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10-06-2013, 08:22 PM
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What the Independent does is translate the general blur of the crisis as 'triumphal' for Republicanism. It is misleading to read it this way -but not much different than what one would expect from such an openly-republican newspaper..
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The Vanity Fair article is rather odd. They conclude that Felipe and Letizia are not corrupt because they are ambitious. A very strange argumentation IMO.So if they would not be ambitious they would be corrupt? People are corrupt by nature, and only ambition will prevent them from being so? A rather cynical view. Odd how they try to turn around something normal (not being corrupt) to something negative. And not very subtle either...
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10-07-2013, 10:35 AM
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I think something may have got lost in translation, Marengo. IMO, Laurence Debray was trying to say F&L set themselves apart from the rest of the SRF by their ambition and hard work. And also that Felipe isn't like his father and isn't trying to be. I believe "they have money" part was attributed to the whole SRF in general but the Princes of Asturias.
And to be honest, I wouldn't expect Vanity Fair to be cynical or republican. Afterall, it is earning its money through glamour and, although it has been rather muted lately, the Royal Family is part of that world.
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10-11-2013, 01:10 PM
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Prince Felipe battles to revive Spanish royal image:
Prince Felipe battles to revive Spanish royal image
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10-26-2013, 03:41 PM
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This is all so sad, and bad for constitutional monarchism anywhere.
He should abdicate and let the very capable and much more loved Prince of Asturias take the reins. Otherwise I fear the Spanish monarchy will come to an end pretty soon.
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10-26-2013, 10:01 PM
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How does abolishing a monarchy work? How would Spain's government go about getting rid of the monarchy? I know that if the monarchy is dismantled it's going to be a lengthy process, but how is it done?
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10-27-2013, 02:13 PM
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The abolishment of the monarchy would be a complex process involving the political parties & public but its basically irrelevant - both political parties in Spain support the monarchy, therefore there will be no abolishment. The political system has lived well over the decades with the monarchy and they have no desire to change it.
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Not exactly news the King would want to hear on his birthday!
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01-06-2014, 10:24 AM
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It says that overall the support for the Spanish monarchy has decreased below 50%, but doesn't mention what it is exactly -or what the percentage of the abolitioners..
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01-06-2014, 01:59 PM
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It says that overall the support for the Spanish monarchy has decreased below 50%, but doesn't mention what it is exactly -or what the percentage of the abolitioners..
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If the survey says that 2/3 of the Spaniards support Felipe, want the King to abdicate etc it usually refers to those who are in support of the monarchy = less than 50% and thereof 2/3.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Spaniards.html
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01-06-2014, 05:20 PM
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Very worrying news for the King who up until the last few years enjoyed widespread popularity,had some posted this 5 years ago we'd have all laughed!
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01-06-2014, 06:58 PM
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No Duke, the questions are the same for all respondents. Those who are not supporters of the monarchy, also respond on the popularity of Prince or abdication.
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01-06-2014, 09:42 PM
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I'm surprised it's only two thirds who wish to see the king step aside. 
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01-07-2014, 03:56 AM
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Did they ask the respondents why they think the king should abdicate? Queen Beatrix usually also had high scores in simular polls, but most respondents added that they wanted an abdication so she could enjoy retirement.
Although the king showed some wrong judgement, the opinion has changed rather quickly (from 80% in favour to 2/3 wanting him to abdicate -within two years!). And for what exactly? Does shooting an elephant and cheating on his wife (as many spouses do) erase his achievements?
In any case, the monarchy is the least of Spain's problems. Their prime minister is corrupt and yet he is allowed to stay. Perhaps he should give Inaki some tips.
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01-07-2014, 04:49 AM
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Did they ask the respondants why they think the king should abdicate? Queen Beatrix usually also had high scores in simular polls, but most respondants added that they wanted an abdication so she could enjoy retirement.
Although the king showed some wrong judgement, the opinion has changed rather quickly (from 80% in favour to 2/3 wanting him to abdicate -within two years!). And for what exactly? Does shooting an elephant and cheating on his wife (as many spouses do) erase his achievements?
In any case, the monarchy is the least of Spain's problems. Their prime minister is corrupt and yet he is allowed to stay. Perhaps he should give Inaki some tips.
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People are fed up with the system. Having said that, I don't think you'll find a politician in Spain very high up the ladder and NOT be corrupt or have protection that is corrupt.
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01-07-2014, 05:49 AM
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In DK ~40% would want the Queen to abdicate and make place for the younger generation although the Queen and the monarchy are very popular.
So what does the result of this poll actually mean?
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01-07-2014, 06:16 AM
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Looks like 2014 could be cataclysmic for the Spanish Royal Family!
2012 & 2013 were bad but this year has already started off very badly for the King.
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01-07-2014, 08:39 AM
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01-07-2014, 08:58 AM
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In DK ~40% would want the Queen to abdicate and make place for the younger generation although the Queen and the monarchy are very popular.
So what does the result of this poll actually mean?
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I think it means a lot more - unlike Denmark, where they'd merely like Margrethe to abdicate, I believe in Spain they might start demanding it. Especially now that Cristina faces charges.
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