue the state itself if that happens. The various states that make up Spain would break up forever.

Denmark: The Danish monarchy is one of the most popular and safest in Europe and has everything to have a long life ahead. The royal family is also very popular and loved by the Danes.

Sweden: Another very popular monarchy. Victoria, the Crown Princess, is also very popular just like the Kings. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

Norway: It is one of the safest and most popular monarchies in Europe. The King is very popular and the Heir Princes are not as popular as the king but people like them.

Belgium: Live the same situation as the Spanish monarchy. If the monarchy ends, Belgium itself will disappear as we know it.

Holland: It is one of the most popular monarchies in Europe and the Kings are very popular and loved by the Dutch. It has everything to have a long life ahead of this monarchy.

United Kingdom: It is perhaps the most popular monarchy in Europe. This monarchy will hardly be abolished in the coming decades.

Luxembourg: This monarchy is very popular and the population is very fond of the Grand Ducal Family. Last year a petition was made to refer to the monarchy but that petition failed.

Monaco and Liechtenstein: There are virtually no Republican movements in these countries.
Still don’t know about Spain and the UK(in like 50 years).
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BREAKING

Popular consultations on the monarchy in more than twenty Spanish universities

Hundreds of people have participated until Thursday at noon in the symbolic referendum on the monarchy that takes place this Thursday at the Autonomous University of Madrid (UAM) organized by a student assembly, an initiative that will be replicated in other 25 Spanish universities until the February, and that follows the wake of popular votes held recently in Madrid neighborhoods like Vallecas or Vicálvaro.

Some 70 people, including teachers, have set up polling stations in the nine faculties of the Madrid university, most of them located on the campus of Cantoblanco, north of the capital, from 10 am. Up to 20 hours on this Thursday will be able to vote students, professors and workers of the UAM.

"Are you in favor of abolishing the Monarchy as a form of State and establishing a Republic?" And "If yes, are you in favor of opening constituent processes to decide what kind of Republic?" These are the two questions that can be answered with a 'yes' or a 'no' in the consultation that is exceeding the expectations of the organizers.

"As we are the first university that organized it, we did not know how the people would respond, but we are very surprised", explains Paula, a student of Sciences and Languages ​​of Antiquity, at the table of the School of Philosophy and Letters where students flocked about 11 hours taking advantage of the rest between class and class.

In the attached faculty, that of the Magisterium, the organizers have met people waiting before 10 am to vote. "My teacher has started the class saying that today was a great day," says Olivia, who participates in the assembly that organizes the consultation to claim "to be able to decide on the State form".

"I think it's a very good initiative for students to organize themselves and for the University to become a center of reflection for society," says Marta, a professor at the Faculty of Economic Sciences, after depositing her ballot in the ballot box. He does so after a colleague who questions the organizers about the guarantees of the consultation. "I voted to say that I am against those who organize these things, it is immoral and they are against democratic systems," he explained.

At the table, on the other side of the urn, another teacher carries the account of participants, a hundred in the first hour. "It is the first step to reform the Constitution and abolish the monarchy to constitute a confederal republic," says Xosé, who teaches the subject of Economic Structure of Spain in the European Union. He is accompanied by David, a student who marks a cross with a marker in his hand to each participant in the voting.

"We can not ask for the DNI, this is a symbolic act. We trust in the good faith of the people and that they will not vote twice, "he explains. After the closing of the polls, the persons in charge of each table will meet at 21.00 hours in the Faculty of Sciences to do the scrutiny. "The polls are filling, good!" Exclaims a worker raising his thumb as he passes one of the tables.

https://www.republica.com/2018/11/29...dad-autonoma/#

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University students tend to be republican.

Because if you think rationally at the monarchy as an institution, it's an anachronism, anti-democratic and anti-egalitarian and seemingly doesn't serve a purpose that cannot logically be replaced by something else.

But monarchy cannot be viewed in a strictly logic context.

Because you can say the same thing about religion and the national state. - And how many are willing to abandon that?
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University students tend to be republican.

Because if you think rationally at the monarchy as an institution, it's an anachronism, anti-democratic and anti-egalitarian and seemingly doesn't serve a purpose that cannot logically be replaced by something else.

But monarchy cannot be viewed in a strictly logic context.

Because you can say the same thing about religion and the national state. - And how many are willing to abandon that?

I realize that. In Denmark most students look at the monarchy?

The monarchy has to be seen as something that should unite a country and as a way of preserving its traditions and customs. It should not be seen as a form of disunity.
Despite this some Spanish students are in favor of the monarchy for what I have seen on the internet.
The Kings of Spain must from now on be closer to the youth and the students so that they perceive the value of the monarchy.
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