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07-17-2022, 11:17 AM
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Princess Charlotte, Duchess of Valentinois and Count Pierre de Polignac - 1920
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07-17-2022, 11:47 AM
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Princess Caroline's resemblance to her grandmother is simply stunning! 
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07-17-2022, 11:47 AM
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Pierre descended from the French noble House of Polignac who dated back to the 12th century.
Following the marriage he was made a Monegasque Prince and styled Duke of Valentinois,however the unhappy marriage ended in divorce in 1933.
It was rumoured that Pierre was homosexual.
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07-17-2022, 03:57 PM
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Pierre descended from the French noble House of Polignac who dated back to the 12th century.
Following the marriage he was made a Monegasque Prince and styled Duke of Valentinois,however the unhappy marriage ended in divorce in 1933.
It was rumoured that Pierre was homosexual.
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At least it secured the succession with heirs and considering that Charlotte was illegitimate and was simply “adopted” to take the throne given France’s insistence on preventing the Dukes of Urach from taking the throne (even though they were born in France), it was a “good match” in the traditional sense.
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07-17-2022, 04:10 PM
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And in the end Charlotte was bypassed for her son Rainier III.
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07-17-2022, 04:15 PM
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And in the end Charlotte was bypassed for her son Rainier III.
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Well, she got to live a comfortable life in Paris and still rich so I’m not sure it would be a big blow.
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07-17-2022, 04:32 PM
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Well, she got to live a comfortable life in Paris and still rich so I’m not sure it would be a big blow.
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And a divorced Head of State might not have gone down too well with the then conservative Roman Catholic principality!
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07-17-2022, 06:06 PM
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And a divorced Head of State might not have gone down too well with the then conservative Roman Catholic principality!
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With the way the Grimaldis of the current generation live today as well as during Charlotte and Rainier’s time is it a shock the way the family behaved.
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07-18-2022, 06:31 AM
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At least it secured the succession with heirs and considering that Charlotte was illegitimate and was simply “adopted” to take the throne given France’s insistence on preventing the Dukes of Urach from taking the throne (even though they were born in France), it was a “good match” in the traditional sense.
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Duke Wilhelm of Urach, the eldest son of Princess Florestine of Monaco, was actually born and raised in Monaco, but unfortunately (from the French point of view) he was paternally a German national.
Charlotte was legally adopted, in spite of the fact that the adoption was in contravention of the age requirements in the Civil Code.
https://www.heraldica.org/topics/national/monaco.htm
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07-18-2022, 07:14 AM
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Well, she got to live a comfortable life in Paris and still rich so I’m not sure it would be a big blow.
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Plus, she had quite an eccentric life and had some «dangerous liasons», namely with a famous jewel thief...  
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07-18-2022, 08:08 AM
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Yes and I was about to mention the infamous thief. I’m sure she had affairs in her marriage too. Pierre certainly did.
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Duke Wilhelm of Urach, the eldest son of Princess Florestine of Monaco, was actually born and raised in Monaco, but unfortunately (from the French point of view) he was paternally a German national.
Charlotte was legally adopted, in spite of the fact that the adoption was in contravention of the age requirements in the Civil Code.
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My point was that France knew all of that but meddled (as always) because they still considered him German even though he was born in Monaco and altered the succession because of their personal issues.
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07-18-2022, 08:56 AM
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Yes and I was about to mention the infamous thief. I’m sure she had affairs in her marriage too. Pierre certainly did.
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All in all, i think we may assume that she must have had great fun in her life!!!
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07-18-2022, 09:32 AM
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The strangest thing is how she largely inspired To Catch A Thief... which is how Grace met Rainier.
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07-18-2022, 10:52 AM
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Not only does Caroline resemble her grandmother, the top part of her weddingdress in 1983 to Stefano does too.
Didn’t Charlotte step aside in favour or was it someone else’s decision?
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07-18-2022, 10:58 AM
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Didn’t Charlotte step aside in favour or was it someone else’s decision?
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see post number 5 
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07-18-2022, 06:17 PM
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She certainly had fun and the money made it even it better and I wonder what jewels she lost
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07-18-2022, 06:49 PM
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Didn’t Charlotte step aside in favour or was it someone else’s decision?
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Yes, she stepped aside in favor of her son.
https://www.heraldica.org/topics/nat...aco.htm#crisis
"By a declaration of May 30, 1944 in Paris, Charlotte ceded her rights to Rainier (with a reservation if he should predecease), and Rainier accepted in Paris on June 1. An ordinance of June 2 1944 acknowledged and confirmed the Prince's assent to those declarations, and Rainier was made Hereditary Prince. When to the Journal de Monaco published the ordinance on 22 June 1944, it added: "His Excellency the comte de Maleville, minister of Monaco in France, has been asked to inform the French government of this event, pursuant to the clauses of the treaty of 17 July 1918." "
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07-19-2022, 08:45 AM
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I was wondering too if there were any other suitors prior to Pierre for the hand of Princess Charlotte of Monaco?
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